Hence the need for the Bose system.
Ron, you just knew I was gonna say that, didn't ya?
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Ron, you just knew I was gonna say that, didn't ya?
How many have set-up there Bose to prefection with out Cap's help.....
That's something i'm curious about
That's something i'm curious about
never could understand why some DJ's advertise their equipment brand and model numbers. some even have pictures straight from the company website.
the only way an audience would really know the difference
is if they hire TWO dj's with two separate systems
and they can hear the difference in the same hall, on the same night.
of course, if the system is really crappy
it wouldnt take a knowledeable person
to realize they are listening to crap
the only way an audience would really know the difference
is if they hire TWO dj's with two separate systems
and they can hear the difference in the same hall, on the same night.
of course, if the system is really crappy
it wouldnt take a knowledeable person
to realize they are listening to crap
Exactly. How many brides do you really think know (or care about) the difference between B-52 and Bose? Unless you're writing your advertising to tell other DJs how great you are, you're missing your target market...
George
Welcome to ODJT. have to disagree that clients dont have a clue about Bose. It honestly wouldnt matter what speakers you use in most cases but if you glue a bose emblem on them the client and guests will ooh and aah. Cause Bose has targeted most markets for you. That being said I dont sell a brand to my client as most would say Bosch? Dynacord? EV? hmm I sell them on the aesthetics and clean comfortable pleasant experience and the minimal footprint required for my sound system
which will allow enjoyment from the kids to Grandparents and all in between. This of course when asked if I play my music loud. Or something asked in regards to my system.
Welcome to ODJT. have to disagree that clients dont have a clue about Bose. It honestly wouldnt matter what speakers you use in most cases but if you glue a bose emblem on them the client and guests will ooh and aah. Cause Bose has targeted most markets for you. That being said I dont sell a brand to my client as most would say Bosch? Dynacord? EV? hmm I sell them on the aesthetics and clean comfortable pleasant experience and the minimal footprint required for my sound system
which will allow enjoyment from the kids to Grandparents and all in between. This of course when asked if I play my music loud. Or something asked in regards to my system.
Welcome to ODJT. have to disagree that clients dont have a clue about Bose. It honestly wouldnt matter what speakers you use in most cases but if you glue a bose emblem on them the client and guests will ooh and aah. Cause Bose has targeted most markets for you. That being said I dont sell a brand to my client as most would say Bosch? Dynacord? EV? hmm I sell them on the aesthetics and clean comfortable pleasant experience and the minimal footprint required for my sound system
Well, what you say may be true for Bose specifically, but that's about the only brand that's going to be familiar to most consumers, and even then, I'm not sure that's a good thing. Customers aren't always the brightest, they may think you're bringing some little Bose cubes to their job!
And, of course, there are always the exceptions...That said, I think we're on the same page that you have to put what your selling in terms that the customer can relate to. It may be clean setup, clear sound, or whatever works for the particular customer, but it usually isn't "I'm going to bring a 3 kw Turbosound system to your wedding."
I only mentioned this scenario having used a Bose stick a time or two for small venues or small work space. It was all that and a bag of chips and the audience made many comments and admired the Bose emblem. I dont even care if DJs agree with my recent purchase of the Dynacord system. My clients like what it does regardless of the name and it was selected for more than one benefit. Calculated decision and system upgrade.
Well, I for one, certainly don't disagree with your purchase of a Dynacord. I very nearly bought a system myself because they sound absolutely fantastic. My very first DJ system was based around a pair of EV S-152 speakers (which I still have, and which still sound great) and I really fell in love with EV based on those speakers. Unfortunately, I subsequently owned a pair of SX 500s which were awful and actually caused me to move to Turbosound. Now I love my Turbosounds and IMHO they blow away any of your run of the mill DJ speakers (e.g. JBL, Mackie, Yamaha, etc.) but the Dynacords are better still...
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem having an audio system that might qualify as overkill, I just think that it's a difficult upsell to the uninformed...
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem having an audio system that might qualify as overkill, I just think that it's a difficult upsell to the uninformed...
Brand recognition would be a desired outcome, but ultimately I want the client to remember MY name.
and so I purchased it to improve in every area. A smile on ones face goes a long way but we dont need to charge extra for it. There are simple and subtle ways to stand out from your competition and with the major influx of want to be DJ's its a must.
I didn't mean any offense by that comment, only that JBLs are a common choice among DJs. It could just be my perception, but I know that JBL is about the only thing my local Guitar Center sells anymore (with the exception of B-52s), and that's run of the mill to me...
On a related note though (and this is way OT), I've never met a pair of JBLs that I liked. That goes equally from your standard 15" two ways to the big a** custom installs (e.g. Crowbar, NYC)...
Compared to Turbosound, JBL mind as well be Pyle or Gem Sound.
I have a JBL system and it makes me sick when I have to use it, unfortunally that is tonight I have to be 2 places at once. My assistant will tear down system JBL while I go to the Bar where I have my Turbo Steup.
Well, this duck's feathers were ruffled by that comment. I've always used JBLs and in college, the station had a large B-52 setup. The sound quality has always been wonderful; then again, we're talking about passive systems where the signal is processed for a super clean sound even before it reaches the speakers.
The only problems I've ever seen with JBL speakers were with a pair of powered ones that my dad used to have. (He learned that lesson soon enough.) Then again, I've seen the same failure in other powered speakers of differing brands, so I guess I shouldn't really get into that.
I suppose that I could live with being a "run of the mill" DJ, but in my area, there is no "run of the mill." There's different tiers of DJs here: stuffy ones, fun ones, and tacky ones. And in pricing, there's $1000+, $400-600, and dirt cheap. We all use different brands of equipment.
I'm stepping off the soapbox to take a chill pill....
The only problems I've ever seen with JBL speakers were with a pair of powered ones that my dad used to have. (He learned that lesson soon enough.) Then again, I've seen the same failure in other powered speakers of differing brands, so I guess I shouldn't really get into that.
I suppose that I could live with being a "run of the mill" DJ, but in my area, there is no "run of the mill." There's different tiers of DJs here: stuffy ones, fun ones, and tacky ones. And in pricing, there's $1000+, $400-600, and dirt cheap. We all use different brands of equipment.
I'm stepping off the soapbox to take a chill pill....
Well, I guess this thread is a good place to ask this question.
I've always been weary of buying powered speakers for the simple fact that any set I've ever seen can't thump like a passive set can. Now, at some point in the relatively near future (a few years) Ducky and I will be purchasing new speakers with the intent of being able to do high school and college gigs. I've heard a pair of Cerwin-Vega folded horns from the late 80's and the bass hits were amazing.
So my question is, when talking about delivering the volume and especially the bass, can speakers like a Dynacord, Bose, etc deliver better than a properly setup passive folded horn?
I've always been weary of buying powered speakers for the simple fact that any set I've ever seen can't thump like a passive set can. Now, at some point in the relatively near future (a few years) Ducky and I will be purchasing new speakers with the intent of being able to do high school and college gigs. I've heard a pair of Cerwin-Vega folded horns from the late 80's and the bass hits were amazing.
So my question is, when talking about delivering the volume and especially the bass, can speakers like a Dynacord, Bose, etc deliver better than a properly setup passive folded horn?
Well, for high school and collage gigs I wouldn't be using powered speakers.
Every speaker manufacture makes at least a few different lines of speakers. If not many. In my experience for the size of the larger events I have done dual 15" tops and dual 18" subs have been more than enough power.
I'm not a big fan of folder horn. They are bigger than a dual 18 and most of the time their spl output is considerably less.
If I were to buy a school system today I would be looking at EV.
Your question:
Can speakers like a Dynacord, Bose, etc deliver better than a properly setup passive folded horn?
Dynacord has setups that will fill stadiums. I'm sure a dynacord 18" sub would outperform any single 18" folded horn cervin vega.
Bose, definatly not the right application.
Every speaker manufacture makes at least a few different lines of speakers. If not many. In my experience for the size of the larger events I have done dual 15" tops and dual 18" subs have been more than enough power.
I'm not a big fan of folder horn. They are bigger than a dual 18 and most of the time their spl output is considerably less.
If I were to buy a school system today I would be looking at EV.
Your question:
Can speakers like a Dynacord, Bose, etc deliver better than a properly setup passive folded horn?
Dynacord has setups that will fill stadiums. I'm sure a dynacord 18" sub would outperform any single 18" folded horn cervin vega.
Bose, definatly not the right application.
I wouldn't use my BOSE at a school dance, I wouldn't use the Dyna Cord, from what I've seen, depending on the size of the gig. Small middle school 200 , 300 kids, maybe.
A big school in a big gym with 500 plus kids, needs big stuff.
And I personally would never offer the option of "bigger" sound for any event. I always bring what ever that event needs. Here's why..
You have a Bride that has 400 people, your "normal" system is good for 200 people, but your "wiz-bang fancy" upgraded sound system is the one they need for 400 people. BUT the B&G are of course on a budget and they don't want to pay for the upgraded sound.
So there you are, at a party with less sound than you know you need, or you bring in the big sound anyway and tell them you are "throwing it in" in the hopes they will tip you for being nice.....
Just do the job right and quit trying to squeeze or screw the client.
A big school in a big gym with 500 plus kids, needs big stuff.
And I personally would never offer the option of "bigger" sound for any event. I always bring what ever that event needs. Here's why..
You have a Bride that has 400 people, your "normal" system is good for 200 people, but your "wiz-bang fancy" upgraded sound system is the one they need for 400 people. BUT the B&G are of course on a budget and they don't want to pay for the upgraded sound.
So there you are, at a party with less sound than you know you need, or you bring in the big sound anyway and tell them you are "throwing it in" in the hopes they will tip you for being nice.....
Just do the job right and quit trying to squeeze or screw the client.
I run all passive stuff and I'm a big believer in it. Like you, I've rarely heard a powered system that is comparable to a good passive system. Plus, it really doesn't make things that much more convenient, if at all (instead of speaker cables, you've got XLRs and power cables). However, the exception to that, at least performance wise, is probably a Dynacord system. The downside is that Dynacord is very expensive (and they're not necessarily all self-powered systems). I'm not saying that they're not worth the money, but they might not be the best bang for your buck.
As far as Bose is concerned, they're good speakers, but they're not going to get you a ton of low end no matter what you do. Bose depends heavily on processing to get a lot of punch into a small package, but there are times (especially school gyms, etc.) where that is going to fall apart.
The thing with speakers, and especially subs, is that you're always looking at tradeoffs. For example, a folded horn, which if memory serves, is a fourth order bandpass enclosure, is going to sound great (and very loud) on certain songs and in certain environments but that performance will deteriorate under other conditions and do so quickly. With a direct radiating bandpass box, you're probably going to get more even performance, but with a decrease in max output. And so on and so forth.
My advice would be to really do your research. Listen to as many speakers as you can, and if possible, listen to the same speakers in different environments. Your ears might prefer something totally different than what everyone else says sounds great. I know powered speakers are really gaining steam, even in concert level systems, but I do think you are paying a premium for a convenience factor which may or may not really be there while at the same time you're losing control and flexibility.
Bring the D Lite system and rock most School gigs proper but totally over the top bring out the Cobra system. Even Val was impressed.