You can blame the ownership and management then - not the music. For a business that caters to the public, you really can't stop some people from coming in but not others. This would be considered illegal.
Guitar Center may be in trouble
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I blamed what I know. It's two things I know that cause problems for a place. The music the DJ plays attracts a certain crowd. So when a place allows a DJ to play that kind of music all night that will attract a bunch of young ones coming in the place. An older crowd of people for the most part don't want to hear that all night.
I find that when it's a mixture of music throughout the night, that's what works best around here. The other thing is who the owner will allow to come in the place. Some don't care who comes in the place. All they see is them making plenty of money. One important thing is a dress code. Some places don't care how you look coming in the place. Just keep the money rolling. When all hell is breaking loose in the place, most will blame the DJ.
This is an interesting topic. Probably doesn't belong in this thread, but interesting.[emoji1] Never worked in a club or bar, but I can imagine it would be thankless work. Unless the club and/or DJ was known for a certain style of music, and had a following of clientele who supported that, trying to please EVERYONE who walks in off the street is darn near impossible. People who are drinking are often not gonna be the most tolerant if the music is not to their liking. When things get rowdy, I can see the DJ getting the blame.[emoji4]
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I can see them getting the blame also - from the owner, but I can't see another DJ blaming it on the music - because they should know better.
Actually, you blame this on music that YOU don't like. Music isn't the problem just because YOU don't like it.
Again sir I'm talking about what I have seen happen. Now some places are strict on how a place is being run and others it's a free for all. Just as long as you have money to spend they don't care. Until it's too late and all hell is breaking loose.
When the Private Place Lounge was open they had certain things that they wouldn't allow in the place. The DJ who played there on Saturday nights named Craig could not play that stuff all night long. He was allowed to play it in the beginning. At a certain time he had to switch the music up. The people running the place knew what they were doing. They didn't want the place turning into a hot mess like the place across the street. The police had to be outside when it was time to close over there to try to keep things peaceful. They didn't even bother with the Private Place Lounge.
I remember one night I was in there playing and a female came in wearing a white shirt. One of the guys working there named Mark told her she had to change and then she could come in. She went to the car and put on something else so she could come in. They had a certain way they ran things and it worked great! Every now and then you might have someone trying to start a fight for whatever reason. It would be quickly dealt with and things back to normal.
What they did was have different things going on at different days as to keep a nice mixture coming in the place. On Saturday nights they did things that way to keep the drama for your mama's out and have a nice mixture in the place of young and old. Some in between.
I get that in order to keep the doors to a place open, the place must make enough money to pay their bills. Just that some places will chase after any money instead of smart money. I'm talking about having a crowd come in that eventually won't turn the place into a zoo and the police repeatedly have to show up because of more drama.
So, she was wearing white so she couldn't enter? Is that a gang color? Or was it after Labor Day?
And you keep referring to this lounge like it is what other businesses should model themselves after. I mean, the owner only allowed what would bring in the right people. Didn't the lounge close? Maybe they chose the wrong people.
And Guitar Center isn't a bar trying to keep bar fights out because of music choice.....or at least not the one here.
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And you keep referring to this lounge like it is what other businesses should model themselves after. I mean, the owner only allowed what would bring in the right people. Didn't the lounge close? Maybe they chose the wrong people.
And Guitar Center isn't a bar trying to keep bar fights out because of music choice.....or at least not the one here.
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No - what you're talking about is your hypothesis of what happened. There is a difference between your theory and reality. Unless you lived it day by day and were involved in the business side of the house, then you truly have no idea.
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In the Oranges, there are bad people everywhere - even Guitar Center. Maybe they need some more Orange groves - that makes people happy.
first what the owner didn't want along with the managers people coming in like that lady did. It can be gang related. She didn't want to see people coming in there with white tees and Tims on. That element usually will bring in a crowd that you don't want in the place because eventually those people like to start trouble. People fighting in the place tearing things up.
I found out from the manager the reasons she shut the place down. The place needed repairs. The people she got to fix the plumbing didn't do a good job. Other things needed to be repaired and the barber shop next door didn't pay their rent on time. She had 2 jobs besides the lounge and she just got tired of running the place.
One of the best things I loved about the place besides never having to worry about getting paid all your money is this. Very rarely was there an incident in the place that someone had to be put out. Occasionally it happened but only once in a blue moon.
Mix, your area must be in it's own special zip code. It seems that all the odd stuff you always discuss happens no where else.
Maybe if you (and it's been suggested MANY times) concentrated your efforts in a different area you would reap better benefits and events and less of all this friggin' drama you always discuss.
It seems 99% of your posts are all about the problems and drama. It's getting a bit tiresome. As always, sorry to be as tad negative....
Maybe if you (and it's been suggested MANY times) concentrated your efforts in a different area you would reap better benefits and events and less of all this friggin' drama you always discuss.
It seems 99% of your posts are all about the problems and drama. It's getting a bit tiresome. As always, sorry to be as tad negative....
Again it's all about how a place is being run. My partner was telling me about playing in a place in New Brunswick and they wanted nothing but Hip Hop and R & B. I wasn't there. He told me they had 4 big bouncers in the place and they were walking around. They checked people at the door. He said the Hochiee mamas came in the place and guys wearing white tees and Tims were in there as well.
So we're talking about a place with plenty of security during things right. Including the drink prices were up there. That also keeps certain people out of the place.
So what I'm talking about here is a place doing things right when that kind of music is being played all night. Some owners are either cheap or can't afford to hire real security.
I've seen places that will hire the guy from the neighborhood to stand at the door checking people out. Basically not paying money for real security. Just hiring cheap security to do it instead of a real security guard that will do their job by the book.
Note to self - as stated above, people with white tee's and Tim's are bad people and need to be checked. Hochiee mama's are bad and need to be checked too.
I wonder if Red Lobster has bouncers for the white tee & Tim's / Hochiee mama group? Considering this thread was about Guitar Center, then I wonder if they also have bouncers for the white tee & Tim's / Hochiee mama group?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I wonder if Red Lobster has bouncers for the white tee & Tim's / Hochiee mama group? Considering this thread was about Guitar Center, then I wonder if they also have bouncers for the white tee & Tim's / Hochiee mama group?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Of COURSE Guitar Center has bouncers!
... They hire biker gang members as bouncers... I just happen to be sitting outside of Guitar Center waiting for it to open, and snapped this pic of the bouncer as he arrived to work....
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You're making fun of something serious. Again I said it's about how a place is being run. I've been told to look at another area. The location of a plane means nothing if the place isn't being run right.
I first saw my partner play in a bar called C & B. It was located on Sherman Avenue in Newark, NJ. That strip was known for cheap drug prostitutes to walk the streets there. There was no security in the bar when he played which was on Thursday and Saturday night. He got the gig because someone he knew wanted him to do their birthday party there. They liked what he did and hired him.
The place was a zoo! Anyone was allowed to come in the place. I know personally there were a bunch of underage people coming in to hear the DJ play drinking. Please don't blame the bartenders for not carding people. It was such a mess that as long as they had the money, that's all that mattered.
We tried to get the owner to hire a security guard but he was too cheap to do so. You go in the bathroom and guys would be in there using drugs. They would look at me sideways. Didn't bother me, I'm not the police.
So basically it was a free for all. I remember one chick that came in there certainly wasn't old enough to be in there because she was going to the middle school I used to work at. She was built like a grown woman though.
Some girls there said she needed to get with me. No way! She was under the age of 18 and I wasn't interested anyway because I didn't have any money for her.
To speed things up the last night he played there a big bar fight happened. He told me the fight lasted for 10 minutes. One person got thrown on the other side of the bar. The bartender got his nose broken with a chair.
He finally told me what started the fight is one of the young girls was taking one of the Spanish guys out the bar and setting him up to be robbed. So one group wasn't going to let that happen. Then another group jumped in because they were trying to stop the people helping the guy from being robbed and they came back in the bar fighting.
The manager lied and said it was the DJs fault. The police knew better. They see this stuff happening on a regular basis. So again it goes back to how a place is being run. Now do you understand? If the place was being run right non of this would have happened.
I must have missed it earlier (or maybe I'm not in the "know") .. What's a Tim and why are they bad? Is it like a Tim Hortons? Or a Tim Bucktoo?
Tims is short for Timbaland boots. Don't you know anything man? LOL.
You may not like it, but the location means a lot. I play a few spots in Arlington, Virginia, just outside of DC. And I can drop an all ratchet, trap and hip hop set... and not see a fight start. That's not my goal, and I prefer to mix it up. But, the area you are in is a big part of why you talk about the problems you talk about.
I guess not, but I hope you mean Timberland. I like Timbaland's music .. not sure I'd trust his boots.