EV Everse 8 vs Everse 12

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I recently bought an Everse 8 and used it for the first time this weekend. I thought it was a really nice speaker for the price point and what I needed from it.

I've been using the Bose L1 Compact for years for ceremony, cocktail, and fill-in-sound applications. But the ability to self-power a wireless receiver from the speaker itself versus using a Jackery to power the Bose is a huge upgrade for my ease of use. And also my Bose are starting to show some age.

Because of my intended applications I didn't really consider the 12 inch version, it just doesn't feel necessary. But I was super happy with the first time out.

I had threatening weather so I ended up with my mains outside while I DJ'd inside and used it as a monitor. (It sucks playing in an empty room while people dance outside, btw.)
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Dar Constitution hall! Love the Portico feel there as long as weather is nice! I have never been able to set up inside that room though. Looks like a small wedding. I am always set up outside the door and to the left between two pillars, and I run a Bose S1 Pro inside, and sometimes 2 of them if I have the room to work with. They will pack that thin room in with tables and people and space can be super tight!
 
Dar Constitution hall! Love the Portico feel there as long as weather is nice! I have never been able to set up inside that room though. Looks like a small wedding. I am always set up outside the door and to the left between two pillars, and I run a Bose S1 Pro inside, and sometimes 2 of them if I have the room to work with. They will pack that thin room in with tables and people and space can be super tight!

Yep, I'm there quite a bit. And my typical configuration is what you describe with wireless speakers inside to carry dinner music and toasts.

I've actually done dancing in the indoor space once with dinner being held in the library which was interesting.

Cool space... hate the load in/out.

This wedding was indeed small at about 62 guests.
 
When the demand for wireless connectivity is not rooted in any real technical need - it's just about convenience. Taken too far, the pursuit of convenience may be perceived as short thrift. Our desire to make things easy for ourselves can be counterproductive to our professional image. There's a lot of convenience talked about on this site that is actually rather cringe worthy. I also amazed at the percentage of DJs who don't seem to own any cables longer than 25Ft. :scratchhead:

There is no benefit to being fully wireless with ceremony sound if our resulting approach is simply unprofessional. DJs are often so fixated on hiding their ugly speakers that the speakers end up in places that make the audio distractingly unnatural. I never approach a gig from the requirement that it be "easy." I start with it being "appropriate" or correct with respect to the intended purpose.

I posted a photo a while back on this topic asking if people could find all four of my speakers in a ceremony site photo. No one succeeded because they were mistakenly looking for "gear." Had they started by identifying the appropriate positions - the locations would have been obvious.

If a soloist is playing in front of me - that is where the sound should seem to originate from; not from beside or behind me. If we want to get professional fees, we actually have to do professional work. When we offer ceremony sound as an 'add-on' we should take care not to treat it like the sidebar for ketchup and mustard.
 
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When the demand for wireless connectivity is not rooted in any real technical need - it's just about convenience. Taken too far, the pursuit of convenience may be perceived as short thrift. Our desire to make things easy for ourselves can be counterproductive to our professional image. There's a lot of convenience talked about on this site that is actually rather cringe worthy. I also amazed at the percentage of DJs who don't seem to own any cables longer than 25Ft. :scratchhead:

There is no benefit to being fully wireless with ceremony sound if our resulting approach is simply unprofessional. DJs are often so fixated on hiding their ugly speakers that the speakers end up in places that make the audio distractingly unnatural. I never approach a gig from the requirement that it be "easy." I start with it being "appropriate" or correct with respect to the intended purpose.

I posted a photo a while back on this topic asking if people could find all four of my speakers in a ceremony site photo. No one succeeded because they were mistakenly looking for "gear." Had they started by identifying the appropriate positions - the locations would have been obvious.

If a soloist is playing in front of me - that is where the sound should seem to originate from; not from beside or behind me. If we want to get professional fees, we actually have to do professional work. When we offer ceremony sound as an 'add-on' we should take care not to treat it like the sidebar for ketchup and mustard.

Getting land power to today's ceremony site is a real problem. My setup solves that issue and it's a perfectly acceptable rig. As for positioning of speakers, I agree that it's unnatural if the sound is coming from the wrong direction. However, there's also a visual consideration. I'm going to setup off to the side in the front, outside of any camera or video shots. Sound source position is still reasonably good and I'm not in their pictures.
 
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When the demand for wireless connectivity is not rooted in any real technical need - it's just about convenience. Taken too far, the pursuit of convenience may be perceived as short thrift. Our desire to make things easy for ourselves can be counterproductive to our professional image. There's a lot of convenience talked about on this site that is actually rather cringe worthy.
I admire fine joinery, particularly super strong joints that require no fasteners. It is truly an artform. However, I don't carry cables in furniture grade wooden boxes. I use nylon canvas bags. Why? Convenience. Turntablism is an artform. I don't spin vinyl anymore. Why? Convenience.

It irks the crap out of me when DJs provide sound for ceremonies from the back of the room. However, the average B&G would be hard pressed to understand why it is a problem. Heck, most DJs don't understand why either. Now imagine two similar DJs competing for a couple's business. One charges a little more to cover the extra time to setup up and tear down a sonically superior solution for the ceremony. However, the B&G, having no appreciation for that difference, go with the cheaper DJ.

Most people will choose low price over high quality. If this weren't the case, Neiman Marcus would be outselling Walmart (currently the world's largest retailer). You can't really fault them for targeting the needs and expectations of the lower end of the market. Similarly, Costco willingly loses money on their hot-dogs and rotisserie chicken because they know how much these items drive traffic to their stores. Their results show that this is still a good choice.

It is my guess that most DJs that skimp on their sound are doing so out of ignorance and/or convenience. Although it is possible that a few appreciate better sound but make a deliberate decision to operate conveniently so they can keep their rates competitive.
 
Yep, I'm there quite a bit. And my typical configuration is what you describe with wireless speakers inside to carry dinner music and toasts.

I've actually done dancing in the indoor space once with dinner being held in the library which was interesting.

Cool space... hate the load in/out.

This wedding was indeed small at about 62 guests.

It's one of the venues I know I will not be working when I get older since everything has to be carried up and down those stairs, then dealing with the library is a long walk with gear. The ONLY good thing is that you can park for free on the street there just as long as you can get a spot.

Then again that goes for most venues in D.C. and eventually I will give up on dealing with D.C. events before I give up deejaying.
 
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It's one of the venues I know I will not be working when I get older since everything has to be carried up and down those stairs, then dealing with the library is a long walk with gear. The ONLY good thing is that you can park for free on the street there just as long as you can get a spot.

Then again that goes for most venues in D.C. and eventually I will give up on dealing with D.C. events before I give up deejaying.
Did a barn wedding this summer backed the trailer right into the building load in was 3 feet
 
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Most people will choose low price over high quality. If this weren't the case, Neiman Marcus would be outselling Walmart (currently the world's largest retailer). You can't really fault them for targeting the needs and expectations of the lower end of the market. Similarly, Costco willingly loses money on their hot-dogs and rotisserie chicken because they know how much these items drive traffic to their stores. Their results show that this is still a good choice.

It is my guess that most DJs that skimp on their sound are doing so out of ignorance and/or convenience. Although it is possible that a few appreciate better sound but make a deliberate decision to operate conveniently so they can keep their rates competitive.
This is a common mantra we hear over and over among DJs. It's just what they need to hear and makes them all feel warm and fuzzy. But's it's patently false. Quality and Price are actually not directly related in the manner you describe because Walmart is not lower quality, it's simply non-exclusive,.

Walmart sells things that are sold everywhere - Baby formula, aspirin, Fishing line, underwear, extension cords, towels, and blankets. The things and even the specific brands you find in Walmart can largely be found in dozens of other outlets as well. Walmart sells convenience and ample inventory, and a secure knowledge that they have already compared prices for you - setting the bar for savings.

Neiman Marcus sells very specific versions of things. That certain bath towel you love that is twice as plush, or products produced in limited supply either deliberately, or by nature of the materials and process. We may have to wait for an item to actually become available or restocked, but we also might be able to have it customized in some way.

DJs can operate like Walmart - offering known quantities (packages) and repeat setups or add-ons. This is not sales per se, it's a delivery service. They're not going to do anything at your event they haven't already done or prepared to do somewhere else. They are not going to make recommendations exclusive to your needs, locations, or circumstances. They have a list of "options" (store aisles) and that's as far as it ever goes.

To operate like Neiman Marcus you have to be a tailor and provide custom fittings. Yeah - you're actually going to offer someone something that is unique to their event and no one else's. Instead of placing speakers for our convenience we devise a plan for the optimum sound and aesthetic. We don't whine because stairs are involved - we plan accordingly and rise to the challenge. We're resourceful enough to deliver more than something we have perennially crammed in a storage unit or van, more than a routine we've been using repeatedly in every setting.

Customers know whether they are in a Walmart or Neiman Marcus. We cannot pretend to be something we are not because the process will reveal us for who we really are. When someone tells us our price is too high it's because we're offering Walmart while pretending to be Neiman Marcus.

I have nearly a dozen invoices I need to get out the door to clients whose events are already completed. The customer doesn't even know yet what their final balance is, they just know the ballpark we agreed to play in. These are my Neiman Marcus customers. Then I have bills to send to people with contracts now payable, a discreet service and price represented on a contract and locked in prior to the event. That's my Walmart.
 
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Walmart sells things that are sold everywhere - Baby formula, aspirin, Fishing line, underwear, extension cords, towels, and blankets. The things and even the specific brands you find in Walmart can largely be found in dozens of other outlets as well. Walmart sells convenience and ample inventory, and a secure knowledge that they have already compared prices for you - setting the bar for savings.
Walmart has tremendous buying power and often has MFC (most favored customer) pricing with their vendors meaning the brand can't sell the same product to another retailer at a lower price. However, that is just the start. To meet Walmart's pricing demands, many brands make Walmart specific products. These products look similar to what the brand sells through other retailers but the UPC code is different. The product is also different in any number of ways that lets the brand lower Walmart's price. They may leave out some accessories, reduce feature set (particular for electronics) or use less durable materials. They know that most Walmart shoppers will not notice the differences. Walmart's house brand of products are notorious for corner cutting. For instance shampoos may be more diluted name brands and clothes will have thinner fabric with less precise stitching, etc.
 
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Walmart has tremendous buying power and often has MFC (most favored customer) pricing with their vendors meaning the brand can't sell the same product to another retailer at a lower price. However, that is just the start. To meet Walmart's pricing demands, many brands make Walmart specific products. These products look similar to what the brand sells through other retailers but the UPC code is different. The product is also different in any number of ways that lets the brand lower Walmart's price. They may leave out some accessories, reduce feature set (particular for electronics) or use less durable materials. They know that most Walmart shoppers will not notice the differences. Walmart's house brand of products are notorious for corner cutting. For instance shampoos may be more diluted name brands and clothes will have thinner fabric with less precise stitching, etc.
And yet, you can walk into the store and evaluate differences (if any) first hand before you buy. That does not however acknowledge or sustain your "corner cutting" accusations especially where you actually cite actions that are in fact, illegal. Enough with the Cali-liberal rhetoric.

I've never been disappointed with the quality or price of anything I've purchased from a Walmart, which is first and foremost a statement about my discretion - not the store. If you're point is that Walmart is not Neimen Marcus then I'd like to know who in this world are you trying to enlighten?

I'll stand by this:
Customers know whether they are in a Walmart or Neiman Marcus. We cannot pretend to be something we are not because the process will reveal us for who we really are. When someone tells us our price is too high it's because we're offering Walmart while pretending to be Neiman Marcus.
 
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And yet, you can walk into the store and evaluate differences (if any) first hand before you buy. That does not however acknowledge or sustain your "corner cutting" accusations especially where you actually cite actions that are in fact, illegal. Enough with the Cali-liberal rhetoric.

I've never been disappointed with the quality or price of anything I've purchased from a Walmart, which is first and foremost a statement about my discretion - not the store. If you're point is that Walmart is not Neimen Marcus then I'd like to know who in this world are you trying to enlighten?

I'll stand by this:
Customers know whether they are in a Walmart or Neiman Marcus. We cannot pretend to be something we are not because the process will reveal us for who we really are. When someone tells us our price is too high it's because we're offering Walmart while pretending to be Neiman Marcus.
Sorry about your last statement. There are those who will consider that the price you quote a potential client is too high for them. That doesn't mean you are not delivering a high quality service. It just simply means either they can't afford to pay the price you quoted them or they don't feel you're worth the price you quoted them. No matter what a DJs price is, there will always be somebody who will feel that's too much to pay a DJ to do an event for them.

Then there are those who don't have a problem with paying a DJ like Tunes4046 his starting price of $2,500. Others will think he has lost his mind for charging that much. Let me say it the best way I know how. There are some potential clients that you simply have to say no to and keep it moving on to the next potential client.
 
Sorry about your last statement. There are those who will consider that the price you quote a potential client is too high for them. That doesn't mean you are not delivering a high quality service. It just simply means either they can't afford to pay the price you quoted them or they don't feel you're worth the price you quoted them. No matter what a DJs price is, there will always be somebody who will feel that's too much to pay a DJ to do an event for them.

Then there are those who don't have a problem with paying a DJ like Tunes4046 his starting price of $2,500. Others will think he has lost his mind for charging that much. Let me say it the best way I know how. There are some potential clients that you simply have to say no to and keep it moving on to the next potential client.
Mix you say this all the time, yet you can only seem to get free or very very low priced events. Can you explain why that is?
 
Mix you say this all the time, yet you can only seem to get free or very very low priced events. Can you explain why that is?
As you say, I'm a hobby DJ. That's fine.

Let me say it this way. There are those who can afford to go and shop at Neiman Marcus and buy items from them. I have been in that store once. I didn't buy anything because simply put I couldn't afford anything in the store. I was just on my way to another store in the mall.

Neiman Marcus is not a store for people shopping for a bargain. The thing is even in this tough economy they are still in business and others for example like Sears are not in business anymore.. why is Neiman Marcus still in business? Because they have customers who feel that what they have to sell is worth them spending their money on.

Now there are those who can easily afford to pay guys like you and Taso the price you quote. Then there are those who can't conceive spending that much money to book a DJ.

Let me say this. I have been watching videos about things that Michael Jeffrey Jordan has done and is doing. One video said he has enough money for 10 lifetimes. So that means he has a lot of money. Now his net worth is in the billions. Now for an example he can easily afford to pay a DJ 10K to do an event for him. Now the question is he has enough money he can easily afford to pay. Now just because he has the money he has its easy to assume he would pay that price without hesitation. There's no guarantee he would pay that much just because he can easily afford to pay that price. I know I'm exaggerating things here. My point is that people will pay for things only if they feel the item or service is worth the price.

There are those who are on a fixed income and have to figure out how they are going to be able to buy food to eat and pay rent or mortgage. Now there are those who don't have to worry about those things as long as they are on the top making the kind of money that they can easily afford those things without having to stress about those things.
 
Mix you say this all the time, yet you can only seem to get free or very very low priced events. Can you explain why that is?

It's most likely a cultural issue. If you're around lower class (poor) people, you ain't gonna find high priced events. Same thing probably applies to image. He's older, like a lot of us, and no real way to change his image. I feel that one myself. I couldn't compete with Taso or Ross on image alone. I'm 61 and overweight. 20-something females don't connect with me very much.
 
It's most likely a cultural issue. If you're around lower class (poor) people, you ain't gonna find high priced events. Same thing probably applies to image. He's older, like a lot of us, and no real way to change his image. I feel that one myself. I couldn't compete with Taso or Ross on image alone. I'm 61 and overweight. 20-something females don't connect with me very much.

I'm always honored when I get mentioned with him, but Taso is in a different league. I think his clients want a different vibe than my typical client does, so I build my offerings a bit different. But he's got a style and swag to how he executes his business that is unparalleled in this community.
 
The Everse 8 came out a few months after I bought my Bose S1. I've wanted one since they came out, but it's hard to justify having an S1 I've only used maybe times. LOL.

Anyone wanna buy a "like new" Bose S1 speaker? :p