DJ Software Drag-n-Drop Functionality

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As Randy mentions, the key to this debate :), is dragging and dropping within the same queue.

You can drag and drop most anywhere in Rockit, except within the same queue.

There is a way to turn off the delete function when you drag though. In the INI file, there is a line that reads:

; If 1, tracks will be deleted from queues when dragged somewhere else.
DeleteOnDrag=1

If you change that to zero, the track will not be removed from a queue when you drag it somewhere else. Just open the Config->General, click the Edit Manually button, make the change and save it. You must restart Rockit when you make manual changes to the INI file.


When Randy proposed this after 4.0 was released, I attempted to make the drag and drop within a single queue. I broke it :sqerr:

So, I reverted back to the old code, and put the additional commands in for shortcuts to do that.

The drag and drop code in Rockit, is the single most complicated part of the program (other than the decoder itself), and consists of over 5,000 lines of code. I decided to wait until another release to tackle that.


The debate started, when I mentioned that that is not the way the queues were meant to be used in the first place, which is why I didn't put it in way back when.

So, it really comes down (in my eyes), to the conceptual use of the queues, for something they were not designed for.

That's my story -- and I'm sticking to it :)
 
MBM said:
Rick, looking at Rocket 4.1, as for drag and drop, the only place I see that it doesn't work like I would like, is being able to Drag-And -Drop music from the search window, or library window into a playlist window or playlist edit window. I did read in the manual it can be dropped onto the playlist icon which does work okay, but the windows would be easier.

Thanks for all your work on Rockit.
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Thanx Mike :)

The playlist editor, resides in a DLL, and therefore uses different memory space then the main part of Rockit, which is why you can't drag there.

In 4.1, you can open all queues as separate windows, and drag and drop from search, requests, main list, etc, directly into those queues. It shows the little red circle, but it actually works (minor bug for showing the red circle -- on my list of fixes for next release) :)
 
Even though Rockit (for example) has a built in library and PC list, I still like having the skin small enough to open my own library window next to the software. The reason is that the folders open in a new frame instead of a cascading tree (+ / -). I just drag and drop tracks into it.

I don't use the library feature because in most cases, you have to rebuild it every time you add new tracks. If I forget, then I have to do a HD search. It's a major speed bump for me.
 
Request Line Productions said:
Even though Rockit (for example) has a built in library and PC list, I still like having the skin small enough to open my own library window next to the software. The reason is that the folders open in a new frame instead of a cascading tree (+ / -). I just drag and drop tracks into it.

I don't use the library feature because in most cases, you have to rebuild it every time you add new tracks. If I forget, then I have to do a HD search. It's a major speed bump for me.
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There is a new function on the My Computer pop up menu -- to only add new files from a given folder :)
 
I use Traktor and you can drag and drop from anywhere to anywhere. Lots of custom assignable keys are also available as shortcuts.
 
Randy A said:
Within any que (that's the key to this argument) --- there is no drag-n-drop function for re-arranging of the music. For example, you cannot take song 10 and move it to song 5 without having to use shortcut keys or mouse clicks.

Sure, you can use drag-n-drop to get it there, but you can't use it after you have the song in place. Try it.....grab it. Unless you take it out of the que into a player, you lose the entire song and have to go find it again. That also sucks. Why not just plop it back down where it was?
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Okay now I see the crux of the argument.... I would agree with you if you can't just grab a song in a playlist and drag it up and down just using the mouse that makes the software a bit of a pain.... is that what this is truly about?

Instead of getting fired up about it just ask for the feature... I'm sure the programmer could add this functionality. Whomever that programmer is... ;)

Let the program grow... I've gone through lots of software updates with my karaoke software to get it where it is today and I can tell you the programmers sometimes need the input of the users but I also know that changes such as these sometimes take time as they could involve re-writes that are extremely involved and time consuming. Be paitient is all I can say.
 
I can get by without drag and drop features anywhere but in the que! If I have several songs in que and the situation calls for a different song in the last two seconds I want to be able to simply grab the new song to the top and hit play.
 
Thunder said:
I can get by without drag and drop features anywhere but in the que! If I have several songs in que and the situation calls for a different song in the last two seconds I want to be able to simply grab the new song to the top and hit play.
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That is totally there :)

In Rockit, if you have songs in a deck queue, you just double-click, and it loads instantly into the deck, or you can drag and drop it anywhere else you like, use the Next button, whatever you like -- choose your weapon :)

Randy wants them in a certain order in the AutoMix queue though, even though he does not use AutoMix. That is where my conceptual issue comes in, as the AutoMix queue is designed for one purpose, and not meant to replace the deck queues, which work differently...
 
Regardless of what que is being used and what it's being used for.......drag-n-drop should have been a standard feature.

By beef began when you tried to belittle me for the way I run my show.

I didn't start this thread mentioning you or your software. I wanted an open and honest discussion about the functionality with drag-n-drop within any software and what people thought. By your responding and airing our dirty laundry, my thread has been shot to hell.
 
jokerswild said:
Instead of getting fired up about it just ask for the feature... I'm sure the programmer could add this functionality. Whomever that programmer is... ;)

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I did do that. On several occassions. The short of it, it's working as designed because the designer doesn't think it's a necessary functionality.

I found I don't like automix as well as I thought I would. But, having my que in one simple single column list is much handier than having two seperate deck ques. I use the automix que for that and the A & B ques for staging areas of other songs. It works extremely well for me.

My firing up was the programmer belittle me for the way I had customized his software -- which was one of his selling points about how the skins were so user friendly and customizable.
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Sure, you could set them up as a short cut key. (I assume the arrow keys are available for that.) But, the problem with that is the song you're trying to move doesn't stay selected. You move it once and you have to click on it again to move it, so on and so on.
 
Randy A said:
Regardless of what que is being used and what it's being used for.......drag-n-drop should have been a standard feature.

By beef began when you tried to belittle me for the way I run my show.

I didn't start this thread mentioning you or your software. I wanted an open and honest discussion about the functionality with drag-n-drop within any software and what people thought. By your responding and airing our dirty laundry, my thread has been shot to hell.
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It was not my intention Randy, and I apologize if it was taken that way. I believe we were both mistaken, in the way we handled this.

Having said that (and I hope it is accepted on good terms), I still stand behind the way I originally designed the queues. The AutoMix queue was not designed for certain things, it was designed for AutoMix.


I will get to the drag and drop within a single queue eventually, but it is just not on top of the priority list at the moment, and I hope you will understand that, and not take it as me dissing you. I have lots of folks to satisfy, and I do my best, based on the amount of requests for features I get... :)
 
Rick, I think we know each other well enough that we can agree to disagree on the issue.

But, it really did piss me off when you stopped in on this thread. I may have been able to round up some of those precious feature requests that dictate your workload. :)
 
Randy A said:
Rick, I think we know each other well enough that we can agree to disagree on the issue.

But, it really did piss me off when you stopped in on this thread. I may have been able to round up some of those precious feature requests that dictate your workload. :)
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No issues here Randy -- if I get pissed or irked at something or someone, it usually goes away after a few beers :sqbiggrin:

I'll do the best I can, as quick as I can...


Now, I'll bow out, and stop derailing yer thread :)
 
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djsarge said:
Can you use the arrows keys to move tracks up and down?
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I have found that to be too slow on other programs I have used.
 
I haven't played with the software much yet, but at first glance, RockIt seems to emulate a real Dual Deck CD player by having a play list (CD tray) for each deck, but in order to Auto Mix between the decks you must put the tracks in the Auto Mix que. Is that correct?

Randy's complaint seems to be that it is not easy to change the order of tracks in the Auto Mix que. Correct also? If that is the case, I wouldn't be to fond of that either. One reason being use for cocktail or dinner music. I have a few preset play list for this, but normally will custom make a dinner play list and sometimes change it on the fly. For example, if a client wants a mixture of Crooners, Light Rock and Easy Listening, I may load a selection of Crooners first, then add the rest and move it around the play list to intersperse among the Crooners. With out drag and drop, this would be a horrendous task.
 
djsarge said:
I haven't played with the software much yet, but at first glance, RockIt seems to emulate a real Dual Deck CD player by having a play list (CD tray) for each deck, but in order to Auto Mix between the decks you must put the tracks in the Auto Mix que. Is that correct?
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On standard AutoMix, yes -- it draws from the AutoMix queue, in the order you put them in. In Random AutoMix, you can specify artist, album, genre, BPM and year ranges.

Every queue within Rockit, has a pop up menu (right click) that looks like this:

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So, there are many options to do this. :)
 
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