Chauvet As A Source of Information?
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It turns into a "fine line" on a "slippery slope". Having run a chat board in the past, the admins are walking a tight rope with different "slants" on every thread. IE: one member who's had good luck with a particular vendor or product may have an opinion, and another member may have had a different experience, with a 180 opinion. With so many opinions, how do you level the playing field?
Every vendor has preference for the products they sell. That's what puts the food on the table... and it figures. Inviting vendors to participate in discussions can have effects on the direction a thread takes. There's pros and cons to each side of the issue. What's fair is really the question to be asked, and what's fair to me will be different than fair to you.
Here's an example: one customer has an issue with a fixture that is defective. Contacting the vendor had a poor result. Both customer and vendor are members of the same chat board. One opinion is expressed, and now feathers get ruffled. What is the administrator to do now? That's the slippery slope. I've seen the "tendency" of other members who will now "gang up" on the negative member's comments if they don't agree (right or wrong). Having vendors who are allowed to participate on any board can be a very good thing and a very bad thing. Have a vote and let the majority rule... or... let the admin make the call. After all, it's his/her board! There is no "correct answer".
Every vendor has preference for the products they sell. That's what puts the food on the table... and it figures. Inviting vendors to participate in discussions can have effects on the direction a thread takes. There's pros and cons to each side of the issue. What's fair is really the question to be asked, and what's fair to me will be different than fair to you.
Here's an example: one customer has an issue with a fixture that is defective. Contacting the vendor had a poor result. Both customer and vendor are members of the same chat board. One opinion is expressed, and now feathers get ruffled. What is the administrator to do now? That's the slippery slope. I've seen the "tendency" of other members who will now "gang up" on the negative member's comments if they don't agree (right or wrong). Having vendors who are allowed to participate on any board can be a very good thing and a very bad thing. Have a vote and let the majority rule... or... let the admin make the call. After all, it's his/her board! There is no "correct answer".
Tyrone, as stated before, this is not a free for all Vendor Invite. Ben used to be more active on this board but now that his schedule is so heavy and he travels so much he rarely comes on. Even he as a Vendor somtimes answers questions on other manufacturers products that he does not sell. Y'all are not reading and understanding. CHAUVET WILL NOT be a Vendor, Ben already is....Chauvet's role would be to back up their products which Ben sells and answer any questions on Ben's behalf. Again, read and understand. Chauvet will NOT be a Vendor just an Information Member.
Canute .. that's the rub .. they ARE a Vendor, just would be coming to the board incognito so to say. If they wish to do it under the NLFX banner, great, but independently, even as a call-in, IMO they should pony up. Or .. we allow all vendors as members no strings attached.
You are mixing two things .. Ben sells more than Chauvet lighting and as a vendor would normally be open to multiple points of view on the products. Chauvet directly would not. If people want to engage Chauvet directly, I believe they have their own forum.
Again .. only my reasonably logical opinion.
You are mixing two things .. Ben sells more than Chauvet lighting and as a vendor would normally be open to multiple points of view on the products. Chauvet directly would not. If people want to engage Chauvet directly, I believe they have their own forum.
Again .. only my reasonably logical opinion.
I give up! You guys are clueless. How in the Hell they are going to be a Vendor when they won't be selling anything? Is this chap a vendor too? His name is Michael Ducot, he represents EV He has been a member since 2007 long before you came on the scene. See post #21. http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/29415-Question-for-EV!/page2?highlight=Michael+Ducot Chauvet's status would be just as his.
I'm sorry .. vendor doesn't necessarily mean selling on ODJT. I believe in everyone else's mind, they are still a VENDOR .. I do believe they sell to someone? And yes, if Mr Ducot is representing EV, he is a Vendor and I believe EV does pay to be here (as does Ben) .. Chauvet does not. So Ben can rep Chauvet . it gets dicey when Chauvet reps Chauvet and doesn't adhere to the same protocols as other Vendors.
Canute .. there must be a real heavy fog rolling in Houston.
Canute .. there must be a real heavy fog rolling in Houston.
Who is better to answer a question posted here on a Chauvet product so that others can see the answer?
Yeah, I understand what you're getting at, and I'm not clueless...
Ok, then let me be an "information vendor" on the things I sell. Over the past, I've mentioned things about what I do or sell, and have been called on the carpet for "advertising" (or mentioning things that could be considered advertising), rightfully so. How can I give information on DMX or front facades (for example) and not have someone like you consider it advertising for me? That's the fine line/slippery slope I was talking about. While you may think it's OK for one, but criticize me for the same thing. Can't have your cake and eat it too. But if "DJ so and so" mentions my stuff, is that advertising... I'd say so. Make it OK? How about if I was an advertiser? Mention it all you want? How do you and I agree? Can't! You're not going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you... who's right?
All I was trying to say was that it's ultimately Dan's decision.
Ok, then let me be an "information vendor" on the things I sell. Over the past, I've mentioned things about what I do or sell, and have been called on the carpet for "advertising" (or mentioning things that could be considered advertising), rightfully so. How can I give information on DMX or front facades (for example) and not have someone like you consider it advertising for me? That's the fine line/slippery slope I was talking about. While you may think it's OK for one, but criticize me for the same thing. Can't have your cake and eat it too. But if "DJ so and so" mentions my stuff, is that advertising... I'd say so. Make it OK? How about if I was an advertiser? Mention it all you want? How do you and I agree? Can't! You're not going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you... who's right?
All I was trying to say was that it's ultimately Dan's decision.
That is true, but I don't think I want to embarrass myself or Chauvet by inviting them to join so they can be attacked by others who don't share the same value.
Here is another Archived Post when Grundorf joined our forum. Because of this Gal (Yep, she was a redhead too) I bought a Facade from Ben. http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/26366-Hi-everyone!-New-girl-in-town-)?highlight=Grundorf
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Texass hates it when you don't see things his way. He's looking for a "pat on the back" for his efforts here; he can't understand why any of you would doubt his great knowledge. It must be the right thing for all of us if he's telling us so.
Someone may have said something as EricaW hasn't been around in a while. I also agree with you that no one is better than a manufacturer to answer their questions and they are all free to join as vendors. I believe I said earlier that maybe their needs to be a 2nd tier for those that wish to pimp their products but not get the banner advertising the higher paying sponsors get.
Otherwise, WHY would any sponsor wish to pay?
Otherwise, WHY would any sponsor wish to pay?
Erica no longer works for Grundorf and nobody said anything opposing her being a member here while she was here. They have not replaced her and I don't know why. Maybe Ben no longer sells that Brand.
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wow its pretty stupid to attempt to stir **** when there isnt any to stir. I invite anyone to send myself or Dan a note concerning any ideas in regards to sponsors etc but its going well as is . Please rewrite the rule book if you would like and we will take it to a group meet to determine if it needs to be reconsidered and rewrote. I shak my head wondering why we have to try and cause issue on such a subject that has not been major issues here. No one said its perfect but across the board compared to many other options it works well for us.
Jon I don't think I caused any issue. Unless the rules were changed since Grundorf and EV used to participate I was only suggesting we continue the same . This was not supposed to be something new as Steve made it out to be. By no means was I introducing a new idea here.
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I dropped the issue. What you posted was my exact thoughts after I saw all the resistance. This would create a big problem because if Chauvet became a Sponsor then they would have the right to direct sales to any of their Dealers across the US and Canada, not just NLFX. That won't be fair to Ben. It will be competition.Well we could always invite Chauvet to be a sponsor right?