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Scott Hanna said:
Lol...let me see if I understand the logic of this statement. Being rude, obnoxious, and demeaning is actually only rude obnoxious and demeaning if the person that you are saying things about gets upset?
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Yes - you have to choose to be insulted, and choose to believe that "hobbyists" are inferior to you. You're the one creating the drama with your own pet insecurity - and instead of addressing the substance of the comparison you're on like post 5 of another cry baby whining spell.

Ha! "Put downs" my a___ , it's a call to step up and as usual - you aren't capable of it... too busy playing the poor victim. Hell, why don't you just give me your lunch money and really play the part up?
 
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Yes - you have to choose to be insulted, and choose to believe that "hobbyists" are inferior to you. You're the one creating the drama with your own pet insecurity - and instead of addressing the substance of the comparison you're on like post 5 of another cry baby whining spell.

Ha! "Put downs" my a___ , it's a call to step up and as usual - you aren't capable of it... too busy playing the poor victim. Hell, why don't you just give me your lunch money and really play the part up?
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I learned you normally don't get upset at things that are not true about you. If it's not true then you can let it fly. The problem with some is that they have been doing this so long their ego won't let them be wrong or admit someone else is right. We all can have different ways of doing things. It doesn't mean you're wrong or right sometimes. Just doing things different from someone else.

Canute for example makes a great point that others have made too about spreading speakers out a good distance from each other when you can. He's right about it looks much better and the sound should be better. Some think it doesn't matter. He has a right to voice his opinion and concerns. His opinion is based on years of experience and not just theory. I take it he has learned certain things through making mistakes. Who on here hasn't made some mistakes and learned from them?
 
Proformance said:
Yes - you have to choose to be insulted, and choose to believe that "hobbyists" are inferior to you. You're the one creating the drama with your own pet insecurity - and instead of addressing the substance of the comparison you're on like post 5 of another cry baby whining spell.

Ha! "Put downs" my a___ , it's a call to step up and as usual - you aren't capable of it... too busy playing the poor victim. Hell, why don't you just give me your lunch money and really play the part up?
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Poor little bob. Again, your logic makes no sense. You said a statement is not rude unless the person is insulted...and if the person is insulted, then it must be true.

Let's put this little theory to the test. Let's say someone calls your mother a &**&&&. According to Bob logic, It's not rude, unless she's insulted. And if she is insulted, then it must be true.

Got it.

I've never been insulted by you. I do find many of your rants and logic amusing though. I do especially like when you contradict yourself, and then just deny it when someone points it out to you. Even when they show you your own post, you just keep denying that you said it. Brilliant!

I would suggest you read your post before you actually post them and ask yourself, "Does this argument make even a little bit of sense?" before you send it.

Then maybe someone might take your posts seriously rather that laughing it off as the rantings of a cranky, bitter, attention starved, goof.
 
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Proformance said:
I suppose you and others on this site get a pass because you disguise your bigotry toward posters like Mix, and those you stalk as sub-par to be enlightenment?
So many of you simply hate on the guy and pretend to be helpful with advice that ignores the economic reality of his resources and simultaneously bashes him for the same. He's got bigger hurdles and as a result more street credibility than most on this site.

Simple truth is too many of you need a sub-class to feed your ego. How long can you go without your "bottom-feeder" fix?
'Tis sweet but fragile in suburbia when you're only claim to being a "DJ" is a laptop, 250 free biz cards, and a web page. ...and perhaps a real job too?
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Thanks but I'm a big boy and can take it. I know sometimes my ego gets me in trouble because of how long I've been doing this. Please answer these 2 questions. What is a hobbiest to you and how are you better then them?
 
Scott Hanna said:
Poor little bob. Again, your logic makes no sense. You said a statement is not rude unless the person is insulted...and if the person is insulted, then it must be true.

Let's put this little theory to the test. Let's say someone calls your mother a &**&&&. According to Bob logic, It's not rude, unless she's insulted. And if she is insulted, then it must be true.

Got it.

I've never been insulted by you. I do find many of your rants and logic amusing though. I do especially like when you contradict yourself, and then just deny it when someone points it out to you. Even when they show you your own post, you just keep denying that you said it. Brilliant!

I would suggest you read your post before you actually post them and ask yourself, "Does this argument make even a little bit of sense?" before you send it.

Then maybe someone might take your posts seriously rather that laughing it off as the rantings of a cranky, bitter, attention starved, goof.
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..still struggling to control the narrative of fairy tale misery? Good luck with that.

MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
I learned you normally don't get upset at things that are not true about you. If it's not true then you can let it fly. The problem with some is that they have been doing this so long their ego won't let them be wrong or admit someone else is right. We all can have different ways of doing things. It doesn't mean you're wrong or right sometimes. Just doing things different from someone else.
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Mix, there's a lot of wisdom in that and you are spot on. When an issue comes to close to someone's fears you get an emotional narrative describing their personal vulnerability not a perspective on the larger reality affecting or connecting others.

You are so true - right and wrong is relative. Canute is right about the acoustic properties of the speakers. From a practical perspective, I don't care - because my system has the scalability and power to compensate for certain aberrations and my goal is to get great sound while preserving the aesthetic integrity of the space. Acoustic perfection is for the laboratory and perfectionism is just a trap.

Rick is right too - sometimes I'm an asshole online but, that's as far as you can measure. I owe no one patience with their chat room farts and can be pretty quick to roll down the window. Cold fresh air is disturbing to people who wallow in the waft of their own s____. C'est La vie.
 
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Performance you still never answered my 2 questions. What is your definition of a hobbyist and what makes you different from a hobbyist?

What's wrong with trying to get things looking perfect at an event you're doing or a perfect job for the client and their guest?

Nothing. Can you achieve that all the time? Of course not because we all are human beings and not the supreme being.
 
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Thanks but I'm a big boy and can take it. I know sometimes my ego gets me in trouble because of how long I've been doing this. Please answer these 2 questions. What is a hobbiest to you and how are you better then them?
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It's not about you Mix. As a professional with nearly 30 years full time in this field I won't collude in the insecure pile-on of wannabe culture that permeates the DJ world.

I'm not better than a hobbyist - that's the point. What I have is better resources, higher risk tolerance, more skills and experience, and a track record customer's can rely on. Despite all of that - I still have to compete with the valid alternatives of kids with an iPod, and part-timers with a laptop. Not better or worse - they just are. I can take my advantages and apply them to jobs beyond the ability of these competitors - or I can rant and rave about how they are doing it "all wrong" - which as you wisely pointed out has no basis in reality.

Advice is measurable. When someone has no real skin in the game their values will be skewed in directions which are dysfunctional to those who do, and their perspective on resources void of the pertinent immediacy.

Your notions about perfection are a trap. The fact is yes, I can make my every client perfectly happy every single time. That has nothing to do with what you, Canute, or even I would view as "perfect." There is no such thing as perfect or perfectly right. There are just perfectly suitable outcomes. I suppose if you want to know what makes anyone different - it's diversity, the range of circumstances and settings in which hey can make that happen. A lot of DJs, especially those on the sidelines tend to be rigidly one dimensional. What they've done is packaged something personally repeatable largely centered around gear, and seek out routine.

I can only guess based on your posts, but it sounds like you are of/or near retirement age, interested in DJing, and short on resources to acquire gear. The advice of part time mobiles (who function largely as gear collectors and haulers) isn't going to work for you. You need to recognize that your personal touch, commitment, and physical ability are the tools with the most potential for you. Stop following gear around and start leading with you - the DJ. You don't need gear to be a DJ. You don't even need music - you just need a place to to actually do it. That means looking for clubs/bars that need a DJ - not an audio system. Looking for entertainment venues and providers who are seeking DJs not gear.
 
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I read a lot of commentary from you...but always about other people's issues or problems or situations or opinions.
When can we see a thorough gig report from YOU?
Do you have any recent gig logs you could share with the class?
When was your most recent gig?
 
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I read a lot of commentary from you...but always about other people's issues or problems or situations or opinions.
When can we see a thorough gig report from YOU?
Do you have any recent gig logs you could share with the class?
When was your most recent gig?
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One could ask 'Canute' to that as well.....;)

From what I gather to his constent online presence, he can't have too many things on the books.
 
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I read a lot of commentary from you...but always about other people's issues or problems or situations or opinions.
When can we see a thorough gig report from YOU?
Do you have any recent gig logs you could share with the class?
When was your most recent gig?
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He has shared them before and posted pics too. Whats the matter? You were not paying attention in Class or were you out sick that day? ;)

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Randy A said:
One could ask 'Canute' to that as well.....;)

From what I gather to his constent online presence, he can't have too many things on the books.
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I just recently showed pics of a new Venue that I did. I play a lot of the same places over and over so why should I bore everyone with the same setups. I prefer NOT to show pics of people dancing, everyone knows what that looks like. Besides, if you or anyone else feel comfortable posting pics of people on the internet without their expressed permission, then by all means knock yourselves out. What can another DJ learn about watching a Gig Report with just pics of people dancing or highlighted pics of a Cake on a Table? How about your Gig Reports, where are they? Are you so opposed to be critiqued if it calls for it or could you be just one of those looking for the proverbial "Pat on the back"?
 
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Canute why not have both worlds in a gig report. What your setup looks like, pictures of the venue and people dancing. The gear you use and what your setup looks like is mainly important to us dj's. The general public could care less about the gear you use or if every wire in your setup is in the proper place to look good. It helps when people can see a good clean setup but ultimately that won't matter much if you don't do a good job for the client.

Performance you don't sell gear. You sell what you can do to make a potential clients event a success. Using really high quality professional gear to me makes things sound better and makes my job easier. Of course you've got to know your stuff when buying equipment or you'll buy anything. Which in turn buying some cheap crappy gear usually won't last long and will sound like crap. Leaving people with saying why did they book this DJ? In turn having people telling others to stay away from that DJ.
 
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I read a lot of commentary from you...but always about other people's issues or problems or situations or opinions.
When can we see a thorough gig report from YOU?
Do you have any recent gig logs you could share with the class?
When was your most recent gig?
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OH OH OH OH ( i have my hand up ):p teacher i have to go to the bathroom
 
Ausumm said:
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I read a lot of commentary from you...but always about other people's issues or problems or situations or opinions.
When can we see a thorough gig report from YOU?
Do you have any recent gig logs you could share with the class?
When was your most recent gig?
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Q #1: Seeking your approval is not one of my issues, so don't hold your breath on me reporting to you about gigs.

Q #2: Most recent DJ gig: NYE & now re-booked for June. Most recent karaoke Dec 22 (no bars). Most recent corporate: last Tues & tomorrow.

Slowest January I can recall, no Mitzvahs at all, two major corporate clients no longer exist, and the other has left the area. An hour ago I even had someone say a rental price was out of their budget - that almost never happens. Booked 5 other future events this month, and have 6 more inquiries on my desk this week. That's as much detail as I care to share with other DJs ...unless you want to hire me for something?
 
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Performance trust me I've played in some place with a lousy setup for a system. The big thing is that because of my experience as a DJ I've gotten by. At times it's been difficult to pull it off but I've gotten lucky. I should say it's not luck but skill. Most owners certainly don't know or care what is really good professional gear and are too cheap to spend the money for such things. All they know if it works that's what counts. Now what I have found is that if a bar/club has it's own setup that the owner needs to make sure they find a DJ to play there that knows what they are doing. Some think if they just turn things all the way up blasting a setup will make look like they are this great DJ. When in fact that can damage a system.

Now someone mentioned I could stand at the door and be security for this place because I don't play much. I do but the night we were there for that party it wasn't necessary for me to play. The 2 most important things happened. The people there liked the music being played and we got paid. When I go to play at the bar in Orange, NJ I have to play the whole time there because the manager only likes one DJ playing any night a DJ is there.
 
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Performance trust me I've played in some place with a lousy setup for a system. The big thing is that because of my experience as a DJ I've gotten by. At times it's been difficult to pull it off but I've gotten lucky. I should say it's not luck but skill. Most owners certainly don't know or care what is really good professional gear and are too cheap to spend the money for such things. All they know if it works that's what counts. Now what I have found is that if a bar/club has it's own setup that the owner needs to make sure they find a DJ to play there that knows what they are doing. Some think if they just turn things all the way up blasting a setup will make look like they are this great DJ. When in fact that can damage a system.

Now someone mentioned I could stand at the door and be security for this place because I don't play much. I do but the night we were there for that party it wasn't necessary for me to play. The 2 most important things happened. The people there liked the music being played and we got paid. When I go to play at the bar in Orange, NJ I have to play the whole time there because the manager only likes one DJ playing any night a DJ is there.
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Some years ago I showed up at a Club to DJ, the Club had its own equipment. When I saw what they had and the unsafe way it was hooked up, I walked away there and then. The owner and I are still friends to this day. I went on to do gigs at his place but with MY equipment. The main reason for my walking away, I did not want to be held responsible if anything blew up. I made a Thread here about that some years ago.
 
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Some years ago I showed up at a Club to DJ, the Club had its own equipment. When I saw what they had and the unsafe way it was hooked up, I walked away there and then. The owner and I are still friends to this day. I went on to do gigs at his place but with MY equipment. The main reason for my walking away, I did not want to be held responsible if anything blew up. I made a Thread here about that some years ago.
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Like I said, the club has to be serious about what they are doing. If the DJ booth looks like it's been used as a broom closet for the past 10 years then they are no more serious than a club that has no booth or dance floor. I wouldn't bother bringing my own gear into an establishment that doesn't have a firm commitment and clear plan on how the DJ fits into their over-all food & beverage business.
 
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Like I said, the club has to be serious about what they are doing. If the DJ booth looks like it's been used as a broom closet for the past 10 years then they are no more serious than a club that has no booth or dance floor. I wouldn't bother bringing my own gear into an establishment that doesn't have a firm commitment and clear plan on how the DJ fits into their over-all food & beverage business.
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The bar that I get to cover you have to bring in your own gear. There is a stage that the DJ plays from. So my controller, external HD and laptop are up there with me. Also when I use my cordless mic it's up there too. It's a small but nice place. No real dance floor but an area where people can dance their butts off. I was there last night just stopping in to hear my friend play.

Now if I were to find a place like that to play in on a regular bases that would be great! As for this other place I think we'll go over to talk to this owner possibly on Sunday. I was told I need to do the talking and my partner will be there with me. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not scared. I'll state the issues and concerns I have about doing this in this place. If the owner doesn't agree then I'll just wish him well and I'm still in business doing what I do. Not a big deal.

Tomorrow I have a bowling party to do. I'll cover it myself. Just for those who want to know they are paying me $300.00. It's going to be at HY Way Bowl on route 22 west in Union, NJ. It will be from 9:30pm till closing. I'll post more about some up coming gigs later.
 
so with your disability retirement you can lift gear eh? Go get em Tiger I hope no one sees you nor reports you for the fraud across the board.
 
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Me and my partner talked it and decided to not do it. To much risk involved. The owner said to us we don't want to know how much his bills was to run the place. I don't give a damn. My concern is how much am I going to make if we play there.

Plus once we got enough people coming to the place he then wanted us to pay him to be there. He lost his rabbit azz mind. There's no way in hell I would do something so stupid. He would be already getting the money from the bar. If we were to build it up then he should be excited that we've brought in a ton of customers drinking.

So he can keep that hole in the wall for another sucker.
 
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