2 hour event....I could make $0 or $1000.

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Precisionpower said:
Maybe i'm dumb...But i couldn't accept $1,000 for only working for 2 hours...
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I would have no problem accepting $1,000 for working 2 hours. It would mean the place got 11 new clients at 90 a month.


Johan Santana from the Mets got paid over 18 million last year. IF he made 35 starts, thats $539,318 for a 3 hour game. If he made 100 pitches in each of those games, that's $5,393 for every pitch. Should he turn the money down?

Now, in order to become a top rated major league pitcher, you have to put in a lot of work that isn't paid for. So those numbers are skewed.

Just like when a DJ takes the time to come up with a marketing idea, pitches the idea to a companies, then plans it, promotes it, gets there early, double checks everything, "works for 2 hours", then tears down.....all with the possibility of making nothing......

Like I said, I would have no problem getting paid $1000 for "2 hours of work"



There is a whole different mind set when thinking like an hourly employee and thinking like a business man
 
rickryan.com said:
SMACK!!!

Pap shared an innovative idea. If it works, this could be replicated into ALL of our areas (I'll certainly try it). And you wanna diss on him for it?

SMACK!!!

Ouch - that hurt! It was a diss and totally out of line - Did not quite understand if he was offering a free gig or asking to be paid? I read his post last evening prior going to bed and was tired - Read it again this morning and the other posts and I see where he is going with this. The bragging part was - oh well nevermind - if you can make $1000 for a two hour event go for it - I personally don't know too many professions that are worth that kind of money. I also don't think the business would be willing to give up that kind of money - Might be glad to offer your original price per hour but not $500 per hour.
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We are currently working on a deal like this with the local movie theater, it can be very benifitial to both parties if done properly.
 
Precisionpower said:
Your motive confuses me...

Do you want to do a free show for the kids? or do you want-expect to be compensated??

If you want to be paid, then tell him that.
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My original thought, before I presented the idea, was that I would just give a free show for the hard working kids. But the teacher mentioned his new enrollment plan, My idea was that we could cross promote, and I came up with the idea that I would DJ an event where we could both make money. I offered him the idea of me being paid $90 per kid who signs up.... so, I have the potential of making anywhere from $0 - $990, as I am capped on the amount I can make... the $990 cap was his idea. I accepted. I expect that I have a realistic cap of $180 - $270, with me also, possibly, signing up a lids party or two in the future from a parent who sees me.
 
shanefrom302 said:
How about you dj the event for free, in return your daughter(s) have a few free months of tkd!!!!
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did something similar for the last few years of my daughter's dance classes.
I ran the sound for the Spring Recital
in return for a few hundred bucks off their tuition.

they never felt like they were "paying" me to do it...
so I was much more "appreciated" for my efforts.
 
DJ Auntie M said:
rickryan.com said:
SMACK!!!

Pap shared an innovative idea. If it works, this could be replicated into ALL of our areas (I'll certainly try it). And you wanna diss on him for it?

SMACK!!!

Ouch - that hurt! It was a diss and totally out of line - Did not quite understand if he was offering a free gig or asking to be paid? I read his post last evening prior going to bed and was tired - Read it again this morning and the other posts and I see where he is going with this. The bragging part was - oh well nevermind - if you can make $1000 for a two hour event go for it - I personally don't know too many professions that are worth that kind of money. I also don't think the business would be willing to give up that kind of money - Might be glad to offer your original price per hour but not $500 per hour.
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See, that is the beauty of it all.. the more he pays me, the better it is for him, because that just means our promotion went very well for him.

Do the math. Say 2 kids sign up, and they stay with him for a year each. That is $2160 in his pocket, minus only $180 for me... And it doesn't cost him anything extra to have those kids in his class... his profit would be $1980. And he is still teaching those classes whether he has new kids or not... And many kids stay 5 years or more, not just one year. Now what is his profit?

See how this works? ( for both of us? )

That said, I am A - OK if I make zero dollars. I would love to make $180 or $270, but even that might be a stretch.

BTW, there is a 1 year contract for kids who sign up.
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Forget trying to make anything off of this gig!!!!!!!!!! What is the point if you have to turn right around and pay the man for your daughters tuition. Simply barter your services for his and get your daughter's a free 6 months for every party you throw for him.

If you have 2 daughters enrolled for 6 months thats $1,080. So at the end of the day you STILL end up paying out of your pocket for your daughters to stay in his program.

It makes no sense to me, why be willing to accept next to nothing if you have to give it right back to the guy? If you simply barter your services everyone wins. Plus you can still get all the footage and pictures you want, for when you DO market your idea to other martial arts schools.

I am not saying your idea is a bad idea, but if you have a child in that same program that you also have to pay a tuition for, why not just work out a deal and get your kids a few months free of charge for only 2 hours worth of your time. I totally think your idea is a great idea, just in a different scenario.

I also think you would have a better chance at getting half of the 1st months tuition, not 100%. They will love you more because you are bringing them new business and helping them save money too!

Bottom line, why make $0 - $1000 if you have to turn right around and give him all that money back for your own children to attend, or come out of your pocket if you do make zero. Imagine how pissed at yourself you would be if you do the event make $90 bucks and then have to turn around and give him that $90 back plus a few more months of tuition.
 
Shane,

If I do the event, and he gets NO NEW CUSTOMERS, that means he just gave me a deal and he got nothing. And he already agreed to 100% of the first month's tuition.

If I give it back to him, that's still from money I would not otherwise have had in my pocket.

But beyond all this, is, if it works here, I may have found a cool way to make money at other martial arts schools...

I'm sticking to my plan. And the instructor likes the idea... so....
 
Ok well now that you mention that he already agreed to 100% thats very cool of him!!! BUT lets say he makes no new customers, now your the one who just gave him a deal and got NOTHING!

Whatever happen to the cost of doing business, he isn't getting nothing, he is getting a professional dj who specializes in kids events for his business that has a focus on kids.

C'mon how do you go from being "worth" something, to now you feel bad because if he may not gain any new customers. I bet you he could care less if you walk home empty handed. Isn't your time and skill alone worth something, don't feel bad if he doesn't make any money, feel bad when YOU do not make any money.

Thanks for all your clarification and honest replies.

Over and out, the last of my 2 cents on your situation. To each his own.
 
Papa Deuce said:
But beyond all this, is, if it works here, I may have found a cool way to make money at other martial arts schools...
I'm sticking to my plan. And the instructor likes the idea... so....
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but you would only make money from OTHER schools if it works out!
and IF it works well for your daughter's school...
there's no guarantee that it would ALSO work for the other schools...
since there are only so many potential new martial arts students out there!
How many times have you seen two organizations (school fundraisers)
that tried to sell the same frozen pizzas at the same time?
Usually, the organization that knocks on doors FIRST is the one that sells!
Also, if you create something wonderful for this teacher,
how well is he gonna treat you when he finds out you're gonna do the same thing for all of his competition?
 
Ausumm said:
how well is he gonna treat you when he finds out you're gonna do the same thing for all of his competition?
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Who knows? But as a business owner, I am sure he knows that I need business too. And not only his business.
 
shanefrom302 said:
Ok well now that you mention that he already agreed to 100% thats very cool of him!!! BUT lets say he makes no new customers, now your the one who just gave him a deal and got NOTHING!

SNIPPED



Over and out, the last of my 2 cents on your situation. To each his own.
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OK, I am 100% prepared to make nothing, because before I knew he was looking to get enrollment up, I was prepared to do it for free for just the kids in the class. Then I thought maybe I could help us both out.

:)
 
Ok so what happened to:

"I was going to do it 100% for free, but then thought, "Why should I do it for free, while they TKD teacher could possibly make many thousands of dollars over the lifetime of these kids joining his school?""

Now your saying "Then I thought maybe I could help us both out." You have admitted that doing this for free is for the birds in the OP!

I just don't understand the logic behind providing your services for free to someone you have to pay a monthly tuition too. From the start you should have traded your services for his. After realizing that you were getting screwed you thought up a way to make money and market to other martial arts businesses, thats fine and dandy, FOR THOSE OTHER SCHOOLS. For this guy who teaches your daughters tkd and charges you monthly, you need to charge him or make it an even exchange (his service for yours)!!!

Am I the only one on ODJT that thinks giving away your dj service to a guy you pay a monthly tuition too is insane?

I don't even wanna hear this mr. nice guy talk, let's be real about it. You realized that you could potentially make him a huge amount of money over time and now you want a piece of the pie! You may have started with good intentions but according to your OP you had a change of heart after you had a moment to calculate his potential earnings over yours($0).

lol I give up man, somehow you made me come back when I said I wasn't. I just feel like :deadhorse:

Papa I'm not trying to argue with you, don't take it the wrong way or anything I am just stating my opinion just like you have stated yours.

Friends? :triwink:
 
With a lot of Martial Arts Studios a contract is signed and they might not be able to barter on a per month basis since monetary amounts per month are usually spelled out. Without seeing the original contract for martial arts lessons that was signed it's kind of hard to tell what the dojo can or can't do in a barter situation. :dontknow:
 
shanefrom302 said:
Papa I'm not trying to argue with you, don't take it the wrong way or anything I am just stating my opinion just like you have stated yours. Friends? :triwink:
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But Shane, you ARE busting his chops, even after you'd already said you gave your "last word" on it. What he's doing is smart, smart thinking. If it works, it's a win-win situation that can be replicated to any school(s) in driving distance. Not to mention, this won't conflict with regular gig time. He could stack these on top of any regular weekend gigs. It's an incredibly smart concept.
 
rickryan.com said:
But Shane, you ARE busting his chops, even after you'd already said you gave your "last word" on it. What he's doing is smart, smart thinking. If it works, it's a win-win situation that can be replicated to any school(s) in driving distance. Not to mention, this won't conflict with regular gig time. He could stack these on top of any regular weekend gigs. It's an incredibly smart concept.
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I should have just stayed away, lol.


Seriously Papa, I am not trying to cause any tension or anything like that. I just think you deserve to be compensated for your time. Sorry if I got you worked up or anything but from our exchanges you seem pretty cool and willing to at least hear me out.

You either agree or disagree, it's that simple. I agreed his idea is a good one in general, but disagree in this particular situation just because he has to pay this same guy monthly for his services, why not get paid for your services too.

That's like providing a free block party for your landlord even though you pay your rent every month. Wouldn't you like to at least get a discount or a free month of living rent free?

I'm done. For real this time

It's ok to not agree all the time fellas.
 
After reading the entire thread, I am in complete support of this idea. I think the idea, regardless of how well thought out it was, is a great idea that has many potential benefits.

For the Martial Arts School - They set themselves apart by providing a fun party for the students and their friends. They have the potential to sign up new students, and at the very least get exposure with "new" kids and parents. They are out NO money should no one sign up, and have no real risk or cost for this event (at least when it comes to the DJ).

For the DJ - Where do I start, the benefits are incredible. He already stated that he does TONS of kids events. He is putting himself out there in front of kids, and of course some parents as well. He has the potential of making good money for a 2 hour event on a Saturday afternoon.

Some problems I see need addressing, if not done already - What if the kids decide to sign up 2 weeks later, or a month later. I would hope they are offering some kind of special for signing up THAT DAY. I also see a conflict of interests with doing this type of event for every school in the area. Some sort of agreement should be in place that states you will not provide similar services for any school within "X" miles from the school you are in agreement with.


Oh, and by the way...I see absolutely no problems with making $500/hour, $1000/hour or even more. Since when is making money something to be questioned? I just didn't understand that whole part of the thread at all???
 
shanefrom302 said:
. I just think you deserve to be compensated for your time..
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You guys are thinking like hourly rate people. Sometimes you have to take a chance it's called risk and reward. Papa's willing to take the risk and there could be a huge reward....or nothing

I've done alot of "risk" gigs and more often than not it worked well for me.

Good luck Papa and thumbs up for thinking outside the box
 
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