How Bush will con us into Iran
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Almost as bad as that seething, obsessive, Hillary-hatred.
IMHO, they all suck, so it doesn't matter.
Vladimer, Jintao, Chavez and MakMood are gonna take over anyway. I'm studying foreign languages in my spare time
yes we do.
Our Budweiser, Coors etc are all better different recipe and more alcohol content.
Heck, the Rusky's are gonna get you guys first -- you got better beer
Sam Adams aside
Our Budweiser, Coors etc are all better different recipe and more alcohol content.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/14/arts/television/14air.html
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We have got to get these Ivy League idiots and oil company barons out of the executive branch of our government. Honestly, the Bush family has demonstrated so much incompetence over the years, I am surprised that anyone takes them seriously.
An even scarier thought, though ~ First Husband Bill Clinton.
America has lost international support for the Iraqi war. Our allies see the futility and have decided to move on. The majority of Americans do not support this war. The Iraqi leadership (if one wishes to call it that) has become accustomed to being protected by American armed forces and has taken little initiative to manage the governing of their own country. The death toll continues to increase.
This is a part of the world that has been at war in some form or another for thousands of years. It's not gonna change in our lifetimes.
To take on Iran, now or in the forseeable future would be political suicide.
An even scarier thought, though ~ First Husband Bill Clinton.
America has lost international support for the Iraqi war. Our allies see the futility and have decided to move on. The majority of Americans do not support this war. The Iraqi leadership (if one wishes to call it that) has become accustomed to being protected by American armed forces and has taken little initiative to manage the governing of their own country. The death toll continues to increase.
This is a part of the world that has been at war in some form or another for thousands of years. It's not gonna change in our lifetimes.
To take on Iran, now or in the forseeable future would be political suicide.
I think Bush will go out with a bang! He will attack Iran. He has nothing to lose. He is the worst president in my lifetime!
While we have been conned into many wars (think the Tonkin incident for 'nam), short of something similar to 9/11, that can be directly blamed on Iran, or a direct attack by Iran, he can't go into Iran.
Bottom line is...there is a presidential election approaching and he needs congressional approval to declare war on another country. Republicans would like to remain in the White House and the Dems would like to take it back. Nobody is going to fall for his crap again (short of the above situation). And if he did make a move without congressional approval he would be removed from office (by his own party no less) so fast it would make your head spin.
On certain issues, he is already a lame duck. This is one of them. He can stretch out his mess in Iraq, but nobody is going to let him start something new. The military would even object...and they love to go to war, it increases their budget and keeps them relevant. They know they are already stretched way too thin and have been embarrassed enough in the past to enter a losing situation.
Bottom line is...there is a presidential election approaching and he needs congressional approval to declare war on another country. Republicans would like to remain in the White House and the Dems would like to take it back. Nobody is going to fall for his crap again (short of the above situation). And if he did make a move without congressional approval he would be removed from office (by his own party no less) so fast it would make your head spin.
On certain issues, he is already a lame duck. This is one of them. He can stretch out his mess in Iraq, but nobody is going to let him start something new. The military would even object...and they love to go to war, it increases their budget and keeps them relevant. They know they are already stretched way too thin and have been embarrassed enough in the past to enter a losing situation.
I can only hope you are right, but he will definitely do all he can to attack them if he can.
http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2007/10/senate_vote_on_iran.php
BTW...something you never hear about much...
Quick history lesson, in a nut shell...You all know we (well, the CIA) basically put Saddam in power way back when. We were a major ally and weapon supplier until we figured out that he was insane, so we started an alliance with Iran which lasted roughly until the hostage crisis. To this day, a good portion of Iran's air force are american built F-14s (think Topgun). Yes, technically these are "outdated" aircraft that we have since replaced in our own air force...however the F-14 is still one of, if not the best air fighter ever built. In the hands of an experienced pilot it could give even a modern F-18 a run for it's money. And Iran is said to have a well trained air force. It would be the first time we have ever fought against our own weapons. However, Iran does face the issue that nobody can/will supply them with replacement parts. Which is why they are heavily into the russian Mig-29...another great air fighter, the russian equivilent of our F-15. But I digress...
Quick history lesson, in a nut shell...You all know we (well, the CIA) basically put Saddam in power way back when. We were a major ally and weapon supplier until we figured out that he was insane, so we started an alliance with Iran which lasted roughly until the hostage crisis. To this day, a good portion of Iran's air force are american built F-14s (think Topgun). Yes, technically these are "outdated" aircraft that we have since replaced in our own air force...however the F-14 is still one of, if not the best air fighter ever built. In the hands of an experienced pilot it could give even a modern F-18 a run for it's money. And Iran is said to have a well trained air force. It would be the first time we have ever fought against our own weapons. However, Iran does face the issue that nobody can/will supply them with replacement parts. Which is why they are heavily into the russian Mig-29...another great air fighter, the russian equivilent of our F-15. But I digress...
yes, i'm sure bush is sitting around trying to figure out how he can go to war with iran....why not?
is it because that will make all his oil buddies rich?
if The US does go to war with Iran(and i hope we don't have to), is it possible that it's because Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, and that Iran would have no problem giving terrorists nuclear weapons that could be used elsewhere in the world?
that couldn't be it
Maybe it's a good idea to just sit back and let these maniacs do what they want. That was the thinking in 1940...that we didn't want war....so we let hitler violate every treaty that germany signed and millions of people died, including about 500,000 americans.
great idea!
Everything would be super cozy and nice if bush wasn't trying to make his oil buddies rich..or maybe he just loves war.
THINK!!
is it because that will make all his oil buddies rich?
if The US does go to war with Iran(and i hope we don't have to), is it possible that it's because Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons, and that Iran would have no problem giving terrorists nuclear weapons that could be used elsewhere in the world?
that couldn't be it
Maybe it's a good idea to just sit back and let these maniacs do what they want. That was the thinking in 1940...that we didn't want war....so we let hitler violate every treaty that germany signed and millions of people died, including about 500,000 americans.
great idea!
Everything would be super cozy and nice if bush wasn't trying to make his oil buddies rich..or maybe he just loves war.
THINK!!
Scott, if Iran is indeed developing nukes (and I don't mean power plants), then by all means they need to be stopped.
I don't think however that I want to take the Bush administration's word on it after the lies they told us so we could go into Iraq.
Is it about oil? I don't know, but I know tht a lot of oil companies and Haliburtons, Blackwaters & Raytheon's and others have profited quite handsomely from the Iraq war.
Diplomatic efforts are they way to go, and I don't see much evidence of that. All I hear is W, Condi, and Bolton beating a drum for war.
We stand in a good position to have the support of the UN with regard to Iran, but Bush wants to dismiss them as inept. Hell, even France is coming around.
We can't just go around the world bombing those we don't like with trumped up evidence. I say get the proof, try forcing them to change course through diplomatic efforts, & sanctions. If that doesn't stop them, then fine, go make a parking lot out of them.
john,
please remember that bush did not trump up this stuff about Iraq. Bill Clinton said that he was convinced that Saddam had WDM when when he left office. Not only did the intelligence that Clinton used suggested Sadam had WMD, Saddam continually disregarded treaties that he signed after the 1st gulf war and kept out inspectors at times. Saddam was supporting terrorists and certainly would have allowed terrorists to flee Afghanistan and set up shop in Iraq.
We used sanctions for a decade......i think that is very diplomatic.
Personally, I believe Saddam was behind getting people to think he had weapons of mass destruction. I think he felt safer that way. In his thinking, if he allowed the world to know that he didn't have these great weapons, he would be attacked........he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
As I said before, if this was all a big con job by bush, why would he stop short of planting WMD's in Iraq?
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