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PATS Aircraft, a custom jobber shop for private jet mods in Delaware is expanding due to ever increasing demand for customized private aircraft. The plant will be expanded and many new hires will be needed.

Corporate buyouts and mergers are on the upswing again. Billions of dollars are changing hands and shareholders are reaping the dividends.

Home forclosures are at the highest rate ever seen in this country with more to come. American Home and a couple of other huge lenders have gone bankrupt due in part to losses sustained from subprime lending. The banks are stuck with thousands of portfolios that won't sell because people don't have the money to buy them.

What's going on? Has the distribution of wealth become so slanted that average Americans can't even afford to make their mortgage payments? :dontknow:

Thoughts?
 
For the last 20 plus years the decline of the middle class in America has been predicted. In Canada we are a little behind on the race to the bottom but we are catching up. In the next 10 years there are only going to be the wealthy and the poor. The rising price of necessities combined with the steady price of wages is going to cause a recession if not a depression.

The $100 Billion war in Iraq will cause oil prces to keep rising and causing inflation to rise and combined with the money spent on the war there will be no extra to stimulate the economy or help the poor

The rich will do OK. They are invested in the right areas. The poor will still be poor, there will just be alot more of them. the middle class..Who are they?
 
Um-kay, now that I'm feeling a little better ;)

What was the question???











Oh, wait, I remember now -- Why is the world so messed up?

ABBA

Yep, you heard it here first, ABBA started the whole mess. I think it was that Waterloo song...

Waterloo, as commonly referred to, means where you met your match. In this case, people are trying to create a boom looking market, in order to quell the real problems at hand.

The real problem, is we overshot the hoop...

We grew too fast, and refused to put on the brakes!

We adopted technology too fast, and farmed out all our 'farming' chores. We became a land of investors, not workers. By forcing the corporations to produce record profits year after year, we gave away all our jobs, all our infrastructure.


We can now only afford to live, by borrowing from ourselves... :sqwink:

Nero, eh... Ahhh, never mind :sqlaugh:
 
Aah..but you can turn this situation around to work in the positive for you as a DJ.

This is what we have done. A couple of years ago we decided to go after the "Very wealthy" market. Why...because they have all the money and a recession doesn't effect them. They will party and spend big bucks whether the economy is up or down. This has been one of the best moves we have ever done.

Tomorrow we are doing sound, lighting and staging for the featured performance of Sandra Bernhard at the Greenwich Polo Club as well as providing DJ CH and dinner music. It's a benefit and auction that is held every year to raise money for the Teen Center account we have. Tables are $50,000. for a table of 10 and they are sold out with 200 guests expected. (Guess what...this is a tax right off for the rich attendees)

The function is being held under a tent and early this morning we towed a generator there for tomorrow. (My Son is working a college job this afternoon and tonight). After the afternoon performance and lobster dinner the guests will watch a Polo match as the tent is right next to the field.

At past auctions I have seen the bidding go as high as $40,000.for a tree house for their kids. (again...tax right off as money goes to the Teen Center).

You may have to travel a distance to work these jobs, but I'm sure most everyone has a wealthy area within 75 miles of their house. It will help to make your business recession free. Once you get in...you will be the entertainment company everyone calls.

I'm going to take pix tomorrow and I will post them.
 
I think the biggest problem has been people do not realize what their true limitations are when they have a credit line. Yes there are up and downs in the financial world, but I'll say it again DEBT is the biggest problem and when people lose their jobs for whatever reason sometimes they fall too far behind and they simply can't catch up.

Now this problem is not limited to one or two people in an area, it usually involves a large part of the community. Then you have the rich folks that are crooks and destroy the lives of their employees, for example ENRON. It's really disturbing.
 
Well... this thread isn't specific to DJ or entertainment companies. I'm thinking about your average Jane and Joe Lunchbox.

The cost of living is rising faster than the average American's ability to pay for it. We can't expect the guv'mint to bail us out. Guv'mint ain't bailing out the banks.

For my part, I think it's sad that millionaires are being born every day and can place orders for customized private jets while factory workers in a chicken plant that's located in the same area ~ Georgetown are fortunate to have mimimum wage jobs. Working for Frank Perdue chopping up chickens all night so they can afford to live in a trailer park. :rolleyes:

Yet the ordinary working class can't make enough money to cover their mortgage payments? :confused:

Something is very wrong with this.
 
The cost of living is rising faster than the average American's ability to pay for it. We can't expect the guv'mint to bail us out. Guv'mint ain't bailing out the banks.

Government cant afford to bail themselves out let alone anyone else. This might be the first time in history a depression was causd by a war instead of solve by a war
 
Big money is thinking it's going to get better. Here in Fla. the condo fiasco has put a lid on new home sales. The commercial side is booming! A new bank, resturant or shopping mall on every corner.
Wages for the average worker, already low in our "right to work " state are getting lower while the price of everything rises.
I suggest a contengincey plan such as Johnny has put out there. You must be as versitle a business man as a dj!
Some saw this coming a long time ago. 2010 is a date given as to when things will be getting better. But thats only a date.
 
the way I look at it, I'm glad there are millonaires being born everyday that can place orders for customized jets because that creates jobs. If these people were not rich, It would not help people that can only find minimum wage work.....it would only hurt them because there would be more people competing for those minimum wage jobs.
The wealthy pay a HUGE portion of our taxes and not having them around would erode the tax base. The wealthy are also the biggest employers, so not having them around would cause even more unemployment.
As mentioned earlier, the wealthy spend money on things like custom jets, huge parties, custom cars....WHICH MEANS JOBS AND TAXES.
While I'd like to be one of them, i'm certainly not, but I am very glad when I hear about them spending.....it's a good thing.
I was reading an article a few years ago. A rich business owner was giving a lecture at a college...and told about the $500,000 custom car he had bought the past week. A student stood up and said how wasteful that was. The business owner said,"Son, the place i bought the car from makes and sells about 100 cars a year. Every car they sell means they can keep more employees....how many jobs did you create this week?"

the only way I can see to really help the poor is to help them become more attractive to employers. There are a lot of jobs out there for people that can sell, represent, and communicate.
 
Do I have to keep this to 500 words or less???:sqwink:

Short version.

7 deadly sins have played havoc with this Country.

We (overall) have become a greedy, self centered, self righteous, lazy, morally questionable, "feel good" society. We (overall) don't respect, nor truly appreciate everything we do have.

We haven't learned a damn thing from history. Check out Roman history. We are following their game plan nicely.

End result??? Destruction from within.

Personally, I am not looking forward to the "future" with much enthusiasm.

There isn't many left that really know what it is like to go to bed hungry, not have a home, literally live paycheck to paycheck.

So, were broke??? hmmm...

(not directed at any "one" person... Just food for thought)

How often do we "eat out" a month? Do we really need high speed cable internet? How many tv's do we own? Cable or satellite? How many cars? How many square foot home? Central heat? Central Air? How new is your furniture? How much "golf" do you do a month? How many computers? Cell phones? Ipod? xbox? etc.etc.etc.

Stop and take a deep look at what you really have!!!

Is it really that bad? Or is it that we don't appreciate what we do have and continue to waste on "things" that we "think" will make us happy and kept up with the "jones" family???

Or..

Maybe your trying to be the "jones" family???

Like I said earlier... I am not looking forward to the future, but in a morbid way, I welcome it.

Maybe it will make the "US" realize what really is important.
 
I think the big problem is consumers. Yes, you and me.

Consumers drive the demand for the cheapest possible products. Mass retailers like Wal-Mart who "speak" on behalf of millions of consumers, force other companies to lower prices. How do these big companies lower prices? Send the work overseas, pay minimum wage to the workers over here whilst making them pay a larger portion of their benefits package out of pocket. All in the name of driving prices lower for you and me.

Minimum wage is not a liveable wage. It used to be minimum wage jobs were only for high school drop outs, undesirables, and people who generally weren't too smart. Yet, "undesirable" workers could carve out a living for themselves, doing simple repetitive jobs. They would have a health insurance & pension plan, and over time with seniority they would move up the ladder to supervisor of their area and make a couple dollars more an hour.

Now, employers want you to have a high school diploma to pump gas and even with a high school diploma half of these kids still cannot make change. :sqerr:

Recently, I applied for a job at a prefab (modular) home company. My neighbor works there and I mentioned I was in the job market again, he said they're looking for some roofers. Admittedly, I have very little construction experience and I told him so but he says just put my name down as a reference, it'll get you in the doorMfor an interview. Long story short, I get the interview the guy explains I'll be nailing plywood down to rafters to form the roof, then stapling tar paper over it. Simple enough, right? So, we get to part where he asks about my education. I explain I left school but got my GED and scored in the 95% percentile. I've taken a some college courses but don't have a degree.

The interview stopped cold. "Oh, we want our workers to have college degrees." I really though the guy was kidding, so I said what exactly do I study to learn how to nail down plywood with an air gun? His answer was we don't care what the degree is in, we just want you to have one.

:confused: A college degree to nail down plywood? :wtf: Herein lies another problem for poorer people jobs are asking for college degrees where they never did before. College costs money, for those of us that don't have Mommy & Daddy to pay our tuition, books, food, and car insurance while we attend college we're at even more of a disadvantage. Poor getting poorer.

It's a vicious cycle, poor people demand low prices. Big companies deliver the lower prices but on the backs of poor people by cutting wages, lessening benefits, or moving jobs overseas. The rich are unaffected and still see profits.
 
There isn't many left that really know what it is like to go to bed hungry, not have a home, literally live paycheck to paycheck.

I got to disagree with you here Dan. The best count they can get on the Homeless population is a little over 2 million in the USA right now. Thats like the whole population of Houston Texas or the best part of Chicago being homeless and theres alot more than that that didn't break bread at suppertime tonight

Poverty is at an all time high....And so is wealth. Alot of people that were Lower Middle Class and Middle Class are now in the poverty range...The working poor

The Upper Middle Class are now what the middle class used to be and saving for thier retirement will steadily become harder and harder most will eventually become LMC
 
PATS Aircraft, a custom jobber shop for private jet mods in Delaware is expanding due to ever increasing demand for customized private aircraft. The plant will be expanded and many new hires will be needed.

Corporate buyouts and mergers are on the upswing again. Billions of dollars are changing hands and shareholders are reaping the dividends.

Home forclosures are at the highest rate ever seen in this country with more to come. American Home and a couple of other huge lenders have gone bankrupt due in part to losses sustained from subprime lending. The banks are stuck with thousands of portfolios that won't sell because people don't have the money to buy them.

What's going on? Has the distribution of wealth become so slanted that average Americans can't even afford to make their mortgage payments? :dontknow:

Thoughts?


The same thing that happened in '98 when everybody was talking about how great the economy was- though it was in the crapper. NO real money or economic stimulation out there.

In 1998 the indicators ( unemployment, business start ups, and the stock market) looked great! Except: Unemployment was down because so many people were given severance packages to accept layoffs. This money went into start ups, usually dot.coms, so new businesses looked good, and bringing up the stock market. BUT: The startups had no real assets and produced no real income, thus not stimulating the economy. In other words, the "great" economy was based on false indicators. When it became apparent that dot.coms were of no intrinsic value, the stock market crashed, the companies went out of business, and the severerance packages were used up.. Although the "crash" did'nt become evident for a few years, it actually happened around 1996. During 1998 ( the "good" year ) Personal bankruptcies and layoffs were at an ALL-TIME
record high, but unless it was happening to you, you wouldn't know as the guv was using the wrong indicators. Move ahead to now:


There are certainly some big sales of corporate and private assets right now- but these sales are deeply discounted. Ask yourself why the corporations are selling off these divisions and assets in the first place. They weren't showing a profit. How many of the buyers are, once you get through the paperwork, overseas?


Yes, many manufactures and maintainance companies of large scale items are still doing well. The cost and time for shipping keep them more profitable here than overseas. ( Don't know if all of the PARTS are being fabricated here though. I rather doubt it. I think it's mostly final assembly work here)

Unfortunately the same can't be said for most manufacturing and design, especially in the electronics biz- my bailiwick.

New technology? In the 50's it was the transister. In the 60's it was Space technology, The birth of a somewhat useable computer, TV upgrades. In the 70's it was the switch from analogue to digital technology, and new chips everywhere. In the 80's it was the 'modern" computer, fit for the individual consumer, along with Easylink ( a precursor to the internet). in the 90's it was the cell phone. END OF NEW TECHNOLOGY. Since the invention of the cell, all else has been upgrades (iPods are a mix of old cell and computer technology) Each new breakthrough gives the economy a kick in the butt. However, we are on decade two with NOTHING. Old technology gets cheaper and cheaper as it's copied by generic overseas companies, eventually adding nothing to our faltering economy.


Real estate? A house that goes for 180,000 in Florida goes for 550,000 in northern NJ. It's not the materials or labor- it's what the market will bear. As people make less money, the market bears less.

Bars? My Thursday night gets packed, yet sometimes they barely have my pay in the register. Why? Everyone's using credit cards. Fine. However, after a few years of that, and lower income levels, you can guess what happens.


In other words folks, using the REAL indicators, our economy is probably in the worst shape, and has been for the longest time in our country's history. Due to econic safeguards put in place since the Great Depression, an individual may not suffer the same way as they did then, but we ARE in deep doo-doo.

....and oh, yes, no one to blame but ourselves. Looking for the cheap and easy way, yet still wanting the best, and a national work ethic that seems to to be disappearing..
 
Well quite a bit has already been said....When you see times like this the cry goes out for some type of a "Redistribution Of Wealth", understandably true.

Many countries, civilizations have tried a more socially equitable distribution of the wealth...."SOCIALISM". That has also failed, in many instances, and in others is working to some extent, but it does not accomplish the "Redistribution of Wealth". Wealth then is held in the hands of the government, politicians....still no re-distribution to the "Have Nots"

The one thing I think the younger generation is a lot smarter then those of us on or heading to social security, is they are thinking about their futures, and are not depending on Uncle Sam, they have their 401K's, working they are shareholders in those Mergers & Acquisitions you are seeing these days, the new "Private Equity" groups gobbling up companies like Chrysler.

Problem though it's these same individuals that may lose their homes because of the aggresive "Real Estate" industry, that told them they could afford the house..."We will just lie about your income ...nobody will check it, it's OK ...everybody's doing it" And you don't have to worry about this "Interest Only" loan.... the property is going up so fast, you can re-finance later....great idea huh?

I guess there is no answer as long as we are beings who thrive and reward the notion "The Strongest Shall Survive" and the rest....???
 
As I understand, North Americans are the most productive people in the world. That is, we can produce the most with the least consumption. Yup, North America includes our Canadian neighbors. :)

Part of the issue... it costs more to live here. Them folks in Mexico work for a couple of dollars per hour and live three and four families to a house. They come here and try to do the same thing. It's gotten a lot of landlords in a lot of trouble around here due to the massive number of imported chicken plant workers. But the local folks don't want to work in the chicken plants. There's no money in it because people don't want to pay any more for food products.

While I agree that PATS' expansion is good for the state, it's not all that great for most workers who will continue to struggle to get by on their weekly paychecks. Factory work today is not the factory work our parents and grandparents knew. What little manufacturing that's left in this country is either considering a move to China or will do so in the future. It's just a matter of time.

In Dan H's case, I believe the guy was blowing smoke. That's what the folks at the labor department call screening out apps that are overqualified. You don't need a college degree to do roofing nor unstop a toilet if it comes to that. All ya need is a work ethic. Show up at the jobsite on time every day and do your best. Maybe things are different in NY. :dontknow:

Playtex Products was recently aquired by Energizer Holdings. According to the word, we'll be under the Schick brand. Playtex stock will no longer be traded on the NYSE. Will Energizer keep us here in Dover? They say they will. Wolfie sez it's a roll of the dice. I wouldn't lay any heavy wagers on it. Energizer has vast overseas markets.

It is very easy to move machinery and close manufacturing plants. I have seen this happen more times than I care to recall. Sunroc was the latest local victim.

Everywhere we go, Shirl and I see more and more stores and malls being built. Shirl's hometown, Sarver has seen a lot of this. Cam can tell you. All over the Pittsburgh area, there are more and more malls and big box stores being built.

Shirl likes to say they're building plenty of places for people to spend money... but nothing is being built for people to make it.

Thoughts?
 
Hmmm... The middle class of days past are now upper middle class. Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
 
Hello Fred, hello friends.

I must say, the topic is great and highly debatable. One must base an opinion like this on facts and statistics in order to render a valuable opinion. It used to be generations ago, that North Americans were "the most productive" people in the world, now let's face it, North Americans have become fat and lazy, codependent to chemical substances and have loss a sense of morality that once was so strong in this country, not to mention work ethics. People like Michael Moore have become millionaires just by pointing that out. Too much is being spent on entertainment.

The issue of immigration and xenophobic trend is increasinly growing, because it has become a continental problem. Though the fact may still remains that "Them folks in Mexico work for a couple of dollars per hour and live three and four families to a house", (I would change the "them" to "some" unless you've gone beyond the border towns). In reality, you can't blame the "messicans" for the economic troubles in the US, because let's suppose they all would do what you say, wouldn't it be worse if they all buy million dollar custom homes as soon as they get here? Reality is that they do the jobs you and I don't want to do. Why? Because Americans are fat and lazy. Let's kick all foreigners out, I mean all, not just Mexicans, and all would be left is the Native American Indians.

The economic problem now doesn't lay on labor or service. The problem lies on folks who would rather save a dime per item by buying products from China than investing it in their own country. The problem is that rather than "fighting for freedom" on a different country, and sponsoring a war that does not benefit anybody else than the oiling industry, our kids are being stripped from education dollars. The boundaries of freedom have been distorted by folks that can afford a private plane, because that is their ticket to freedom, and screw the poor working class. Let GM lay off massive amounts of people because they can manufacture their vehicles a lot cheaper outside the border.

Keep buying metals from China, keep buying items made in China, and very soon all of us will have to move there, and who cares we Americans are making a communist country who invest their money in weapons that they will later use against us.

The problem is not the working class, nor are the immigrants, the problem is that the richer gets richer and avoid paying taxes by using their knowledge of the law (precisely to know how to go around it). The problem is not the freedom of enterprise; the problem is the abuse of enterprise. Sure, let's build more Wal-Mart’s and kick the small m&p shops out of commission, bring more homedepots and lowes to each town, and let the poor hardward store owners fade into history.

Let's blame the trailer trash uh? after all, who will speak out for them? Blame the most deprived and attack your own kind so that the kids can have plane of their own some day. Isn't that the ticket?
 
"Least Cost Producer".....What does this mean? It means that any entrepreneur doing business anywhere in this world, and given their are multiple suppliers as well as competing entrepreneur's, the Entrepreneur will opt to the "Least Cost Producer", if they want to maximize their Production/Sales.

Yes "Production & Sales", Production equals jobs, Sales equal consumers. The problem in this country today is we have opened our borders to anything and everything, coming from everywhere. How about toys from China....sure they are cheaper but @ what cost?? This country will never be able to compete with the wage rates in some of these countries like China & India.

We need to tighten our borders restrict Imports.....Gee that sounds familiar...China restricts imports to their country to protect their local producers...novel idea?? Our Agriculture here in Ca. can not ship produce to China that Chinese producers supply to their economy.......interesting? What if we did the same here.......As Americans are we ready to pony up the additional dollars to "Buy American" ? If so that means wages must increase substantially....what do you think that would do to prices? And for discussion purposes, let say no profits were allowed...do you think prices would still rise dramatically?

Point is Profits are not the cause of our current dilemma, Profits as % of the overall price of goods and services, is rising at a much slower rate then the other costs associated with the production of Goods & Services.

Why can China get away with restricting it's borders to imports and We are scared to death as a country to do the same to the rest of the world.....There lies the answer to your dilemma..........