12" v.s. 15"

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Thanks! Right now I just gotta figgure out what tops to get. If I don't buy used, I might just pick up that demo pair you've got on eBay. I got to think of a way to explain this one to the mother.

Subs are coming in this week, and I have the feeling they're gonna make my EONs sound even more like crap, so I need to do something quick.

I'll tell you what. That demo pair is LIKE NEW. I don't think there is more than 1 hour of use on it, and NEVER pushed. Never had the opportunity. Warrantied like new.

Ben
 
Ugghh. I really REALLY want to buy these.

I keep all my money in my bank account, but have to use the mother's credit card, b.c. she won't let me get my own 'til I'm 18. Usually, I borrow the card and write her a check. She doesn't understand what I'm trying to accomplish and thinks I need to save the rest of my money, although I still have $2k+ of my own money to finish the sound aspect of my system.

I'll speak to her again tomorrow.
 
Send Ben a check ;)
 
Greets, Chris.

There's not much I can do to change your Mom's opinions so I'll respectfully demur. I'm sure she's a sweetheart and all... but she ain't gonna listen to this old dog. She's concerned about her son spending a lot of money on things she isn't familiar with.

Moms are funny like that... they'll give you the world as long as they're convinced that it's gonna be a good thing. :)

This is where your salesman ability comes in to play. You've been booking regular shows. Tell Mom this. Show her your success stories. Show her where the money has been invested. Take her along to the dances so that she can see what's going on. Heck, she just might want to get out there on the dancefloor and rip it up a bit herself. :)

Let her know that you need to spend it to make it, same as any business owner. She'll understand when she sees it.

When you get your system set up the way you want it, start paying on the CC bill with show proceeds.
 
Mom's will never change. Even if you're 50 they still see you as a 5 year old. You should have seen her face when she actually found out the cost of everything that is in my red Mustang.
Considering I own my own home, all my SUV's, cars and vacation home and have no children. She said I was nuts, my father just laughed his head off.

She will not get into the car and she once went to the race track with my father to take a look at what my other hobby was all about. When I yanked the front wheels 3 feet off the ground for 25 feet she almost had a heart attack.

Your mom is right about some things, you just have to explain to her that to make money you need to spend money ;)
 
Don't get mad at me, as I am new to this concept, but here's a stupid question:

Traditionally, with the passive speakers I've owned, I've used 1/4 TRS cables. So now I'm getting into this Speakon stuff, and am wondering, what is the difference between NL2 connectors, NL4 connectors, and NL8 connectors, and whch do I want? The subs are coming with 2 13g NL4 cables. Is that good?
 
Don't get mad at me, as I am new to this concept, but here's a stupid question:

Traditionally, with the passive speakers I've owned, I've used 1/4 TRS cables. So now I'm getting into this Speakon stuff, and am wondering, what is the difference between NL2 connectors, NL4 connectors, and NL8 connectors, and whch do I want? The subs are coming with 2 13g NL4 cables. Is that good?

I use Pro Co Fat Max cable for my passive subs. You should check this stuff out. Sweetwater has the best prices on it.
 
Traditionally, with the passive speakers I've owned, I've used 1/4 TRS cables. So now I'm getting into this Speakon stuff, and am wondering, what is the difference between NL2 connectors, NL4 connectors, and NL8 connectors, and whch do I want? The subs are coming with 2 13g NL4 cables. Is that good?

Can you really hear a difference in 1/4 and Speakon?
 
Don't get mad at me, as I am new to this concept, but here's a stupid question:

Traditionally, with the passive speakers I've owned, I've used 1/4 TRS cables. So now I'm getting into this Speakon stuff, and am wondering, what is the difference between NL2 connectors, NL4 connectors, and NL8 connectors, and whch do I want? The subs are coming with 2 13g NL4 cables. Is that good?

If those cables have 4 conductors, you can use them to pass signal to both your subwoofers and to your new tops if you want to. If you decide later to bi-amp the tops, you will need 4 conductor cables with NL4 connectors to carry both the high and low signal.

I stay with NL4 connections whether I am using 4 conductor or 2 conductor cable. It is easier to standardize and have all the same connectors.

If you later build the system to multiple subs and tops each side, you may find that using 8 conductor cable with NL8s and breakout panels would be advantageous.


Mike Pyle
Audiopyle Sound
[email protected]
707-315-6204
 
So, NL4 cable will fit all of my needs for now, even if I could get by with NL2?

Yes, I'd stick with NL4s until you need bigger. Most speaker cabinets these days have 2 - NL4 connectors mounted, and many amps are set up to send power from both channels out a single NL4 connector, or utilize the 2+ terminal for the negative conductor in bridge mode.

Having the matching connectors on all of your cabling will give you the maximum routing flexibility to do things like sending both the sub and high frequency in a single 4 conductor cable, or making one cable run to a main speaker then chaining to another with a delayed signal. With some planning you can minimize the cable runs needed for large events.


Mike Pyle
Audiopyle Sound
[email protected]
707-315-6204
 
I would suggest going with NL4 12 gauge cable to start. Many suppliers carry these already made up with Neutrik Speakon connectors.

If you can, try to keep cable length to a minimum. If you won't be needing 50 feet of speaker cable, don't buy 50 feet.
 
If you can, try to keep cable length to a minimum. If you won't be needing 50 feet of speaker cable, don't buy 50 feet.

Thats what I love about you Fred you always apply the KISS principle most try to over complicate things