Event Pacing - The key to the "Magic" (blog)

[djsarge]

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Canute has a business he runs through an agency so he really has someone else finding his events for him. He knows nothing of doing the real work needed to sustain his business. I also wonder if his NASA retirement supplies most of his living money.

 

[steve149]

Sarge Wins ...

 

[SoftJock Rick]

Can we make it 30 pages...?

 

[ahoustondj]

most of us here don't have to deal with wedding planners so that being said who gets the bridal party lined up, who introduces the wedding party, who informs the guests about what is going to take place THE DJ. If i don't make sure the bride is in the room i will look like a idiot introducing the bride and shes not around, so any way you look at it we as DJs have to make sure everything is in place. Canute if all you do is wait for some kind of a sign from someone to introduce or cut the cake or what ever it might be what are you doing basically nothing but being a human juke box and if thats the case open your mouth and ill drop 50 cents in and push b6 to hear my song

Really and truly what really is this discussion all about? So you don't use a Planner, well of course if you are charged with that duty then you have to do it. I choose to do only Weddings that use competent Certified Wedding Planners. Do you really think that ANYONE in their right mind will introduce someone if that person was not in the room, especially a highly visible Bride & Groom? I am hired for my skills as a DJ. I don't get the long lists of Play/Do Not Play Songs that I see some of you getting. Know why? Because I am proactive and am part of the initial selection of the important songs for the various parts of the Event. The rest is up to me. How does that equate into being a Jukebox?

By reading your post I will agree on one thing... I don't think that you "will look like an idiot"....I think you ARE an IDIOT for not understanding something that is so simple to understand. I do all kinds of Events, Clubs, Bars, Beach Parties, Yacht Parties, Corporate Functions, My Own Productions, Weddings (By Choice) Sound Reinforcement for small bands and other DJs etc. You guys who are arguing here only know one thing, Weddings! How boring! I generate the majority of my business and also have an Agency that gets me quality High Paying Gigs in Quality Lavish Venues. What is so difficult about that to understand? Only an idiot will have such trouble to comprehend such simple facts. You have proven yourself to be one! Sorry but I call it as I see it!

 

[steve149]

... I don't think that you "will look like an idiot"....I think you ARE an IDIOT for not understanding something that is so simple to understand.

Here we go again ..

 

[DJ SVO]

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[ittigger]

Is that crappola in the pot? As in stirring the crappola?

Looks like crap, smells like crap .. must be crap.

20 pages!!!!!

YEAAAAAAAAAAH!

Can we make it 30 pages...?

We can certainly try.

Here we go again ..

Looks like it.

Because I am proactive and am part of the initial selection of the important songs for the various parts of the Event.

Blah, blah, blah .. so does everyone else.

By reading your post I will agree on one thing... I don't think that you "will look like an idiot"....I think you ARE an IDIOT for not understanding something that is so simple to understand.

So we're back to name calling.

Only an idiot will have such trouble to comprehend such simple facts. You have proven yourself to be one! Sorry but I call it as I see it!

More name calling. Canute, you have become such a disrepectful, bitter person.

 

[Scott Hanna]

What is so difficult about that to understand? Only an idiot will have such trouble to comprehend such simple facts. You have proven yourself to be one! Sorry but I call it as I see it!

Canute, I do believe you are having a very hard time comprehending what most people here are trying to tell you.

 

[ittigger]

Canute, I do believe you are having a very hard time comprehending what most people here are trying to tell you.

After this much discussion, you believe he is?

 

[ahoustondj]

Canute, I do believe you are having a very hard time comprehending what most people here are trying to tell you.

No I am not! I understand their stance, been there done that. They do everything whether or not there is a Planner. They run around behind the other Professionals, if there are others, to see if they have done their job. I get all that.

They and I operate differently. They are the ones who refuse to understand the Weddings that I do take on. I don't have to do the things they are doing! They are trying to tell me it is still my job! It is NOT! Now why don't YOU tell me, what is wrong about what I do? What am I supposed to admit I am wrong in doing?

 

[Dan The Man]

At thing point I don't think anyone has any misunderstandings. It's delved into repeating oneself saying the other side doesn't comprehend meanwhile you have your fingers in your ear saying lalalalalala because you cannot be bothered to have respect for how someone else does business.

You do a little extra --- you're a push over.
You don't do a little extra --- you're a jerk.

Cannot we all have respect for one another's business practices without resorting to calling people idiots?

 

[ahoustondj]

At thing point I don't think anyone has any misunderstandings. It's delved into repeating oneself saying the other side doesn't comprehend meanwhile you have your fingers in your ear saying lalalalalala because you cannot be bothered to have respect for how someone else does business.

You do a little extra --- you're a push over.
You don't do a little extra --- you're a jerk.

Cannot we all have respect for one another's business practices without resorting to calling people idiots?

Well Dan, I don't know if your statement was directed to me or everyone but I used the word "Idiot" not as a name calling word but as a description of someone who even though were given a very concise explanation still does not get it. You are correct that is is a constant repeating of the same thing. They are doing something one way which I acknowledge exists. The problem is that I choose not to do Weddings where I would have to do what they are doing.

I mean what is so difficult about that to understand? Apparently they don't have Certified Planners in their area, so how could they know what it is like to just do the task for which you are hired and not have to worry about someone else's task! This is what Bob and I have been saying throughout the thread. I have one bloke demanding I say I am wrong. Wrong about what? That I recognize they are doing things that is not necessary for me to do? Am I supposed to push aside the Certified Wedding Planner, who is making just as much money as I am and in some cases more, and take over their job?

Yep some are quick to jump up and say I am name calling and being disrespectful. I will tell you what is disrespectful One member saying "I do u a solid and u discs me? EFF u, loser. ". That is not a description as part of a dialogue, it is a downright affront. We all know what is being said. Here is the Post: http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/42081-...ne-today/page2?p=525545&viewfull=1#post525545 I don't see the Goody Two Shoes objecting to that one! On the contrary they join in!

 

[Dan The Man]

Well Dan, I don't know if your statement was directed to me or everyone but I used the word "Idiot" not as a name calling word but as a description of someone who even though were given a very concise explanation still does not get it. You are correct that is is a constant repeating of the same thing. They are doing something one way which I acknowledge exists. The problem is that I choose not to do Weddings where I would have to do what they are doing.

I mean what is so difficult about that to understand? Apparently they don't have Certified Planners in their area, so how could they know what it is like to just do the task for which you are hired and not have to worry about someone else's task! This is what Bob and I have been saying throughout the thread. I have one bloke demanding I say I am wrong. Wrong about what? That I recognize they are doing things that is not necessary for me to do? Am I supposed to push aside the Certified Wedding Planner, who is making just as much money as I am and in some cases more, and take over their job?

Yep some are quick to jump up and say I am name calling and being disrespectful. I will tell you what is disrespectful One member saying "I do u a solid and u discs me? EFF u, loser. ". That is not a description as part of a dialogue, it is a downright affront. We all know what is being said. Here is the Post: http://ourdjtalk.com/threads/42081-...ne-today/page2?p=525545&viewfull=1#post525545 I don't see the Goody Two Shoes objecting to that one! On the contrary they join in!

It was directed at everyone not just you. Like most pissing matches both sides share blame.

However I do disagree with "idiot" not being used as name. Don't go Googling and posting a definition. I'm well aware of it's definition. Whether you said "Dan you're an idiot" or "Dan that's idiotic" it has the same net effect -- still meant to inflame and carry on the pissing match.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you choosing not to do weddings where you wind up doing some of what you consider planner duties. Hey it's your business! I think the problem lies with the belittling statements about those that do being people pleasers and basically chumps for carrying out others' duties. Therein lies the rub. Don't hate on other style of doing business and they won't hate on yours. Explain your way of doing business without the my way is better than yours spin on it. Your in a major city with big money being thrown around for planners, high end halls, etc most aren't - you have to remember that.

Don't think I'm picking on you Canute just pointing out what I perceive.

 

[mikemerlin]

I work at castles, mansions, etc and have done high end (and low end) weddings. I've worked with planners as well and am perfectly happy to work together. The issue with Houston's stance is that he abdicates all responsibility and leaves everything to the planner. When things aren't happening as planned that's a problem

 

[Scott Hanna]

No I am not! I understand their stance, been there done that. They do everything whether or not there is a Planner. They run around behind the other Professionals, if there are others, to see if they have done their job. I get all that.

They and I operate differently. They are the ones who refuse to understand the Weddings that I do take on. I don't have to do the things they are doing! They are trying to tell me it is still my job! It is NOT! Now why don't YOU tell me, what is wrong about what I do? What am I supposed to admit I am wrong in doing?

in my opinion, you say things like this....that you completely understand what people are saying, understand why they do things, understand they have different businesses. Then you tell them what they are doing is idiotic. Which, to me, suggests that you are NOT comprehending what they are telling you.

You have called what I do micro-managing, so ridiculous it ain't even funny, looking down on everyone I work with, think I am the only competent one. To me, that suggests that you are not even closely comprehending what I've told you.

Ive also tried to show you why people get ticked at you. You didn't seem to comprehend that at all either

 

[redhotdj]

I think you ARE an IDIOT

canute really DID I CALL YOU A idiot NO what the hell is wrong with you, is it something in the air or the water your drinking

 

[ahoustondj]

I work at castles, mansions, etc and have done high end (and low end) weddings. I've worked with planners as well and am perfectly happy to work together. The issue with Houston's stance is that he abdicates all responsibility and leaves everything to the planner. When things aren't happening as planned that's a problem

This is an example of complete foolishness. Of course all responsibility is left to the Planner. Thats is what they have been paid to do. When have you ever been to one of my events to know that things did not go as planned? I mean lets face it you are spouting foolishness. I am then supposed to subscribe to your way of thinking?

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in my opinion, you say things like this....that you completely understand what people are saying, understand why they do things, understand they have different businesses. Then you tell them what they are doing is idiotic. Which, to me, suggests that you are NOT comprehending what they are telling you.

You have called what I do micro-managing, so ridiculous it ain't even funny, looking down on everyone I work with, think I am the only competent one. To me, that suggests that you are not even closely comprehending what I've told you.

Ive also tried to show you why people get ticked at you. You didn't seem to comprehend that at all either

If they were real men they won't get ticked by simple words in the English language like "Idiot". Seems what we have here are boys not men.

 

[DJ Wes]

Guys. I think it all boils down to us wedding 'pros' have done enough weddings to know that someone must be in charge of the proceedings as they happen. If a wedding planner is there, great. They can be in charge AND TO BLAME if anything goes wrong. I've done weddngs where that has been the case. But when there is not a planner, who then steps in to take on that role. If you say 'no one', then it seems hard to believe that things wont start going astray i.e. dragging behind schedule, if there even is a schedule.

Canute, do you meet with your clients before the wedding to plan the music and itenerary? Every 'pro' I know does - except you.

 

[ahoustondj]

Guys. I think it all boils down to us wedding 'pros' have done enough weddings to know that someone must be in charge of the proceedings as they happen. If a wedding planner is there, great. They can be in charge AND TO BLAME if anything goes wrong. I've done weddngs where that has been the case. But when there is not a planner, who then steps in to take on that role. If you say 'no one', then it seems hard to believe that things wont start going astray i.e. dragging behind schedule, if there is even a schedule.

Canute, do you meet with your clients before the wedding to plan the music and itenerary? Every 'pro' I know does - except you.

Wes! I am surprised by you and your statement. Your last sentence is a COMPLETE LIE. Go back and read my many posts about meeting with the Client to take care of the Special Song Lists etc. Damn Dude, are you all ever going to take the time to read properly? Read Post #384 First Paragraph. How and when do you think these things happen? By mental telepathy!!!!!

You see, if you and the others had ever had a certified Wedding Planner as part of the Wedding Event you will know that the Planner sends everyone a copy of the itinerary. It all comes together like an Orchestra. You have the Musicians (Vendors) and the Conductor (The Planner), you follow the lead of the Planner. What you don't do is look at the other musicians to see if they are playing. Just do your part.

 

[rickryan.com]

Canute, I do believe you are having a very hard time comprehending what most people here are trying to tell you.

Scott, I keep trying to explain it, Canute doesn't have a comprehension problem. He has a character flaw that won't allow him to admit when he's wrong. We can go to 100 pages and he'll never, ever, ever admit it.