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You mentioned Pro about equipment being cheap I think. Either that or a DJ using cheap equipment. I don't what you use but to me what I use isn't cheap. Those 2 Yamaha powered subs and tops I bought cost me 3k. That's just for those alone. Never mind any other equipment and what it cost. To you that may not be a lot but to me that was a lot. Yet I felt that is what I needed so it would really sound good. Of course there is cheaper but I didn't want that. I wanted something that I knew I going to be proud to own and wanted to keep.

MIX, What about your music subscription cost, the taxes you have to pay on the income, why do you always respond to Just parts of post, please answer the question you are asked, We are all convinced you illegally download music, and dont pay taxes, please prove us wrong, by not responding to this question I will assume you are guilty.
 
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You mentioned Pro about equipment being cheap I think. Either that or a DJ using cheap equipment. I don't what you use but to me what I use isn't cheap. Those 2 Yamaha powered subs and tops I bought cost me 3k. That's just for those alone. Never mind any other equipment and what it cost. To you that may not be a lot but to me that was a lot. Yet I felt that is what I needed so it would really sound good. Of course there is cheaper but I didn't want that. I wanted something that I knew I going to be proud to own and wanted to keep.

I believe he meant that if you spread the cost of equipment (let's say $5000) over it's lifetime of use (say 5 years and 50 gigs per year for example = 250 gigs), the cost per gig for equipment (not factoring opportunity costs and financing, etc.) is about $20 per gig .. less if you do more of them, so there isn't a lot of impact.
 
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Wait a minute.
She called to say she couldn't afford $500, but they agreed on $450 ?
If that is what you are saying, the lady is not having a problem affording you,
she is manipulating you and just looking to grind you down.
Don't be surprised if she finds another reason to shave a few more dollars off the price at the gig!
 
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I believe he meant that if you spread the cost of equipment (let's say $5000) over it's lifetime of use (say 5 years and 50 gigs per year for example = 250 gigs), the cost per gig for equipment (not factoring opportunity costs and financing, etc.) is about $20 per gig .. less if you do more of them, so there isn't a lot of impact.

That, and the fact that it is not necessary to own the gear at all. If you charge $500 and spend $300 to rent - then you simply show up with your laptop and go home with that $200 net in your pocket. Your net will be whatever margin you add to the cost of staging the event. This is essentially what a club DJ does. That $300 gear payment (lease or debt) belongs to the club (client-side) not the DJ.

Most DJs don't think about generating net income - they are consumers, focused on buying gear and music THEN go looking for some way to earn the money back. They also distract themselves with "price" as a function of expenses; which it is not. Price is a function of consumer demand, demographics, and liquidity. Fail to realize that and understand your effective price before you run up expenses - and your smarter competitor with lower costs will run circles around you.

Why spend thousands of dollars on gear up front only to use it at a handful of events? Gear that gets consistently used can also be leased so that the expense of it pro-rates in line with gigs as they come in. This means you start earning net income right away instead of trying to pay off a gear debt.

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Wait a minute.
She called to say she couldn't afford $500, but they agreed on $450 ?
If that is what you are saying, the lady is not having a problem affording you,
she is manipulating you and just looking to grind you down.
Don't be surprised if she finds another reason to shave a few more dollars off the price at the gig!

You don't know that - her budget might have been $350 and she has already gotten the family/spouse to stretch for another $100.

Schools and colleges for example; often have purchase order limits - beyond that amount they can no longer use a discretionary funding process for the event. So, you have to know your customer, where the money comes from, and what their constraints are before you start making assumptions about how to price certain things. There are hard limits in the world so to target a certain kind of client and not understand where those limits are would be quite frustrating - but, you'd be blaming the wrong person for the situation.
 
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Pro I would rather own my own gear so I can get used to it and know what it can and can't do to give me a shot at my performing my best at a gig. Now seriously what would you be renting for $300.00?
 
Pro I would rather own my own gear so I can get used to it and know what it can and can't do to give me a shot at my performing my best at a gig. Now seriously what would you be renting for $300.00?


I can rent a bulldozer for less than $300 per day -- and they deliver it to The Farm, and pick it up when I'm done.

We used to rent all the time in the bands -- it was less expensive.
 
First, we have to assume he is telling the truth. I believe the job is really only paying 300-350 and nothing more if there is even a job.

Also Mix please answer the question on whether or not you buy your music legally or if you pay taxes. I know you will ignore the question because the answer to both is NO but have to give it a shot.

Do you think anyone on here takes anything you say seriously? You are worse then the Craigslist lowball DJs you like to talk about. You are a TAX CHEAT and a FRAUD.
 
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Pro I would rather own my own gear so I can get used to it and know what it can and can't do to give me a shot at my performing my best at a gig. Now seriously what would you be renting for $300.00?

What about the questions I asked about where you get your music and whether or not you pay taxes.

and most rentals rent at about 10% of retail so for $300 you should be able to rents about $3000 worth of gear
 
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Thankfully I haven't has an issue with equipment in a good while. Everything is working great. You're right because It cost me $400.00 for 2 sets of tires recently.

So what happens when you do have an issue? This is why you need a business plan if you don't know what it costs you to do a gig you can't price a gig

Balogny, DJ service is easily rendered without incurring much if any of the expenses you cite. Your model is very much out of date. This little corner of the world doesn't work that way anymore. Very few DJs need to operate according to your expensive business model - and the customers are very much aware of that fact!

Music - I spend more on shipping fees.
Equipment - Cheap and easily manageable, assignable, or outsourced.
Insurance - Less than an internet connection for general liability covering a Disc Jockey
Vehicle - I would still own a vehicle and with the added tax deductions it's not a big additional expense.
Phone/internet - You'd still have both even if you weren't a DJ - now you get a tax break.
Office
- Home office saves - with deductions and depreciation. U.S. Treasury effectively picks up 7% of my cost, plus a deduction for depreciation.
Advertising - matter of ability & resources, can do a lot of effective outreach with little or no money.
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You must have went to the mixmasterihavenobusinessplan school of business. Try selling that to a bank

I believe he meant that if you spread the cost of equipment (let's say $5000) over it's lifetime of use (say 5 years and 50 gigs per year for example = 250 gigs), the cost per gig for equipment (not factoring opportunity costs and financing, etc.) is about $20 per gig .. less if you do more of them, so there isn't a lot of impact.

Steve you hit it right on the head the problem is if you don't have the cash on hand after 5 years to re-buy or if something goes wrong in that 5 years you are either out of business or back in debt either to a bank or your personal account again
 
That, and the fact that it is not necessary to own the gear at all. If you charge $500 and spend $300 to rent - then you simply show up with your laptop and go home with that $200 net in your pocket. Your net will be whatever margin you add to the cost of staging the event. This is essentially what a club DJ does. That $300 gear payment (lease or debt) belongs to the club (client-side) not the DJ.

Most DJs don't think about generating net income - they are consumers, focused on buying gear and music THEN go looking for some way to earn the money back. They also distract themselves with "price" as a function of expenses; which it is not. Price is a function of consumer demand, demographics, and liquidity. Fail to realize that and understand your effective price before you run up expenses - and your smarter competitor with lower costs will run circles around you.

Why spend thousands of dollars on gear up front only to use it at a handful of events? Gear that gets consistently used can also be leased so that the expense of it pro-rates in line with gigs as they come in. This means you start earning net income right away instead of trying to pay off a gear debt.

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You don't know that - her budget might have been $350 and she has already gotten the family/spouse to stretch for another $100.

Schools and colleges for example; often have purchase order limits - beyond that amount they can no longer use a discretionary funding process for the event. So, you have to know your customer, where the money comes from, and what their constraints are before you start making assumptions about how to price certain things. There are hard limits in the world so to target a certain kind of client and not understand where those limits are would be quite frustrating - but, you'd be blaming the wrong person for the situation.

Of course I don't know. Of course there are thousands of scenarios.
It was just the first thought I had. It wasn't a satement of fact.
 
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I believe he meant that if you spread the cost of equipment (let's say $5000) over it's lifetime of use (say 5 years and 50 gigs per year for example = 250 gigs), the cost per gig for equipment (not factoring opportunity costs and financing, etc.) is about $20 per gig .. less if you do more of them, so there isn't a lot of impact.


Sorry Steve but MIX wouldnt know how to work that out at all


HE DOESN'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN
 
Forgot to say I had a job tonight. I have a job tomorrow night. Also one on Friday and Sat. Not one place said anything about changing the price. Oh Mix just so you know the all are paying double what you are getting and I do not have to bring gear.
 
Forgot to say I had a job tonight. I have a job tomorrow night. Also one on Friday and Sat. Not one place said anything about changing the price. Oh Mix just so you know the all are paying double what you are getting and I do not have to bring gear.
Good for you. Like I said this gig is paying $400.00. Also like I said this is the first time I've ever had a client do such a thing in all my years as a DJ. Some will try to get me to do the same amount of hours for a cheaper price. In the past I would make the mistake of lowering the price. As for music I buy mine online when it is needed. I don't have a music subscription as of yet. I'm looking into it along with getting insurance next month. For this gig I don't need any new music.

The client wants strickly some club music and classic soul like Barry White. None of the stuff her grand daughter would listen to. The music I have on file will do just fine. Sorry I should have said house music as to not confuse others on here thinking she wants booty shaker club music that the kids love. I'm old and when I hear club music from kids I think of something different then what they have in mind.

Now since you want to brag to the masses here exactly what are each one of those gigs that you have in a row? I'll be kind and not ask how much each one of those are paying you.
 
You can ask and I will be happy to share. Right after you tell us all when the last time you paid taxes for the DJ gigs you have done.
 
You can ask and I will be happy to share. Right after you tell us all when the last time you paid taxes for the DJ gigs you have done.


I'm not sure you can use tax as a reliable figure. As a corporation, I can write off just about everything, and take a small loss each year -- hence no taxes.

I haven't paid any taxes since 2008 I think -- and then I got it back as an incentive to build the economy.

So, I don't think you can use taxes as a basis, since there are so many loopholes available.


Music on the other hand, can get a bit sticky, as there are some hefty fines. If someone "borrowed" their buddies hard drive, made a copy and played them for commercial use -- they would be looking at hundreds of thousands in fines.
 
Good for you. Like I said this gig is paying $400.00.

Now it's 400?

As for music I buy mine online when it is needed.

Can you define "when it is needed"? Being that most of us are getting new stuff all of the time, staying current usually does have a significant cost .. and if you're not staying current, you will be left behind.

For this gig I don't need any new music.

The client wants strickly some club music and classic soul like Barry White. None of the stuff her grand daughter would listen to. The music I have on file will do just fine. Sorry I should have said house music as to not confuse others on here thinking she wants booty shaker club music that the kids love. I'm old and when I hear club music from kids I think of something different then what they have in mind.

Unless you have a do not play list that says no current / modern music and no requests, how could you possibly know what the guests want to hear?

I'll be kind and not ask how much each one of those are paying you.

You don't have to ask .. because he already told you

all are paying double what you are getting
 
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I'm not sure you can use tax as a reliable figure. As a corporation, I can write off just about everything, and take a small loss each year -- hence no taxes.

I haven't paid any taxes since 2008 I think -- and then I got it back as an incentive to build the economy.

So, I don't think you can use taxes as a basis, since there are so many loopholes available.


Music on the other hand, can get a bit sticky, as there are some hefty fines. If someone "borrowed" their buddies hard drive, made a copy and played them for commercial use -- they would be looking at hundreds of thousands in fines.

I believe you are allowed to run in a loss position for only a short period of time (no more than 2 years in a row if I recall) or it is no longer considered a business by the IRS. That may be different for corporations, but I know it has been used against sole proprietors.