Jeff with all due respect, I explained my case. The "ifs" and "buts" hold no relevance to the initial subject. Sure all what you posted above in blue may be true but that was not the conversation at the beginning of the thread.
The initial conversation was of photographers and the obstacles they face mainly due to people who are not pro photographers shooting pics everything I said was relevant to that and there were no ifs or buts so I guess we will have to agree to diagree