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[ahoustondj]

OK Smarty pants then what's a better term to use.

First you will have to answer a few questions.
Does your DJ Mixer have an on and off switch for the Mics or is it always on?
Does you mixer call for only one type of Mic, dynamic, Hi Z etc?
If you are using the wrong type of Mic on the wrong type of Mixer that can create problems.

 

[jokerswild]

First you will have to answer a few questions.
Does your DJ Mixer have an on and off switch for the Mics or is it always on?
Does you mixer call for only one type of Mic, dynamic, Hi Z etc?
If you are using the wrong type of Mic on the wrong type of Mixer that can create problems.

The mixer has On/Off

One is for the other is 1/4 unbalanced line in

 

[ahoustondj]

The mixer has On/Off

One is for the other is 1/4 unbalanced line in

OK then the Mic is never "Hot" unless you leave the switch in the "On" position. What are the Mic's specs you are using on THAT input and what does that Mixer/Input require?

 

[jokerswild]

OK then the Mic is never "Hot" unless you leave the switch in the "On" position. What are the Mic's specs you are using on THAT input and what does that Mixer/Input require?

Ok... let me rephrase since you don't like the term hot.... I am using EV RE-2 wireless headset and PGX24/SM58 handheld wireless systems.... or alternately a wired SM58 or Super 55... all good mics with high feedback resistance... however the first and only time I ever used my mics on my Denon x500 it squeeled like a pig being stuck in slaughter... but, plug into my external mixer and into one of the Line inputs and it was hunky dory... That's a hot mic in my opinion... I don't know what other term to use... I have all top quality mic systems either wired or wireless...

All I'm asking is those that have used or are using the mic inputs on their DN-MC6000 if they experience high feedback issues.

 

[ahoustondj]

I am using EV RE-2 wireless headset and PGX24/SM58 handheld wireless systems.... or alternately a wired SM58

That might" be your problem. Using one or more Wireless Mics from different Brands/Models tend to not play nice. For Instance I have 2 EV Re-2 Mics. I turn on the first one and let it automatically find the best Group and frequency, then I turn on the second one and manually choose the same GRP and assign the next frequency number after the first. If they had different Groups, they would conflict.
I would never go from a Live Mixer to a DJ Mixer. I let the DJ Mixer's Outputs go to the Live Mixer. You have better control from the Live mixer than you do the DJ Mixer. Most Good Quality Live Mixers come with Limiters, Gains, Volume and EQs.

 

[jokerswild]

That might" be your problem. Using one or more Wireless Mics from different Brands/Models tend to not play nice. For Instance I have 2 EV Re-2 Mics. I turn on the first one and let it automatically find the best Group and frequency, then I turn on the second one and manually choose the same GRP and assign the next frequency number after the first. If they had different Groups, they would conflict.
I would never go from a Live Mixer to a DJ Mixer. I let the DJ Mixer's Outputs go to the Live Mixer. You have better control from the Live mixer then you do the DJ Mixer. Most Good Quality Live Mixers come with Limiters, Gains, Volume and EQs.

I use to go that route actually.... and it may not be a bad route to try again. But, I've had real good success just using a small mixer for the mics and feeding that into an input on my DJ mixer...

I don't think it's a conflict in channel assignments as I've used these two mics together for a couple years now... and never a problem with cross talk or anything.... except that one time when I plugged in just the PGX system to my X500 mixer... ever since I've been gun shy of using it in this manor.

If I did I could set up in 4 Deck mode instead of 2 Deck and utilize more of the mixer's controller abilities.

 

[SoftJock Rick]

A hot mic to me has always meant one that has extremely sensitive pickup which generally translates to a higher tendency for feedback issues.

I agree on that term. Hot means very sensitive, not on/off.

 

[Jon Tuck]

I believe Ben would likely use the same terminology HOT!!

 

[ahoustondj]

I agree on that term. Hot means very sensitive, not on/off.

Go back and look at the many times that politicians have been caught saying things not realizing the Mic was on and you will often hear the News Media referring to "He did not know the "Mic was Hot" meaning it was on.

Read on my friend: You may learn something other than Web Development.\

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92993523

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/04/15/you-think-were-stupid-obama-caught-hot-mic

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/11/mike-duvall-isnt-alone-13_n_283580.html

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/reporters-caught-on-hot-mic-slamming-sarah-palin/

Would you like a few more?:trirolleyes:

 

[SoftJock Rick]

I think most of us with a military background, use the term in a certain way -- such as "that LZ is too hot right now".

With mics, I tend to use the simple terms "on air / off air".

 

[ahoustondj]

I think most of us with a military background, use the term in a certain way -- such as "that LZ is too hot right now".

With mics, I tend to use the simple terms "on air / off air".

That is YOU not most of the people. Believing I am God does not make me God (Well almost) :tribiggrin::tribiggrin::tribiggrin:

 

[SoftJock Rick]

That is YOU not most of the people. Believing I am God does not make me God (Well almost) :tribiggrin::tribiggrin::tribiggrin:

I'm happy to see the heat wave and drought, have not taken it's toll on your sense of grandeur... yorofl:


Perhaps I shouldn't have put the Canute voodoo doll out on the porch this summer -- BTW, how's yer hand...?

 

[ahoustondj]

I'm happy to see the heat wave and drought, have not taken it's toll on your sense of grandeur... yorofl:


Perhaps I shouldn't have put the Canute voodoo doll out on the porch this summer -- BTW, how's yer hand...?

My hand is fine

 

[DJBklyn]

I was a radio station chief engineer and I can tell you that a hot mic is one that is on.

As for the feedback being talked about that is more to do with the over all setup. adding an external mixer between the mic and the main board might add enough of a delay or gain/frequency drop to negate some of the feedback issues. I have always used feedback isolators when using a mic in front of the mains to cut back on issues, but improper speaker placement/mic location as well as the type of mic lead to most feedback issues.

If an identical setup with just the mixer changed causes a difference in feedback at identical levels, its probably because one mixer has a cleaner feed either from the mic or out the mains that can lead to certain frequencies feeding back.

If you have a processor that can do feedback isolation you could use it to see the frequencies that are causing the issues and see the difference between each mixer in the same setup/configuration

 

[ahoustondj]

I was a radio station chief engineer and I can tell you that a hit mic is one that is on.

As for the feedback being talked about that is more to do with the over all setup. adding an external mixer between the mic and the main board might add enough of a delay or gain/frequency drop to negate some of the feedback issues. I have always used feedback isolators when using a mic in front of the mains to cut back on issues, but improper spacer placement/mic location as well as the type of mic lead to most feedback issues.

If an identical setup with just the mixer changed causes a difference in feedback at identical levels, its probably because one mixer has a cleaner feed either from the mic or out the mains that can lead to certain frequencies feeding back.

If you have a processor that can do feedback isolation you could use it to see the frequencies that are causing the issues and see the difference between each mixer in the same setup/configuration

These guys do not like using any processors! They are trying to lighten their load, remember?
My advise is if they don't eat as much the load would be lighter! :tribiggrin::tribiggrin::tribiggrin:

 

[Jon Tuck]

Hot shot Pot not who gives a ratz azz what one calls it. Your twisting the posts intention. How many freaking names do people call a soft drink beverage and will it end the world? One says hot the other says not. Get a freaking life. Who gives a Shizz.

 

[DJ Jynxx]

Ok, I'll address them both then! lol
One, no, it is not hyper-sensitive... to me it's just normal. I don't have to speak super loud, but I don't have to whisper either. Plus the EQ really helps. I have my music BLASTING when I dj live sets online and have never had feedback once.
And as for it being on/always on, no, there is a {1} and {2} button to turn them on and off
hehe

 

[DJ Jynxx]

Wow, I totally missed page 2 of this thread.
Yeah, I still have to go with my previous statement that you (IMO) do not need to go to an external mixer for your mics. Also, you can use 1/4" on Mic 1 as well, there is a connector in the middle of where you plug the XLR cord in. I don't have nearly as good of a mic as you do (I have a Shure something... not even sposed to be used as a main mic lol) and I have had absolutely zero issues. If you are worried about it, can you do a mock setup somewhere (basement, garage, etc) and talk on the mic? Remember that POST button really helps too. If you are getting feedback from the monitors (I havent had an issue yet), you can always turn yourself off in the monitors.

 

[jokerswild]

Wow, I totally missed page 2 of this thread.
Yeah, I still have to go with my previous statement that you (IMO) do not need to go to an external mixer for your mics. Also, you can use 1/4" on Mic 1 as well, there is a connector in the middle of where you plug the XLR cord in. I don't have nearly as good of a mic as you do (I have a Shure something... not even sposed to be used as a main mic lol) and I have had absolutely zero issues. If you are worried about it, can you do a mock setup somewhere (basement, garage, etc) and talk on the mic? Remember that POST button really helps too. If you are getting feedback from the monitors (I havent had an issue yet), you can always turn yourself off in the monitors.

Actually ya I can do a quick test on Thursday when I do my live cast...

As to Houston's generalization comment about "us DJ's lightening loads" comment and no processors. I can speak for my self as I use a DRPA now and at the time when I experienced the problem I was use a simple crossover and eq but I didn't have time to trouble shoot the feedback... its not setup or system... I could understand that crack if I were using the cheapest equipment but I am not... after that instance I just continued mixing my mics into my DJ mixer via an external as much for the onboard effects as feedback control.

 

[ahoustondj]

Actually ya I can do a quick test on Thursday when I do my live cast...

As to Houston's generalization comment about "us DJ's lightening loads" comment and no processors. I can speak for my self as I use a DRPA now and at the time when I experienced the problem I was use a simple crossover and eq but I didn't have time to trouble shoot the feedback... its not setup or system... I could understand that crack if I were using the cheapest equipment but I am not... after that instance I just continued mixing my mics into my DJ mixer via an external as much for the onboard effects as feedback control.

Lighten up man. I was kidding you. I know what you use.