Does anybody know if anybody has these in stock yet? I've got the 3000 and very pleased with it. Just got a 2nd set of Carvin cabs today (LM12) and would like to put a 4500 with them.
Peavey IPR4500 or 6000?
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A second set of Carvins?
You are putting a bigger amp on the LM12's vs the IPR3000 you have on the LM15's?
You are putting a bigger amp on the LM12's vs the IPR3000 you have on the LM15's?
Nah. I'll swap them around and take the bigger amp on my rig. Still haven't gotten around to testing those 15s out in full-range (without a sub) yet. Am giving the 12s their innaugural run this tomorrow (with subs).
I sure want to pull the trigger on some new Carvins. But I read the LM then PM then LS series specs and I'm left wondering what I really need.
I got 2 pairs of LMs (15 & 12). They get significantly louder with less wattage. That new setup I'm using is more than enough volume, clean/clear and lots of headroom left to use if I ever need it. The only thing I'm missing is I had to go back to mono (without adding a 2nd power amp).
I spoke to Peavey on the phone and by e-mail this week about the IPR6000 and they said that it won't be this year that they'll be released, it'll be the middle of next year or even 2013 before they release the IPR4500 and IPR6000, they said there's still after 2 years, been no word what so ever about when they'll be released. I myself saw them advertised 2 years ago in 2009 that they were coming out.
Thanks Richard. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on another 3000. Makes me wonder if they hit a wall on the physical limitations of the technology.
I don't know really, but they said they're definately bringing them both out, but say it could be another year or two yet. No disrespect to Peavey but I think they need to pull their finger out their ass and either release them or don't release them. I'd be wary of Peavey amplifier though because although they're rated at their certain power output and generally they say it's average power not peak power, a Peavey technician told me that he's annoyed with how Peavey have kind of tricked customers because their rated power output is only for 20ms, after that, due to thermal restrictions, the power output is quite a bit down from the specifications. It sounds like the marketing department have been at work here, like marketing departments do with their trickery to make their products sound better or more powerful than they really are.
For what's it wort Behringer is also having a hard time delivering on their high power low weight amps also. They have released the smaller wattage versions but not the bigger wattage versions.
I can't speak to whether it matches actual rating or not but I can tell you this IPR3000 has been more horsepower than I've needed and I've yet to see the first clip light. I would've liked having the extra headroom of the 4500 but very pleased with what I've seen so far. I think it also helps that the cabs I'm using are quite efficient as well.
What do you use the IPR3000 to power? Full range cabs in stereo or subs in stereo or maybe bridged?
drzinc,
Behringer amplifier's power ratings are peak power not average power (RMS power in other words), and even the one Behringer amp i've seen that' does have RMS power ratings (think it's the EP4000 if I remember right) can't put out that power continuous all night, it's only burst power due to thermal restrictions.
drzinc,
Behringer amplifier's power ratings are peak power not average power (RMS power in other words), and even the one Behringer amp i've seen that' does have RMS power ratings (think it's the EP4000 if I remember right) can't put out that power continuous all night, it's only burst power due to thermal restrictions.
Couple of possibles for the delay in new product: the earthquake & tsunami in Japan and the global economy in general.
Japan's exports of components used in many products are just now starting to recover. And a sluggish economy means the prospects for sales of new product are dim. For good measure, lending restrictions have made it harder for businesses to borrow money for new ventures.
I've worked in manufacturing for many years and have seen the folly of allowing marketing people to run your company. Marketing is a cross between fortune telling and horse trading. Some of these folks live to sell product that the company has never made before to customers they've never dealt with before.
The way it used to work, somebody in marketing would come up with an idea for a new product. Take a prototype to the trade shows. The word on the street was positive. So the manufacturer went all out, investing in design and tooling and buying thousands of parts to make it.
Then the damn thing doesn't sell and the manufacturer is left holding the bag.
It don't work like that anymore. A company can promote new product... but without firm committment to sales, said product may not make it out of R&D.
Just some thoughts.
Japan's exports of components used in many products are just now starting to recover. And a sluggish economy means the prospects for sales of new product are dim. For good measure, lending restrictions have made it harder for businesses to borrow money for new ventures.
I've worked in manufacturing for many years and have seen the folly of allowing marketing people to run your company. Marketing is a cross between fortune telling and horse trading. Some of these folks live to sell product that the company has never made before to customers they've never dealt with before.
The way it used to work, somebody in marketing would come up with an idea for a new product. Take a prototype to the trade shows. The word on the street was positive. So the manufacturer went all out, investing in design and tooling and buying thousands of parts to make it.
Then the damn thing doesn't sell and the manufacturer is left holding the bag.
It don't work like that anymore. A company can promote new product... but without firm committment to sales, said product may not make it out of R&D.
Just some thoughts.
I'm powering hi-pass tops (pair of Cavin LM12s) at 4-ohm from one side then powering a pair of Peavy 18" subs (4-ohm load) on lowpass. Not as much juice as I'd like but, like I said, it's had more than enough volume for anything I'm typically doing.
I was not comparing Behringer to any other amps, I was just pointing out that both Peavey and Behringer are having issues delivering their high power light weight amps. Since these are both made in China I would suspect they may share common parts and thus why both companies are in the same delima. As for the RMS peak game all the companies are doing this game now even the mighty QSC. Case in point their GX line only list the RMS watts at 1k and only for short periods.
The Peavey tech guy told me all companies are doing it now when I spoke to him and he said it's because companies are trying to slowly do away with toroidal transformers amplifiers and eventually phase them out because light weight is what a lot of people want these days. So far companies can't manufacturer switch mode power supplies powerful enough to deliver the sheer constant continuous massive power that the toroidal amps can deliver. QSC though are still selling their RMX series amps and they're great on subs when bridged, plus their specs state average power, although it says maximum average power, and doesn't state how long the amps can output that power for continuously if needed. I know a lot of people I speak to, in fact a hell of a lot of people I speak to, still use older amps to power their subs, amps like the Crown MA5002VZ, bridged MA3602VZ, Crest CA9 bridged, Crest 9001, amps like that.