4 deck mixing

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The 4 deck advantage as it has been mentioned let's you pull off some incredible tricks that used to be more difficult on original turntables and it's use live will create some pretty neat reactions by the crowd. The key is to practice and pulling the perfect live mix is great food for our ego's (Somebody has to pat our backs ;) ). The rush of the live mixes to me is the same as blasting down the 1/4 mile track pedal to the metal and listening to the engine roar. Practice lets you make these mixes and while software makes things easier you still need to have the knack to pull it off, I create the song remixes on Acid, and while I could create sets in Acid as well I still prefer the rush and being able to change things around. So to each their own, but hey my addiction is a hobby :D:D:D:D
 
DJ SVO said:
The key is to practice and pulling the perfect live mix is great food for our ego's (Somebody has to pat our backs ;) ). The rush of the live mixes to me is the same as blasting down the 1/4 mile track pedal to the metal and listening to the engine roar.
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I agree completely. I do my mixes live. I could record a bunch of mine too but like you, it's 'the same as blasting down the 1/4 mile track pedal to the metal and listening to the engine roar.' I also feel that it's a skill that you lose when you stop using it. I'm waiting for the moolah for the 4 deck's but until then, I'll keep 'em rockin' with the 2 decks I have with the SW and I always have 2 HW decks ready to go (with several other HW's ready if I need 'em to be)
 
djsarge said:
Especially since I'm a dreaded just push play DJ and not a real DJ like Canute is. Even though I can quite often pack a dance floor.
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The honest truth is that if comes to just pushing "play" then it is the SONG that is filling the dancefloor - not the DJ. DJs do not have the market cornered on winning song selection since most people are already aware of what they and their social circle respond too.

When you can fill a dance floor using just drum tracks and samples - then you can make such a claim. That I believe is the basis of Cahout's point.
 
Learned to beatmix on this....

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Dave,
You learned using a cheap needle and cartridge. You should've used the Ortofon Super Dodo Special and spread them Mammoth horns at least 50 steps, just be careful with the damn T-Rex they can sneak up on you :D:D:D:D:D I can't believe you saw the birth of Chr.... eerrnnn I mean Canute yorofl:
 
Proformance said:
The honest truth is that if comes to just pushing "play" then it is the SONG that is filling the dancefloor - not the DJ. DJs do not have the market cornered on winning song selection since most people are already aware of what they and their social circle respond too.

When you can fill a dance floor using just drum tracks and samples - then you can make such a claim. That I believe is the basis of Cahout's point.
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Realistically speaking, that would make you a performer, and not a DJ or entertainer...

You would not be a musician, because you did not in fact create the sound, you are simply sampling it.

Most of the clubs around here, have the DJ/Mixologist situated in a booth high in the air. All we see is his head and a pair of headphones on said head. Nobody has any clue as to whether he's "scratching the wax" or playing a pre-mixed set he did at home on an iPod.

Give me the top ten songs of the week, set me down in front of my computer, and in a couple hours, I will have you two 25 minute bar turn sets ready to go. The owner will be pleased, I will only have to press play twice, and I'll probably get a hummer while you are dancing to my "mad skillz".

That my friends, is a rush I can live with, and can milk for a few weeks until the songs die... :)


I learned long ago, to never work harder than I have to -- but still deliver a stellar performance. Leave the rest to the laborers... ;)
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Realistically speaking, that would make you a performer, and not a DJ or entertainer...
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Not so. The difference between a DJ and a Juke Box is that a DJ manages the rhythm. Using a drum machine or samples is the same thing as choosing to play the club or dance remix rather than the radio edit. Unlike a jukebox, a good DJ manages the rhythm to produce a certain feeling which might be more physically compelling than the original radio composition.

Managing the rhythm includes a simultaneous and continuous reading of the crowd - not a guess made 3 weeks before and locked into a recording.

Most of the clubs around here, have the DJ/Mixologist situated in a booth high in the air. All we see is his head and a pair of headphones on said head. Nobody has any clue as to whether he's "scratching the wax" or playing a pre-mixed set he did at home on an iPod.
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The regulars know, that's why their regulars - but, a good club is also much more than just a DJ and a dance floor. There's nothing a DJ can do to sustain a concept that sucks. Everything else has to be there to including quality and efficient bar service, lounge environment, etc.

Give me the top ten songs of the week, set me down in front of my computer, and in a couple hours, I will have you two 25 minute bar turn sets ready to go. The owner will be pleased, I will only have to press play twice, and I'll probably get a hummer while you are dancing to my "mad skillz".
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I can do that with a dance mix CD from any retailer - But Why?

All we see is his head and a pair of headphones on said head. Nobody has any clue as to whether he's "scratching the wax" or playing a pre-mixed set he did at home on an iPod.
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Except in your case it's obvious while your getting a hummer that the music is just a recording and there's no one in the booth who actually cares if the patrons are being well served. It is the equivalent of replacing the bar tenders with vending machines.
 
Proformance said:
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Except in your case it's obvious while your getting a hummer that the music is just a recording and there's no one in the booth who actually cares if the patrons are being well served. It is the equivalent of replacing the bar tenders with vending machines.
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I disagree Bob...

The talent, thought and care that go into a studio mix, is no less than that done live. The only difference I see, is that the performer is doing it within their comfort zone.

I make no bones about it -- I work better in a studio, than I do live.

I've offered a few people the opportunity to video and show me their 4 deck, mad mixing skillz (in a live environment) -- in return, I would video my mad studio mixing skillz, using a variety of software.

So far, I have had no takers. I'm guessing that's because people talk the talk, yet don't walk the walk -- they can only show videos of someone else... ;)
 
I've been using the 4 decks for several months now . What a great performance tool! Makes creative mixes very easily. Fabulous for curing up 4 songs at a time---great for candle lighting sequences. Try it---you'll love it!
I am using the Denon DN MC 6000 controller with Virtual DJ Pro. What a great video mixer as well!
 
djgo said:
Freddy/Rick,

This guy uses four decks at his live sets.
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Nice Pioneer ad :sqrolleyes:


Should we get a screen shot of a four deck Rockit skin...? Have you not figured out how to use it...?


$5,000 worth of hardware mess, versus $100 worth of software. No brainer :)



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Since the board is not working properly (wake up Danno -- the reply is not working right), I'll do it manually. BTW, wake up Danno ;)


I like you Ricky
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I like myself as well -- can we form a club of Ricky likers...? I'd prefer hot, young chicks :D

but for playability, these guys are using these things as if they were vinyl. Can you do that with Rockit?

Not everyone uses those decks as if they were vinyl - most probably use them as normal CD players, in which case, Rockit is a better investment.
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You can do pretty much anything you like with Rockit, but it requires practice. I'm a rhythm guitar player at heart -- Keith Richards is my hero. There are hundreds of options in Rockit, that most people do not know of, because they don't look for them. You have to learn it, like you do a guitar.

If people are not willing to learn, they get the French crap, and press the sync button, and live with the results.

Buying Rockit, is the same as buying a guitar -- you have to learn to play it :)
 
djgo said:
Freddy/Rick,

This guy uses four decks at his live sets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ne-2s2DVk&feature=relmfu
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I can't see the video since I am at work. I assume you posted it cause he does have some skill, now how many here do you think that can do 4 tables successfully and make it sound good without Amtracking? Only one that I know of JTV? LOL.....

Some can't mix with two and to try four on automix is absurd!
 
SoftJock Rick said:
I disagree Bob...

The talent, thought and care that go into a studio mix, is no less than that done live. The only difference I see, is that the performer is doing it within their comfort zone.
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Non one said there is no talent, thought or care in a studio mix. I said it's not DJing. The difference is you are not performing anything - not putting ANY of that talent at risk. It is a recording of a mix created in an editable, non-volatile, off-site environment.. This is the DJ equivalent of an artist lip-syncing at a concert.

I make no bones about it -- I work better in a studio, than I do live.
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Everyone works better in a studio! LIVE mixing doesn't come with non-volatile editing features. That's fine and you can mix. Just stop telling me it's "DJing" because that's not what it is. It's a studio "recording"

I've offered a few people the opportunity to video and show me their 4 deck, mad mixing skillz (in a live environment) -- in return, I would video my mad studio mixing skillz, using a variety of software.
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Could you please point what constitutes the "opportunity" in your proposition?
 
Proformance said:
Could you please point what constitutes the "opportunity" in your proposition?
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You could become a skeeball star, and win valuable prizes, and trade them for whales saved... :D


Let's face it -- other than a couple dudes here (nods to some guys in FL, and Boston), there are none here willing to show their skills.


If some who talk the talk, would be willing to show themselves in action, wowing a paying crowd with their four deck mixing -- I would humble myself before them, and help promote them on many of my web properties.

I welcome talented people, and have a fairly large audience. But I also require them to demonstrate their skills to me, to make it worthwhile for me to promote them. I also have a number of buds in the music industry.


Talk is cheap -- talent requires effort. Show me your mad skillz, and perhaps I can put you in touch with someone who can do something with those skillz. I like to help people when I can, even if does not benefit me... :)
 
Proformance said:
Sorry there's no one willing to amuse you. Try getting a cat and some yarn.
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The cats are too busy eating critters -- I do have a dog who performs well with a frisbee though. I'll try throwing her 4 at the same time, and see how well she does...

I'm sorta guessing she'll at least try and catch them, and not give a BS line about how she "could" possibly catch them... ;)
 
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