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DJCraziAce said:
Each time, huh?

Pretty funny, why don't you read all my posts and you'll see only a handful where I do question fishy-smells. Sorry that you take everything that's said to you to heart. Those kinds of people will never survive in the real world.


And yes, it's just you.
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Ah to be young and full of yourself! I remember those days well. Enjoy your run. I did.

Now back to your regular thread!

...thx
 
This Reminds Me

This story is different but, in some ways, it is the same!

I am a Teacher/Coordinator for a three week programme. I teach five Japanese students every morning, and then take thirty-five of them out on afternoon excursions. There are two T/Cs, two escorts from Japan, and one "Head Coordinator" that go out on these excursions.

The "HC", while trying to be helpful in every which way, constantly scolds the students and dismisses any advice that others give her, so that we can all work together efficiently; in fact, she takes it personally whenever we offer suggestions, and gets upset.

Tomorrow, we are all going to discuss this. She is on the brink of quitting/getting hosed. It has nothing to do with her intelligence. It has nothing to do with her desire to help. It has everything to do with how she cooperates.
 
DJMC said:
Ditto what Brian just said.

And, let me add that I think its rather sad that the board is becoming a bit like other places where censorship is rampant (not mentioning any names).

However, having spoke with JTV about this......I understand the reasoning behind the need for curbing the "Wild West" atmosphere.

PLEASE un-suspend Steve Miller ASAP........or I guarantee this board will suffer just like DJC did!!!
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Thanks, Matt. I would expect no less from you. :D

I dunno where the rampant censorship thing comes from... but I can say that the staff does an excellent job of managing this site. Given the fact that these folks don't like rules any more than the rest, I believe we're doing quite well.

You and I have caused our share of irritation for the staff at other sites over the years. Some of the stuff we've posted here would have been pulled at other sites. We can't be pointin' the finger 'cause we're just as bad if not worse. And everyone knows it. ;)

Here at ODJT we try to maintain a balance. We have a team of staff members that discusses issues and comes to concensus before action is taken.

On the other hand, some mainstream sites are essentially personal fiefdoms with little oversight or support from the site owners.

Steve asked the webmeister to remove his account here. This was done not because the staff wanted to. It was done as per Steve's request. I too miss Steve but ODJT isn't gonna suffer as a result of his departure. The loss of one pony doesn't stop the show.
 
I guess its to late to get him back, seeing as how he requested his account be closed. Some people are more sensitive to being scolded than others. I think he took the suspension as a personal insult possibly. I don't know how the warnings were conveyed, but as a last resort a personal phone call would have been the best approach if this was not the case.
I guess there is more to this than what I have knowledge of, but in my opinion, things WILL NOT be the same around here. Steve is highly respected in the DJ world. I heard of him long ago before I even joined a chat board. When I became a member here and saw that Steve was a member also, I said wow.......................
I am really disappointed how things turned out. Damn shame. Hope the guy changes his mind and realizes where he belongs.:sqfrown:
 
Brian Martin said:
I guess its to late to get him back, seeing as how he requested his account be closed. Some people are more sensitive to being scolded than others. I think he took the suspension as a personal insult possibly. I don't know how the warnings were conveyed, but as a last resort a personal phone call would have been the best approach if this was not the case.
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If you look at the POLL thread, you will note that Mr. Miller saw this coming (noted in one of cbarronx23's posts) and he let it happen. He had the power to stay, but his own integrity was more important. I can understand and appreciate that, but he knew that this was going to happen.

I do not believe that doing something after being politely asked several times to not do it and realising a consequence for it is exactly a scolding. It's more like: he was standing up for what he believed in.
 
I hope that he comes back also,,,, what we are trying to here is still new, this board has not been around as long as some of the others and we are still finding our way,,, we know which way, but we are still trying to find it.

It is my hope that everyone will help in finding the way and once we do find it, it is my hope that everyone will help in keeping it on track. It's all about the ohana, the family here.

(insert brainwash joke here:)) j/k :chuckthedj: but I know how that sounded! LOL

There is a great start here, and personally, I'm glad to be here... it is afterall where I spend most of my internet time.....
 
Folks,

As promised, I will email Steve presently to inquire about his thoughts. No one misses Steve's online presence more than Shirl and I ~ we all go back many years.

This relationship kinda puts me on the spot... Steve is a close friend and I should speak to him etc. Well, I have to play by the rules, too. I can't look the other way when a member, friend or no crosses the TOS.

Steve doesn't like rules any more than I. However, we all have to use a bit of discretion when posting and communicating with fellow members. :)
 
I can only guess what the topic was - but I bet I would guess correctly.... My only thing is, why can some folks NOT drop it when they know for certain that it is a hot button issue.

If you owned a "Ford Pinto" :sqwink: , and thought it was the greatest car ever made, why would I repeatedly put my opinion out there claiming it sucked? Just state your opinion and move on...

BTW, My next big purchase will be a "Ford Pinto", when I need to get a new "set of cars".....
 
Ok-- Papa, with that thought (good point, BTW)-- wouldn't I already have been banned for my constant bash on Windows?

Now, if they suddenly helped pay the bills-- that would be different.

I am NOT bashing the board for having an Agenda, as I'd do the same.

However, I think that the TOS should be revised. No one can make any INSULTING remarks towards products (ex: BOSE IS SH**). However, they can express their dislike of the product (ex: Without being forced to buy the bass bins, the L1s just won't cut it.)

Likewise, this should be with all products, not just the sponsor's products. DJChat renamed my thread titled: PROMO ONLY SUCKS to PROMO ONLY QUESTIONS because PO(S) is a sponsor. Yet there is a thread titled MEGASEG SUX, which has been there for a while-- funny, Jason Cox is not a sponsor.

Basically-- do one rule and apply it-- but don't push it to an extreme, right or left.
 
Nobody asked but.....

Heres my opinion

The way things are going if it keeps up we will be left with about a dozen that constantly agree and 300+ that are scared not to agree for fear of retribution

Thats not an environment for learning thats an agenda
 
Jeff Romard said:
Heres my opinion

The way things are going if it keeps up we will be left with about a dozen that constantly agree and 300+ that are scared not to agree for fear of retribution

Thats not an environment for learning thats an agenda
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Thanks Jeff, I agree with you. The problem occurs when one feels the need to bully others with their opinion. The staff or I agreeing with ones opinion is inconsequential. Personally, I read many posts on here that I don't agree with, I don't edit them or start sending out warnings. As long as posts fall within the TOS, no one bothers them.

As long as I am here, I won't allow the couple with the loudest voices to rule by yelling the loudest. It is unfair to a majority of the members who have no need for the hostility, they will just go elsewhere.

Just my .02. :)
 
I gotta add...

Steve is a nice guy. He is probably smarter and more talented than 90% of the folks here. What Steve lacks is the ability to know where to draw the line. The staff stands united in not allowing anyone to push others around.

I'm sorry for losing him here, but he brought this on himself. Pride is a strange thing. His pride wouldn't allow him to back off when he was "called out" for his comments and attitude. While I understand this (remember, I was a cop for 26 years and saw this all the time), I don't know why Steve (with all of his talent) would push the boundaries all the time.

I think he'd be welcomed back. He has lots to offer us, and I hope he realizes that. I'd also like to say that many of his comments were removed or edited before lots of you saw them. I've seen several posts stating "I didn't see anything wrong with his comments". That's because the staff intervened before you saw them. Give the staff some credit for keeping this place civil.
 
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