Video Jocks S-Video vs VGA

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Is S-Video out okay quality for doing not video, but just karaoke and such? Is VGA out better for karaoke?

What is the longest run of cable you have used/do use/would recommend for either connection?

What is a typical run for video from your lappy to a monitor or screen?

What are the pitfalls of running over on length... decrease in video quality? Sound vs. Video latency?
 
Is S-Video out okay quality for doing not video, but just karaoke and such? Is VGA out better for karaoke?

What is the longest run of cable you have used/do use/would recommend for either connection?

What is a typical run for video from your lappy to a monitor or screen?

What are the pitfalls of running over on length... decrease in video quality? Sound vs. Video latency?

None that would be noticeable to you!

Long run VGA is going to be a PITA unless it is a perm install.

I mostly use RCA TV connections and have no problems with 50 to 60 foot runs and have connected as many as 6 TVs with no noticeable degradation!

But typical is 20 feet or less!
 
None that would be noticeable to you!

Long run VGA is going to be a PITA unless it is a perm install.

I mostly use RCA TV connections and have no problems with 50 to 60 foot runs and have connected as many as 6 TVs with no noticeable degradation!

But typical is 20 feet or less!

Thanks Steve - How do you go RCA out of a laptop? Is there a nice clean VGA-RCA converter?
 
I find lower reliability in S-video and VGA than Composite (RCA). Any will work just fine; if you're using S Vid or VCA make sure you have a decent quality cable (not the cheapest molded catalog cable you can find) and then carry a backup or two at all times. When they fail you will experience color loss and other anomalies. A good flexible RCA will last virtually forever, but it's hard to find a lappy with an RCA out these days. :-(
 
S-Video (Y/C Y=luminance C=Chroma) provides a better quality signal than composite (cV composite video) however, cV is still a universal cross between video systems including DJ gear, security monitors, industrial and consumer electronics.

Y/C can be run up to about 150ft without any kind of repeater or amplifier. How well it works after that depends on how many devices you are feeding and whether the signal is being split. cV will run well at twice that length, but should have a repeater for exceptionally long lengths.

You can transmit even farther by using RF instead of line signals, or a balun to cat-5 will let you run 1000ft.

cV is considerably less expensive for monitors, switchers, distributoin amps etc. and that's why you find it on most DJ gear. The RCA connectors are used on consumer gear and the locking BNC is the industrial standard. BNCs last longer, are a locking connector, and provide better termination.

All analog video is slowly being phased out and the first to disappear will be S-video. You have probably already noticed that it is no longer supported on computers, and many DVD players, cameras, or TVs.

You're best not to get too deep into S-video since most devices you acquire in the future will not have that input/output. Consumer S-video is also a fragile 4-pin connector that can easily be broken. Industrial S-Video uses a pair of separate BNC connectors (Y/C)

You can passively convert a Y/C signal to cV however, there can be only one such source on the branch. Mixing a passively converted Y/C signal with another S-video source through an active switcher will cancel out the chroma information on one or more outputs.

To convert from YC to cV or vice versa you should use an active combiner or separater to insure that all your gear in the chain processes the signals correctly.

For karaoke display or music videos S-video or composite is all you need.

VGA, (SVGA, XGA, ...etc.) are all data display modes and are analog component variants (RGBHV, RBGS, ...etc.) VGA ports may all look the same (DB15 connector) - but they are not! You must know exactly what type of video synchronization scheme is employed by each device. If your devices do not allow you to select a sync mode you must select devices using a compatible standard.

If you are going to display fine text that must be read by a large audience such as spreadsheets, powerpoint, etc. VGA is the better choice. VGA images will be brighter than comparable content in S-video or Composite. It's also readily scalable.

The maximum run on VGA is about 100ft directly out of a PC. VGA amplifier/splitters have to be within 6ft of the PC and then you can make longer runs out to your displays. Passively splitting a VGA signal will not always leave you with enough signal strength to drive all the displays.

Because VGA is an analog format it too is being phased out. You'll notice most consumer PCs are now outfitted with HDMI. Business machines will have the VGA port for a while longer because of the installed inventory of analog data projectors in institutional settings.

Expect HDMI to be the standard for the future. It can carry 8 channels of audio plus control information in addition to HD video.
 
Bob thanks for that detailed bit of info. I have movies on my notebook I would like to transfer to my living room TV the notebook has VGA and S Video but my monitor doesnt so will be purchasing a VGA cable for transfer. My old eyes arent so good with the tiny Acer lol.
 
VGA = HiDef output but, needs a VGA to Composite or S-Video to connect to standard TV's lacking a PC/VGA input.

S/Video = Compatible with most TV sets even older non-hidef sets... however, most newer computers and laptops do not have a s/video output and therefore a VGA to S/Video converter is needed.

Composite = lowest quality video (ok for karaoke) again compatible with most older TVs and even the newer hidef models. Again newer computers and laptops don't usually come equiped with a composite output and a VGA to Composite converter is needed.

Hope this helps.... sometimes the KISS answer is best.
 
I use my s-video output from the lappy to two projectors a total of 50ft to the first and a Y Connector at that first end to the other projector another 25ft. Lyrics are bright and clear. I also run small funny video clips from Windows Media Player via the same hookup and the quality is great. The Cables are all heavy duty. In the club, everything is all hooked up except for the one s-video end that goes to my Laptop.
 
If you really want to see the difference, put a web page or something with text on the screen. Karaoke is huge jagged text anyway, so you won't notice, but something like text live will be toast in a matter of 10 feet with composite unless you're using a proper coaxial cable.

I use VGA over cat 5 which can run up to 300 feet in one run. A good 400 MHz VGA splitter/amplifier will allow you to run as many as 4 projectors each a couple hundred feet apart.

A set of VGA to cat-5 baluns cost $80 and network cable is like 6 cents a foot, so it's really cheap to keep a roll of cat-5 cable on hand and terminate your own cables at each event.
 
Just to add a little more info, composite and s-video are both low resolution standards. S-video was a minor improvement over composite cleaning up the signal but not enhancing the resolution. That improvement has since been negated with filtering built into most TVs.

VGA and HDMI are capable of HD resolution. HDMI is already the standard for TVs. VGA us being phased out and replaced by DVI, HDMI and display-port. Which of those 3 will be the eventual standard is unknown.

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Awesome info guys, thanks! And Steve - for my purposes, I think that Sewell converter station you posted is the ticket. I'm not doing this enough (yet) to warrant any significant investment in serious hardware, but all the info on different formats is very useful.
 
If you really want to see the difference, put a web page or something with text on the screen. Karaoke is huge jagged text anyway, so you won't notice, but something like text live will be toast in a matter of 10 feet with composite unless you're using a proper coaxial cable.

I use VGA over cat 5 which can run up to 300 feet in one run. A good 400 MHz VGA splitter/amplifier will allow you to run as many as 4 projectors each a couple hundred feet apart.

A set of VGA to cat-5 baluns cost $80 and network cable is like 6 cents a foot, so it's really cheap to keep a roll of cat-5 cable on hand and terminate your own cables at each event.

This is all great information but a moot point since what is being discussed is putting karaoke up on another screen!
 
S-Video (Y/C Y=luminance C=Chroma) provides a better quality signal than composite (cV composite video) however, cV is still a universal cross between video systems including DJ gear, security monitors, industrial and consumer electronics.
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....And that's the name of the game- compatibility. I have both S-Video and RCA outputs, and find that running video to bar TVs is almost always a job for RCA.
 
My older computers have S-Video out. I use S-Video when possible.

I'm moving to all computers with HDMI, I will be wiring my bars with HDMI for karaoke and music video. It's nice cause most tvs have 3 HDMI inputs so I will just hardwire and forget it. When it's time to use the tvs I just change the input with the remotes.

I have used a VGA to composite converter on a computer without a s-video or HDMI out and I felt it looked terrible.

I use s-video in bars, for some reason it seems to pick up less interference from bar neon.

Bottom lie is HDMI is HD it's the best available option.
 
Actually HDMI and VGA are HD.... you just have to make sure you match the output resolution of the VGA to match the TV.... get a missmatch and it could look aweful as DJ Cam describes...

Of course....nothing is HD unless and until your content is actually HD! :)
 
OK first thing is my docking port has an RCA video out so I don't have to deal with other gear for that but here is a unit that works pretty decent and there are others you can get for a lot more money!

http://sewelldirect.com/pc-to-tv.as...e=5957379843&gclid=CKaxppXssKQCFQo65QodrWv81w

and there are some better quality units available

http://www.shop.com/VGA+to+TV+Converter

Steve, ended up buying that little unit you posted, and it works well, so thanks.

Only thing is I am getting a lot of video degradation using the 50' rca I bought with it - on the advice of many here who said they typically had no issues with 50'-60' runs or longer. The cable I got is pretty heavy guage, gold connections, etc so I'm thinking the length is the culprit - though I am wondering if the power from the USB port isn't enough to push the signal, and if I get the wall wart for the unit and give it some dedicated juice it would work out better for the longer run?

Whatchu think?
 
Steve, ended up buying that little unit you posted, and it works well, so thanks.

Only thing is I am getting a lot of video degradation using the 50' rca I bought with it - on the advice of many here who said they typically had no issues with 50'-60' runs or longer. The cable I got is pretty heavy guage, gold connections, etc so I'm thinking the length is the culprit - though I am wondering if the power from the USB port isn't enough to push the signal, and if I get the wall wart for the unit and give it some dedicated juice it would work out better for the longer run?

Whatchu think?

Yes. If you are converting the signal you need to pick-up the signal within 6 feet of your computer and use an ACTIVE (powered) device. There is also (I believe) no loop through on that box so you absolutely MUST power it.