Harbinger subs - any good?

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ahoustondj said:
Remember a true Two Way Active System is where the Frequencies are separated BEFORE it gets to the amps. The tops will then get Hi to Mid Bass from it's Amp and the Subs will get everything below that from it's Amp.

In your case, based on what you stated, the Bose getting a full range signal is being used as Mains and your subs are being used as Supplementary Bass. Therefore that is two full range signals going out with one having a Low Bypass Filter.
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Actually, the Bose has a built-in crossover. I believe it sends sub-100hz to its subs. The supplemental bass is also low-bypass at 100hz also. I've tried tagging the supplemental off the bass output on the Bose (sub-100hz) but they cut power down to the Bose subs.
 
Ricky,

I've got a matched set (mains and subs) of RCF Active speakers;
12" Tops (2-way) that sound like 15" and a pair of 400w subs 15."
They are model RCF 200A and 800A. Had these since 1999. They do well for small to medium weddings and partys. I decided to keep them when I went for a larger set of speakers and subs, which are Yorkville.

Yorkville 750PB 15" (2-way) 750w and an subwoofer, Elite LS 700PB (2x10"). The subwoofer has since been traded up to a LS801PB 18" 1500w sub. Wish I had done it initially. The Yorkville 801 is plenty powerful for most events that I do...and that includes a 400-500 person formal dance or HS Prom. You do need to hear both the RCF and Yorkville products. I believe you will be pleased...but not with the price as they are a bit costly! :(

I decided to upgrade from the double 10" sub to the 18" sub because the York tops NX 750PB were kicking its but...it couldn't keep up. Now instead of buying a second LS801 18" sub, I believe that the RCF 21" may be the way to go. However, I don't like to mix product lines when it comes to speakers.

Decide on what size gigs you're going to do and what you have to transport your gear and then consider the size and power of the speakers and subs. I can tell you that the 2x10" sub did a pretty good job at (700w). One of the detractors was that it has a attached power cord. It's long enough, but you have to fold it up and secure it with the built in straps. On the plus side, it has a small foot print; 24"(d) x 24.5"(w) x 17.5" (high). It weighs in at 91#, but fits nicely under a banquet table and isn't that difficult to lift...for me anyway. I'm no spring chicken either.

Do let us know how your search ends up. I would do a side-by-side test of mains and subs together to see which really compliment one another.
 
TwinSpinDJ said:
Ricky,

I've got a matched set (mains and subs) of RCF Active speakers;
12" Tops (2-way) that sound like 15" and a pair of 400w subs 15."
They are model RCF 200A and 800A. Had these since 1999. They do well for small to medium weddings and partys. I decided to keep them when I went for a larger set of speakers and subs, which are Yorkville.

Yorkville 750PB 15" (2-way) 750w and an subwoofer, Elite LS 700PB (2x10"). The subwoofer has since been traded up to a LS801PB 18" 1500w sub. Wish I had done it initially. The Yorkville 801 is plenty powerful for most events that I do...and that includes a 400-500 person formal dance or HS Prom. You do need to hear both the RCF and Yorkville products. I believe you will be pleased...but not with the price as they are a bit costly! :(

I decided to upgrade from the double 10" sub to the 18" sub because the York tops NX 750PB were kicking its but...it couldn't keep up. Now instead of buying a second LS801 18" sub, I believe that the RCF 21" may be the way to go. However, I don't like to mix product lines when it comes to speakers.

Decide on what size gigs you're going to do and what you have to transport your gear and then consider the size and power of the speakers and subs. I can tell you that the 2x10" sub did a pretty good job at (700w). One of the detractors was that it has a attached power cord. It's long enough, but you have to fold it up and secure it with the built in straps. On the plus side, it has a small foot print; 24"(d) x 24.5"(w) x 17.5" (high). It weighs in at 91#, but fits nicely under a banquet table and isn't that difficult to lift...for me anyway. I'm no spring chicken either.

Do let us know how your search ends up. I would do a side-by-side test of mains and subs together to see which really compliment one another.
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Just an update Twinspin for ya, i did my last gig with the RCF 21's tonight before i was supposed to return them , And We have decided to purchase a pair, You can barely ever turn them up even to half power and have More bass than you'll ever need. I decided yes, they are a little more expensive , but you can't really put a price on the peace of mind you get out of knowing you have such an amazing set up subs. I run these with my EV Tour X single 15 tops or sometimes for live sound even the Mackie 1530 3 way speakers. You can even just run one of these subs at almost all of your events up to 800 people and not even need the second sub! SOLD :)
 
Loneavenger, thanks for the update. FYI, I actually traded a pair of Mackie 1530's (active) 3-way, 500 w (100x100x300w) for the pair of Yorkville 750PB (100x650w). I did side-by-side comparison and found the Yorkville to "throw" further and when pushed up volume, the Mackie's couldn't keep up (obviously). On the downside, the Mackie's were heavy and awkward to move, but I did like the 3-way sound.
Not sure IF I would opt for the 21" RCF before hearing the Yorkville 21"...kind of want to keep things in the same "family."

I pass through Richmond several times a year on my way back to Maine. May stop by sometime.
 
TwinSpinDJ said:
Loneavenger, thanks for the update. FYI, I actually traded a pair of Mackie 1530's (active) 3-way, 500 w (100x100x300w) for the pair of Yorkville 750PB (100x650w). I did side-by-side comparison and found the Yorkville to "throw" further and when pushed up volume, the Mackie's couldn't keep up (obviously). On the downside, the Mackie's were heavy and awkward to move, but I did like the 3-way sound.
Not sure IF I would opt for the 21" RCF before hearing the Yorkville 21"...kind of want to keep things in the same "family."

I pass through Richmond several times a year on my way back to Maine. May stop by sometime.
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Yeah, you're welcome to stop by. I definitely understand keeping speakers in the same family, I was going to try to stick to just EV speakers, and i do for the most part. I really like those Mackies for some live sound events though. And, The RCF's are too awesome to not own just because they aren't EV. I actually did a side by side with the Yorkville active 21's at the DJ Expo in Atlantic city, they were only about 3 booths over from the RCF setup, and The Yorkville 21 was powerful but it isn't a tight punch like the RCF, the best word i can come up with is the bass was Muddy compared to the RCF. But if possible you should definitely hear them and determine on your own. let me know what you decide! :)
 
The RCF Bass sound is much more tonal as well as powerful compared to the Yorkies. Im sure with proper EQ adjustments you could get a better tone from the Yorkvilles but out of the the box RCF rules.
 
Jon,

I looked into the Dynacord satellite system but felt it was just a bit overpriced for my wallet at the time. Besides, I wanted an 18" Active Satellite system. EV is a fine product. I'm sold on RCF and Yorkville now.
 
Thanks Art,
At the time I had the funds to do it or I would have bought FBT and RCF like my good friend Music Maestro.
 

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Loneavenger said:
I haven't ever looked into Dynacord.......Is it pricier than RCF????
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I believe that Tucks set is in the 6 - 7 K usd for two tops and two subs; one of which is powered (sub)....

So you aren't going to compare the Art series and 705AS: although I'd like to see an A/B with Milani's FBT maxx40's and dual 705AS comapred to Tuck's Dynacord.

Steve - any comments............... have you heard the Dynacord?
 
Lets just say with the one sub and the two tops it exceeds Bose price tag by some and I would have spent less for anything else if this wasnt the fair amount better. Steve has heard my system as well.
 
John Tuck...
I looked seriously at selling my RCF system (tops & subs) to purchase the Dynacord 2000, but when I found out that the tops were NOT ACTIVE, I changed my mind. I was looking then to use the Tops for Ceremony service, but again, if the sub/amp craps out, the tops aren't any good. I've been happy with the Yorks but yearn to switch back to RCF tops, but they are so heavy for me to lift on to speaker stands when you get upwards of 500watts. The RCF 15" subs that I have weigh 92# each. Of course I don't have to lift them up on to speaker stands...only to the back end of my Toyota Highlander.

Like Avenger stated...a side-by-side comparison is warranted (RCF vs. Yorkville). The RCF are so efficient and the clarity is superb. The Italians made a great speaker when they made RCF.
 
The guys at RCF were designers for Mackie and broke away cause Mackie wasnt improving their line allowing other powereds to capture the crown that Mackie once wore. Actually I have a pair of SXA-100 tops that are my backup and almost make my system a crossbred D Lite of sorts.
 
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