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Kirby Ball

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Went to the PO Box today, and found this letter from one of the more "established" DJs in our area. I have eliminated his name

The article that he is referring to is "Setting YOUR Price!" by Eric Godfrey, Starz Entertainment. (paid by ADJA)

Curious to what some of you think. I'll post my thoughts and comments later.

Just click on the JPEG to read.

Happy Reading! :D
 

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Looks good to me! I can't find fault with any of it.
 
I guess I can't comment on the letter, but I can comment on our involvement with several DJ associations. I attend a number of meetings throughout the year at a number of different locations throughout the country. We're there because we support the DJs. They are our customers, and we're here to support them. Typically our contribution is at the end of the meeting, so we patiently listen as new business and old business is discussed. Are these meetings perfect? Does everything move along like sunshine and lollipops. Nope. Have I personally seen a great number of OUR customers benefit from their involvement in a group of like-minded and like-challenged other DJs. Absolutely. I think associations are like church in some regards. You don't need a church to worship, but it sure helps. You don't need an association to network, but it too helps. Whether you join any particular group or not the point I would make is to reach out. It's no different than what we do on these forums every day. We connect with others in our industry and we benefit because of it.

Just my 2 cents from an impartial "observer".

Ben
 
Not Everybody Knows You Bryan

Looks good to me! I can't find fault with any of it.

And I bet that you couldn't find any grammatical mistakes, either!

Eh (if I may interject)?
 
There are several of us in my area who have been doing this for many years. I don't see all that much backstabbing and undercutting with the majority of DJs in my area although there are some KJs that do, but really they are of no concern to me.

The only thing we don't see in this area is the $3000 wedding DJ and if there was one he wouldn't be working!
 
What do you receive in return for your membership dues? Where is your money going?

Those are the $64.00 questions. ;)

I've had these guys call... thanks but no thanks. Ol' Wolfie can drop some names, too. I have met and visited with the association founders in person. The callers have not. I wish them well but...

Local networking is great and doesn't cost us a dime.

It makes a difference. :)
 
I'm kind of surprised at some of the feedback that I have seen so far.

Maybe I'm being negative, but I believe this is a thinly veiled attempt for "price-fixing" first, under the guise of "networking" and "brotherhood".

So far the only instances I've seen of back-stabbing and undercutting have come from two of the largest and most established businesses in this area.

I think I like being a renegade and will better myself and my business according to what I feel is right for me, not some commitee of competitors.

More power to them if they do succeed, but it's not for me. :sqeek:
 
Kirby, I'm kinda on the edge of both sides!

I am a man willing to network, but if my business is working just fine, why fix it??

I wish not to work with some of the local DJs in this area, because I dont really respect them. They have "burnt" customers in the past, and I cant really forgive them yet!

I am 100% for the customer, and when some DJ burns them, it pisses me off! I wouldnt mind to network with the more established and more professional DJs in this area, but thats about it!

I dont need to tell the "weak" DJs whats wrong with them, just to have them "take my business out!"

I am not all to myself, but I need to protect my interests too!

Every DJ is different, and thats the problem. But thank god, I am building my business on "my credential" and I am offering some of the best service to be desired as a client of a DJ!

Nor am I egotistical, but every event I have done, I have made sure the last thing I did, was "take the money and run!"

60% of the DJ services in this area, are in it for them money, and they have told me this! So its not "my own figuring!"

So I do understand networking can be positive, but only with the right "PROFESSIONAL" companies!

And I am not going to get into a 'professional' pissing match!

Professional is a loose term which bottom line means...........another DJ company that actually gives 100% concern for their customers!

Your budday!
Adam Rybakowski (Party Revolution)

ps....yea I am in it for the money, but the customer has always, and will always come first...the paycheck comes second!
 
I am a man willing to network, but if my business is working just fine, why fix it??

There's a couple of local DJs who I have spoken to in the past and wouldn't mind sitting down with them more of a one-on-on type of situation. I don't think that I'd be a good candidate for the "commitee" style meetings.

I wish not to work with some of the local DJs in this area, because I dont really respect them. They have "burnt" customers in the past, and I cant really forgive them yet!

Yup, there are several in this area which I have absolutely no respect for and I would just be "dirt under their feet" so to speak.

I am 100% for the customer, and when some DJ burns them, it pisses me off! I wouldnt mind to network with the more established and more professional DJs in this area, but thats about it!

The customer is why we are in business, if not for them we'd be spinning the music for ourselves.
I'm a bit leery of the hidden agenda that seems to be behind this "networking" letter, especially after reading the enclosed article that was sent along.


I dont need to tell the "weak" DJs whats wrong with them, just to have them "take my business out!"

Agreed, I don't feel I'm in a position to "tell" anyone how they should run their business or what's wrong with them. I believe the market place will take care of those who chose not to run their businesses efficiently.

I am not all to myself, but I need to protect my interests too!

If we don't protect our own interests, who will? You have a resposibility to think of the future of your business and how you will survive in your local economy.

Every DJ is different, and thats the problem. But thank god, I am building my business on "my credential" and I am offering some of the best service to be desired as a client of a DJ!

Nope, I don't think it's a problem that every DJ is different. I think that's what is good about this industry. I certainly don't want to be a clone of someone else and I don't think that you do either. I certainly don't want someone dictating to me what I need to be doing. If I'm not doing a good job, then I'll be out of business in short time.

Nor am I egotistical, but every event I have done, I have made sure the last thing I did, was "take the money and run!"

Being "egotistical" is not they way for me either. I would rather project confidence, reliability, flexibility, honesty and integrity as my description of how I want to promote myself.

Money is important, for without it we couldn't and wouldn't be in business. It's how we honestly earn that money is what's important.

60% of the DJ services in this area, are in it for them money, and they have told me this! So its not "my own figuring!"

I'm sure that is the driving factor in why a lot of people do what they do. I too, want to earn money but I truly enjoy what I'm doing and I believe that you do also.

So I do understand networking can be positive, but only with the right "PROFESSIONAL" companies!

Networking can be a positive thing, but I'm not ready to throw my hat in with a bunch of my competitors that I feel have a hidden agenda. This of course is my own take on this and they may be completely up front about what they are trying to do, I'm just a bit pessimistic.


And I am not going to get into a 'professional' pissing match!

Professional is a loose term which bottom line means...........another DJ company that actually gives 100% concern for their customers!

I believe that whether you do 1 event a year or 1,000, it's how you conduct yourself that will determine whether you are a professional or not.


Your budday!
Adam Rybakowski (Party Revolution)

ps....yea I am in it for the money, but the customer has always, and will always come first...the paycheck comes second!



I'll just say that the customer and the paycheck will go hand in hand and we need both!


Adam:

It's been nice typing at ya! I enjoyed your comments.

Kirby
 
In my local area we have an informal gathering of DJs the first Monday of every month. No association, no dues, no agenda. Just people in the same field getting together to blow off steam, share ideas and maybe even b**** a little about the types of clients we all love to hate.

Any DJ is welcome, and we have had as few as 3 people show up, and as many as a dozen. There are part-timers and full-timers, single-ops and multi-ops, and guess what? We can all sit around the table and share because there is a mutual respect across the board.

It doesn't ALWAYS have to be about an agenda or egos. And when it isn't, it can be a pretty damned good time! More than one person on this board attends the "gatherings" regularly and can attest that DJs can get together and just enjoy each other's company, even when they are "competitors" in the same region...

By the way, if you are in upstate NY the first Monday of next month, we'd love to see you there too...
 
Kirby:

He's just trying to form a local association. That is a very good idea.

I have been part of the Baltimore Area DJ Association for almost four years now. I currently am the Program Director for the organization. Our purpose is to bring local DJs together to help each other out. We also back each other up, share work, and we have an emergency system available to the membership.

Growth and training is a big part of BADJA.

I'd seek this guy out and help himif you can.

Just my 2% of $1.00.
 
Kirby:

He's just trying to form a local association. That is a very good idea.

I have been part of the Baltimore Area DJ Association for almost four years now. I currently am the Program Director for the organization. Our purpose is to bring local DJs together to help each other out. We also back each other up, share work, and we have an emergency system available to the membership.

Growth and training is a big part of BADJA.

I'd seek this guy out and help himif you can.

Just my 2% of $1.00.


I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, I'm just a bit skeptical about this overall.

I'm not much of a "joiner" and "commitee type of guy", but that's just me.

Remember, I'm one of the newer guys in town nipping at their heels and may not be too well received by the "big guns" if they are in attendance.

I'm still mulling it over.

I appreciate your feedback and it was worth a lot more than 2% for sure! :thumbsup:
 
In my local area we have an informal gathering of DJs the first Monday of every month. No association, no dues, no agenda. Just people in the same field getting together to blow off steam, share ideas and maybe even b**** a little about the types of clients we all love to hate.

Any DJ is welcome, and we have had as few as 3 people show up, and as many as a dozen. There are part-timers and full-timers, single-ops and multi-ops, and guess what? We can all sit around the table and share because there is a mutual respect across the board.

It doesn't ALWAYS have to be about an agenda or egos. And when it isn't, it can be a pretty damned good time! More than one person on this board attends the "gatherings" regularly and can attest that DJs can get together and just enjoy each other's company, even when they are "competitors" in the same region...

By the way, if you are in upstate NY the first Monday of next month, we'd love to see you there too...


Very true, I can agree with that.

I've just had a couple of run-ins with the big-cheese in this area and no matter how I've greeted him, he's been an a** towards me. I'm afraid if I'm locked up in a room with him might bring out the worst in me. I've had dealings with a few of his employees and they are all fine.

Thanks for your thoughts......

I'd probably have more fun being at one of your gatherings... :D
 
I've just had a couple of run-ins with the big-cheese in this area and no matter how I've greeted him, he's been an a** towards me. I'm afraid if I'm locked up in a room with him might bring out the worst in me. I've had dealings with a few of his employees and they are all fine...

...I'd probably have more fun being at one of your gatherings... :D

I've no doubt that you would! :sqbiggrin: Part of the beauty of these get-togethers is that we have one of the area's "biggest of the big cheeses" sitting down sharing ideas with a guy like me...

Then there are the folks who get so full of themselves that they forget how full of something else they can be!!
 
The letter is a serious mistake.

A local association would be fine, but he has specifically indicated that his motive is to balance prices.

He has suggested doing something illegal - and actually put it in writing.

Somebody needs to remind him that prudent businessmen will discuss almost anything - but price and how to change it is a big NO!

Sometimes you can be guilty of price fixing without even trying.
Consider this:

Charlie and Kal both run ice cream parlos in Whoville. One day while in the Barber shop, Charlie casually asks Kal what he thinks about the recent increases in wholesale chocolate syrup. He later asks what Kal is getting these days for his soft-serve chocolate cones. Kal mentions his price, and Charlie comments on his own. Neither man suggested any changes, or made any kind of recommendations. Just a quick mention of the present state of affairs.
Is that price fixing?

It could be!
Because it just so happens that Charlie and Kal are the only two businesses selling ice cream in that town. A reasonable person could easily infer that their innocent "price comparisons" actually constitute an unwitting opportunity to level pricing between the two competitors.
 
The letter is a serious mistake.

A local association would be fine, but he has specifically indicated that his motive is to balance prices.

He has suggested doing something illegal - and actually put it in writing.

Somebody needs to remind him that prudent businessmen will discuss almost anything - but price and how to change it is a big NO!

I don't know this particular DJ and don't know what his true motives are, but it did seem to me the pricing issue was the "not so subliminal" message that he/they were primarily concerned about.


Sometimes you can be guilty of price fixing without even trying.
Consider this:

Charlie and Kal both run ice cream parlos in Whoville. One day while in the Barber shop, Charlie casually asks Kal what he thinks about the recent increases in wholesale chocolate syrup. He later ask What Kal is getting these days for his soft-serve chocolate cones. Kal mentions his price, and Charlie comments on his own. Neither ma suggested any changes, or recommendations. Just a quick mention of the present state of affairs.
Is that price fixing?

It could be!
Because it just so happens that Charlie and Kal are the only two businesses selling ice cream in that town. A reasonable person could easily infer that their innocent "price comparisons" actually constitute an unwitting opportunity to level pricing between the two competitors.

Thanks for the examples.

Pro:

I appreciate the feedback here!

Thanks,

Kirby
 
Although.....certain DJs can bring something to my table!

I still need to go see Tyrone Blue! He has a lot of advice I can use and respect!

His is not one of those A-1 buttholes, hes a "genuine" "customer caring" DJ!

Thats the people I want to be around! Thats the people who can offer me the best advice, without talking about "my prices!"

I'll make my own decisions when it comes to this matter!

Respectfully,
Adam Rybakowski (Party Revolution)