School & Teen Events You've got $6000 to build a system for schools, how do you spend it.

[eezee]

I can tell you there is a huge opportunity is available and I am ready to move my pawns and make a move.

Just the potential from my gigs is anywhere from $600-$900 per event. I've will do at least 5-6 events for sure this year.

And this does not include being able to market more exclusively into schools. And...it helps advertise my youth project for other bigger towns, where the take home is a lot bigger.

This isn't a bad idea...some of you people are under estimating this area just a wee bit. You look on the map and see one town has only 300 people, but you don't realize these smalls towns normally have consolidated schools, and people add up quickly. Sometimes 4-5 towns.

I normally stay out of threads like these, because really, its none of my business whatever anyone does with their money. Or if they starve trying to build a 6K$ rig. Really.

But I will put in my .02 and coming from a person like me that doesnt say a lot, take it with a grain of salt.

Alll the quotes highlighted in the red are all in FUTURE TENSE and dont show that you have ownership of such.

Words like POTENTIAL, IS AVAILBLE. None of these gigs belong to you yet.

How many people on boards have said " HEY , I WANT TO START UPLIGHTING, BUT I DONT HAVE ANY PICS. CAN SOMEONE LEND ME SOME PICTURES SO I DONT HAVE TO STEAL AND PRETEND THEIR MINE? AT LEAST IT GIVES MY FUTURE CLIENTS A REFERENCE OF WHAT I PLAN TO PROVIDE THEM" No harm here. Book the Uplights based on these, then when they have bought the Uplight package, then go ahead and buy them.

Book a few of these SUPER SCHOOL DANCES first that will pay for at least 50% of the gear then upgrade.

Remember, that NONE of your posts so far have indicated that you have commitments yet, just that you dont have the gear to chase after these clients.
Remember all the dot.com startups? Theys sold products and services that didnt even exist to Startup Investors and made tons of cash. Some delivered and many didnt. But they were still able to sell themselves.

Buying the gear is the EASY part. Selling yourself and your service and following through and delivering is the harder part IMO.

 

[ahoustondj]

Adam, I would really like to see pics of you with your different pieces of gear! Really! No stock photos, only pics of you at home with your gear.

 

[jtnichol]

Not interested in the bantering....I haven't been on here in a while, but if I had $6000 for a PA, I'd go get some stuff we have in KC on Craigs.

2 - Cerwin Vega folded horn Subs for $1200
2 - 15" Sonic subs for $500
2 - Dual 15" Sonic Mains..$500

Got a supplier for LED's here in KC. Spend $1000 on him for some 9w stuff he's got.
A couple of QSC's out there, a Dyna amp out there too...

Probably have 2K leftover to save for expenses and see if the gigs come in.

 

[DJMN]

Adam, I would really like to see pics of you with your different pieces of gear! Really! No stock photos, only pics of you at home with your gear.

I've shared some photos on here already.

I have no kick butt setup yet.

 

[DJMN]

I've got a $6000 budget to create my own awesome setup, help me spend it.

I want a setup for me that I can entertain myself. How would you spend the cash?


Everyone is so darn hooked on what bookings or what not, so lets say I have no bookings.

I have $7000 and I don't care to return an investment. What would you suggest I spend my cash on?

 

[Guest]

I still say Adam, you need to get the basic tools to do what you want. Starting with a WEBSITE!!!

You are trying to be successful before you even start. Not the right way to do things.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Was this really necessary, Adam?

 

[DJMN]

Was this really necessary, Adam?

Is it necessary for "certain" people to come and rip on me when I ask a serious question on my other thread?

Yes this is necessary.

I want to build a kick butt setup without all the stupid posts that judge me and my business. Plain and simple.

 

[DJMN]

How on earth can I not ask a simple question and have my whole business judged?

Who gives a f*** if I am wasting money and time?

I asked a serious question and some people seem to hinge on my every word.

And why was this thread not canned during the first page?

 

[Papa Deuce]

Is it necessary for "certain" people to come and rip on me when I ask a serious question on my other thread?

Yes this is necessary.

I want to build a kick butt setup without all the stupid posts that judge me and my business. Plain and simple.

Adam, sorry to say, as I am sure you are a nice guy, but your posts BEG to be judged and ripped apart. It's almost like you ask for it intentionally when one week you need financial assistance, and then 10 days later you are talking about buying a $6000 ANYTHING.

I will now bow out and wish you well.

 

[USDJ]

You need to be more specific:

"Old School" passive speakers, big iron amps?

"New School" powered cabs?

How big a room? Inside? Outside? All these variables would come into play.

Best,

Paul

 

[Papa Deuce]

Once again...thread derailed!


Thanks Papa for proving a point.

Pot stirred buddy.

Funny how a select few individuals on the board actually gave some advice. While others just prowled the thread waiting for some bait.

Would it help if someone else would ask this question so I can get some answers?

I was going to stay silent, but now I can't. What would HELP is if you stopped stirring pots looking for attention, and just posted threads about what you really want / need / can afford.

Put all the crazy stuff in the pub. That's what it is there for.

 

[USDJ]

*puts arms in the air on this one*


Thanks Paul...but I can't seem to gain any ground because I got too many people ready to derail threads. Sorry Paul for wasting your time.

Not wasting my time......

Me, I "swing both ways" with big passive SRX JBL's and Crowns, to my powered EON15G2's for small gigs....and the heavy but excellent sounding powered QSC HPR153i 3 way tops and pair of QSC HPR181i 18" powered subs I picked up in the last couple weeks.

I have far more equipment than I get regular call for, however looking at it long term, I'm ready for just about anything that may come my way.

Me, I like a nice used "deal", and patience has paid off with some great equipment in near new condition and appearance, at a fraction of internet pricing.

Best,

Paul

 

[DJMN]

Not wasting my time......

Me, I "swing both ways" with big passive SRX JBL's and Crowns, to my powered EON15G2's for small gigs....and the heavy but excellent sounding QSC HPR153i 3 way tops and pair of QSC HPR181i 18" subs I picked up in the last couple weeks.

I have far more equipment than I get regular call for, however looking at it long term, I'm ready for just about anything that may come my way.

Me, I like a nice used "deal", and patience has paid off with some great equipment in near new condition and appearance, at a fraction of internet pricing.

Best,

Paul

Thanks Paul. I looked at the QSC at one point. But I screwed up last spring and bought a crappy system. Wish I didnt waste my money there.

Those 18s sound bad as heck?

 

[DJMN]

Shop used...

And PRAY for a miracle??

Wait...I just had an idea!

You should get a hold of Tyrone Blue and see if he will sell you Bernie's old JBL rig!
I think he paid $9,000 for it...And never used it that i know of..(He didn't know how to hook it up he said)

THAT would be a good school system..
And he's in your neck of the woods

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm serious. Call Tyrone and ask him if Bernies old rig is for sale.

That's an 8 box JBL rig..4 tops and 4 subs..Plus an amp rack and processing.
Hell of a deal

Ok, I don't know what's going on here. But if you need help PM me or call me. I'm happy to answer any questions. I do about 10 teen / school events a year.

2 LS 801p Subs. $2400.00
2 Yorkville E 215's double 15" tops $2200.00
1 Yorkville AP 4040 for the tops $1000.00
Sound processor or crossover $200.00

$200.00 on speaker cables and XLR cables.

$6000.00 well spent and you can scale down this rig for smaller events.

Amen to the 1....

Adam- think of Thunder and Tuck like the grandpa on the Waltons...sometimes grumpy...but well meaning.....

Now that i think of it, they are both old enough to be your grandpa

Well it depends on what you really want.

Go to http://www.speakerhardware.com/

This guy custom builds some of the best speakers at good prices.

I would go for at least 4 Titan 48's and 4 DR280's

If you can build them yourself go to http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/index.html

and but the plans and start building.

I want 8 of each so bad I can taste it.

To address the original question...

Unless and until you have a large number of school dance bookings that will carry over every year for years to come, I respectfully suggest that you not vest that much dough in a school dance rig.

Getting started, all you'd need for sound would be a pair of dually 15" 2-way cabs and a dually 18" with plenty of headroom in your amps. You can tri-amp the rig for a good tone with lots of thump.

It won't cost anywhere near $6 grand.

He already has some of what he needs.

If he adds a few GOOD subs, And GOOD amps to what he already has..He will be fine.

I gave him some suggestions in a PM this morning..and he said that was what he was looking for.

If he comes home with Pyle Pro's or Gem Sound's than he really didn't listen to me this time.
I suggested: EV QRX double 18's, JBL SRX 728's, Or Peavey QW218's (To help his standings with steve a bit)
All of which are great multiple use boxes, that could be cross rented, And are of the quality that could take years of use and keep coming back for more!

Plus, If he doesn't have the work for them, I'd buy them!

Adam,
Take a look at the EV's Kevin Nichols bought and look at the 18's just as Fred mentioned. You'll need amps, processing, cables and that's it. If those add up to too much money. Look at the Carvin stuff. But the most important thing is you need to sit down and let the "compass" stop spinning.

May I also recommend with said money get rid of iTunes and get some decent software, while iTunes may work you're only making people think anybody can be a successful DJ and as an end result you'll get even less clients because the competition is still going to grow.

For example let's use cars you have $250,000 and you want a Ferrari, you go and buy said Ferrari, but do you have the money for the insurance, maintenance, etc. ????

Thunder and Jon are giving you the truth in a harsh manner without any sugar coating. It's easier to do that as it will wake you up and bring you back to reality. The solutions are there and people are willing to help but people need to know exactly where you're standing and what is within reach you can blow the $6000.00 and never make your money back and the you'll really be up chit creek.

Adam,

PM Chuck (Maui Chuck) and ask him about the school dance market. Before moving to Maui, Chuck was the school dance guru in his market. His company had several schools that they worked for every year.

Chuck knows his stuff.

I too wanted a Killer school dance system.

I started my way in building it and realized that it was a complete waste. School dances in my area generally price out at $350 to $600. At that price point they get 2 15" Mains and 2 18" subs. and a 10 foot Lighting truss.

I had planned to provide 2 dual 18"s 2 dual 15"s side fill if needed. and 20 ft of lighting a 2 video screens. Nope not for less than $1000.

Not interested in the bantering....I haven't been on here in a while, but if I had $6000 for a PA, I'd go get some stuff we have in KC on Craigs.

2 - Cerwin Vega folded horn Subs for $1200
2 - 15" Sonic subs for $500
2 - Dual 15" Sonic Mains..$500

Got a supplier for LED's here in KC. Spend $1000 on him for some 9w stuff he's got.
A couple of QSC's out there, a Dyna amp out there too...

Probably have 2K leftover to save for expenses and see if the gigs come in.

See there are people here who understand the question.

 

[USDJ]

Thanks Paul. I looked at the QSC at one point. But I screwed up last spring and bought a crappy system. Wish I didnt waste my money there.

Those 18s sound bad as heck?

So far my initial impressions are quite good, however the only place I have listened to the complete QSC setup is my workshop....I have yet to gig it at a venue. The stuff is heavy, however extremely well-built and reek quality.

I always wanted 3 way tops. Vocals come through with a warmth and clarity that a 2 way top with woofer and compression driver just can't deliver. These QSC 3 ways and my JBL SR4732X are my current favorites in full range. My favorite 2 way tops are my passive JBL SRX 715's. These were way expensive however clear and clean and quite loud when need be.



It's funny though....I care FAR more about my sound quality than the majority of my clients. My location in north central trashville Massachusetts surely has some play in this though.

Best,

Paul

 

[DJMN]

So far my initial impressions are quite good, however the only place I have listened to the complete QSC setup is my workshop....I have yet to gig it at a venue. The stuff is heavy, however extremely well-built and reek quality.

I always wanted 3 way tops. Vocals come through with a warmth and clarity that a 2 way top with woofer and compression driver just can't deliver.

It's funny though....I care FAR more about my sound quality than the majority of my clients. My location in north central trashville Massachusetts surely has some play in this though.

Best,

Paul

Well I will definitely keep that in mind. I liked my mackie 3 way speakers, but they just dont get as loud as I would hope they would. They work just fine for most..again "most" applications, but not all applications.

 

[ahoustondj]

I always wanted 3 way tops. Vocals come through with a warmth and clarity that a 2 way top with woofer and compression driver just can't deliver.



It's funny though....I care FAR more about my sound quality than the majority of my clients. My location in north central trashville Massachusetts surely has some play in this though.

Best,

Paul

AMEN, AMEN to the above!

 

[qdupsoundz]

After owning three-way tops, I will never go back to the two-ways...... So much more comes out of the music!

And there is a difference between loudness and clarity! It isn't all about the volume level......My clock radio goes CRAZY loud, but doesn't sound good!!!

 

[Guest]

Adam,

You are correct, you did ask a simple question (just like the 100's of other simple questions you have asked)!

Ye now have thy answers and now can go forth and get thee thy school system!

May the gods smile upon your endeavors and may you have as much success as you are capable of gather unto yourself!

I am done now and will not bother to respond to any more of your threads or post because i am obviously picking on you and I just don't want to do that any more!

The truth is you kind of remind me of a "DJ" that was on another board who drove a tank in Iraq!