Why is it that Dj's approve of this, but not that?

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shanefrom302

shanefrom302

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Ok I have not really done any research before posting this question but it has been in the back of my mind for a loooong time and I am pretty bored at work so I hope to strike up a good ol chat with my fellow dj's.

Why is it that there are DJ's who say they would never play an illegally downloaded mp3 at a show or any pirated music becuase they not going to violate any copyright laws and violate any terms with dj associations (etc. you get the point, just fill in whatever excuse you have heard as to why a dj will not play a song from limewire, etc.)

THEN the EXACT dj's are turning around and offering video games at their events. (rock band, guitar hero, dance dance revolution) They are brining and also suggest to other dj's to add on ps3's and xbox's so you can bring in extra revenue, please more clients, blah blah blah. Now I am the biggest nerd(imo) when it comes to video games. Every video game manual and most games have a screen similar to the FBI WARNING you see at the beggining of movies warning that this game is not for public display, make money from it, and all that stuff. (Sorry I do not have an actual warning to copy n paste, if I find it I will add it)

So why is it that these DJ's that are too professional to use an illegal mp3 have no problem breaking the user agreement for the video games they rent?



Now if these dj services where purchasing the actual arcade cabinets then I can understand 100% there are many arcade rental services that provide arcade games for a few hours or days. Those games are set with coin mechanisms and are designed for pay per play. Home systems are just the opposite, So why is it that dj's and dj associations who are against illegal mp3s are not against dj's using home gaming consoles????
 
Private event ;) not public :D:D:D:D:D
 
Does the private event argument hold up against music copyrights? We don't use illegal downloads at our events, but are these events not private too?
 
Because most of the ones promoting video games as an add-on are hypocrites.
 
DJ Ronster said:
Does the private event argument hold up against music copyrights? We don't use illegal downloads at our events, but are these events not private too?
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That what I've seen the arguments about.and the area is all shades of gray ;)
 
I can just imagine clients really sitting back in thier chair saying " **** we could have stayed home and watched billy play that damn game box all night"

As a parent why would I hire a service to provide the games when for the same prices I could go out and buy my son that game and systems to keep forever, instead of 3-4 hours.




meanwhile I am going to step away and add videogames to my list of services......lol jk, maybe not, lol
 
there is no shade of gray... just because it is a private event will not get you out of it. YOU are making money off it.

This is a very good question from someone who hangs in the arcade as much as you do! LOL

I would have never thought about it but yes, it would seem exactly that, illegal.

If you "pirate" music it is illegal. You don't have to play it anywhere. No shade of gray.
 
Chuck The DJ said:
This is a very good question from someone who hangs in the arcade as much as you do! LOL
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See I told you I was a huge game nerd!!!

Oh yeah Chuck I am going to take your pang title away from you!!!! I have been trying for weeks now, seriously.

For anyone who has xbox live and free time on the weekends in between gigs check out 1 vs 100!!! It's pretty fun and eventually you can win real prizes from playing at home!!!!
 
What I was referring to Chuck was playing legally purchased music at a private event. Piracy cannot be tolerated.
 
DJ SVO said:
What I was referring to Chuck was playing legally purchased music at a private event. Piracy cannot be tolerated.
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I could be mistaken on this, but I don't think so, .. BUT REALLY we are all doing it illegally.

Even if we get music legally, when we play it and get paid for it, no matter public or private, if we are not paying ASCAP or BMI or whatever it is, we are in the wrong.
 
shanefrom302 said:
So why is it that these DJ's that are too professional to use an illegal mp3 have no problem breaking the user agreement for the video games they rent?
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vpver2 said:
Because most of the ones promoting video games as an add-on are hypocrites.
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I would like to add an adjective, with a qualitative adverb: <I>very pragmatic</I>
 
I could be wrong, I'm just posting what I have read and heard.

Music and video are covered differently as to copyright. I believe Shane is correct in that video (and that includes video games) is not covered by the same protocol as music. That's why people can rent DVDs but not music CDs in this country.

DJs are considered promotional, the same classification as retail stores that have video games on display. Promotional music video that comes from Promo and others is licenced for promotional use. Store-bought DVD is not. That's my understanding, anyhow.

Thoughts?
 
As has been mentioned, the legalities regarding DJing are multi-faceted, only made more complicated by any number of multi-media "add-ons" that have been added over the years - karaoke (which in and of itself has had legal challenges, along the way), music video, slideshows (don't I legally need some kind of permission to sync a clients' images to copywritten music?). Video games vs. illegally downloaded music is and "apples" vs. "oranges" argument to me, but bring up lots of questions.

I don't have the answers, and wish there were definitive answers to these questions.
 
Steve Sharp said:
As has been mentioned, the legalities regarding DJing are multi-faceted, only made more complicated by any number of multi-media "add-ons" that have been added over the years - karaoke (which in and of itself has had legal challenges, along the way), music video, slideshows (don't I legally need some kind of permission to sync a clients' images to copywritten music?). Video games vs. illegally downloaded music is and "apples" vs. "oranges" argument to me, but bring up lots of questions.

I don't have the answers, and wish there were definitive answers to these questions.
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There are, they are called the copy right laws!
 
Steve:

There are: public performance (and other usage) rights, publishing rights, copyrights, "fair use" rights, purchase and "terms of usage" agreements, and syncronization rights - off the top of my head. Do you mean to tell me YOU have all the answers?
 
Getting right down to brass tax anyon using a home copy of Windows XP or Vista is breaking the law also. You are supposed to be using the upgrades for business purposes
 
i was just at Panchos and Leftys pub here in Surrey and the band was awesome. the girls as usual as i? LIVE in Surrey. I met some Mexicans from Mexico City they escaped. Brother Jake I know that which you speak after talking with them. They are happy to be gone.
 
Steve Sharp said:
Steve:

There are: public performance (and other usage) rights, publishing rights, copyrights, "fair use" rights, purchase and "terms of usage" agreements, and syncronization rights - off the top of my head. Do you mean to tell me YOU have all the answers?
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Yes. I believe he probably does.

Most peoiple I have known who are serious about a career in this business take the time to know the legal issues central to running their business.

DJs need to learn the difference between a private and public performance, performing rights, mechanical rights, distribution rights, and licenses.

The law is the same for music, video, and arcade games.
What may differ is the terms of your individual license agreement.
 
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