Peter Merry Seminar in Las Vegas

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Main Event I do know what your saying though and it is a valid point..

All we do is bash each other part time and full time. Sure all of us know we can rock a party but some of us realize theres more to it then just packing the dance floor.

If you truly love Djing, then dont you deserve to do it full time and make more money doing it then working for someone else. If you think of DJing as a side line business then thats all it will ever be. Since most DJs and I'd like to say 99% of all DJs do this as a part time business, they think of it only as supplemental income thusly they can afford to discount it from what it is truly worth. In fact your weekly job masks the fact that all the facets with running a successful and profitable DJ company are expensive. To prove that point try living off what you make as a DJ currently, then try to grow your business.

You'll only ever know unless you are a full time DJ.
 
A higher priced DJ is NOT a greedy one. Only a person driven solely by money is greedy.

An XX% profit is an XX% profit. It doesn't matter if your gross was $30K or $100K, if the profit margin is the same. It's all about scale and how one measures success.

It also depends greatly on what type of lifestyle you're trying to support. Small family/big family? One car/three cars? Blah Blah Blah... That part is subjective.

I'm as guilty of (and sorry for) getting my pants in a bunch as the next person. Nobody likes to hear another suggest what they are doing is shallow or not sensible.
My right to be offended that there are people out there marketing their own opinions for profit is the same as their right to do so. At the same time, I find comfort in knowing that the world is made up of as many different clients as there are businesses.

At the end of the day, if you feel good about what you're doing, you're successful.

Debate is healthy and useful. Let's just keep it in perspective before it turns ugly. This forum was developed to be better than that.




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All we do is bash each other part time and full time. Sure all of us know we can rock a party but some of us realize theres more to it then just packing the dance floor.

If you truly love Djing, then dont you deserve to do it full time and make more money doing it then working for someone else. If you think of DJing as a side line business then thats all it will ever be. Since most DJs and I'd like to say 99% of all DJs do this as a part time business, they think of it only as supplemental income thusly they can afford to discount it from what it is truly worth. In fact your weekly job masks the fact that all the facets with running a successful and profitable DJ company are expensive. To prove that point try living off what you make as a DJ currently, then try to grow your business.

You'll only ever know unless you are a full time DJ.

I'm glad that you are so passionate about what you do. However, I think it's safe to say that the general public will NEVER care that deeply about this profession and what the difference is between a hobby DJ and a business DJ. They only want the service they bought. If all goes well, both DJs succeed.

The two will never really affect each other, so don't sweat it.
 
This is a hall problem and one many face, it is called available space. It is also a problem brides face it is called a budget! If all brides could afford the grand ballroom at the Hilton, bar placement would not be a problem. But that is not the case and it is a problem that many people put their heads together and try to come up with a decent solution.

It is amazing that a DJ can answer this so easily for every venue and every bride.
There are many bridal "checklist items" in this above quote. And, as a DJ that is so commonly placed in a reactionary stance of: "here are all the pieces to my 'reception puzzle,' you put it together." Even with tight budget constraints, and an advanced knowledge of what resources a bride can get with limited monies available, she can do better than without the advanced advice.

Yes it is incredibly easy for us to 'always have an answer.' We are involved in 20-, 40-, 80-, 500 more weddings per year than a bride is in her lifetime. Vice versa, the halls see an exponential number more DJs in a year than a bride ever will in her lifetime. But is is our right as individual hosts, and business owners to act how we see fit to express (or not express) what we see in the trenches.


The Book is not written for the bride nor the hall, all it really is capable of doing is causing tension between the venues and the brides.
Not really. If the bride is well-informed before she starts selecting the various contractors involved for that evening, she's not even going to have deeper considerations. Since we're on the topic of the hall, if she knows two rooms (or unrealistic layouts) can pose hurdles for accomplishing a goal of "Best," - she's just going to say "No thank you" and move on to continue shopping. Now, if she's got the two-room, unrealistic layout hall secured, and then reads the book, yes there's potential for tensions. And I totally agree.


Wouldn't it be nice if we all had the insight that a good wedding potographer had. I know it would certainly increase my income level. Yes this could be something a Potog might not like, seeing as how it is advice coming from a DJ who should be doing his job and allowing the potog to do his. I know how I reacted the two times I had a Potog try to tell me how to do my job.

Your right here(. I)t is not written for DJ's because a good DJ is going to concentrate on his own job and not that of everyone else.
Inherently, this is correct. The entertainment has a job. It's spelled out contractually, or detailed out on the dance planner. We can do 'just the job' and feel we've fulfilled the contract terms and dance needs. But when the person with the mic makes the polite effort behind the scenes to put together fluidness by communicating with every faction involved in the execution of the night, things go better.

I don't tell any photog what to do. I do, however, say "this is how I am considering doing whatever and when." If the shooter thinks something else will make his product better without damaging (I didn't say changing) my product, I'll seriously consider an adjustment. I can bend too, to assure fluidity.

Last evening for example, one of my dance planning committee members sought my mic to make the opening remarks, that led to the dinner blessing, which led to the opening of the buffet. One experienced glance told me that all the empty warmers meant the buffet wasn't out. I didn't go hound the caterers, I asked how long those three spoken parts were anticipated to take. It seemed the buffet wasn't going to be 'out' in less time than the anticipated announcments. All I needed to do was make a noticable glance at the line of guests at the bar to suggest we hold off. The committee member took that cue and nobody was interfered with. I just influenced natural flow over meddling. Only I was 'in the know' of the possible uncomforts that were potentially dodged.

But back to the topic, as it relates to Steve's quote. If a bride is thinking "whats the overall 'color' of the venue, and I dress my girls in 'this color' what will my pictures turn out like?"

Advice like that hurts no one. But it is advice we see every once in a while and have the potential to share.

A bride that can afford 4 foot vases for center pieces is also going to be able to afford a wedding consultant who's job it is to take care of these things and once again we have a DJ with his hand where it doesn't belong.
I am in an area that doesn't have a big consultant population. I don't really run across many contracted consultants. But there is once city that I often travel to that has 4-foot vases made available on a very regular basis.

It's not about what bride can afford which ammenity, it's about who sold the bride what the best. The vases are an upsell. The vases are pretty. The vases provide an inital "OOooh!" that they are supposed to. No one sells the rental of 4-foot vases to a bride so the guests won't be able see the headtable during the toasts. When a guest is not involved, they are not participating. If they are not participating, they are yapping with someone at their table, if they are yapping at thier own table, not only are they not getting caught up in the moment of what's being said at the head table, they are disturbing those that are trying. In my humble opinion, simple 4-foot vases have a negitive impact with making the best reception ever.

The information isn't being laid out so the DJ can come back to a chat board and say 'That was the best reception, ever!' It's spelled-out so someone in the bride's invitation list can come up to her and say "That was the best reception, ever."

There is a pattern here and if we follow it as it continues, it ends up in the Honeymoon Suite explaining to the bride how to get the most out of her wedding night sex. The DJ doesn't belong there either.
Two words: Tonya Harding




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That is exactly my goal sir but I does not happen overnight!


Sorry fat fingers (I meant to say it does not happen overnight
 
Ken,

Coordination with the other service providers is already a given, which we all should be doing anyway it is part of our job!

If I had known you were talking about something everyone should already be doing I would have had a different take on Peter's book.

So it is a self help book for ???????????

Perhaps Peter just stumbled onto these insites recently and like any excited 5 year old felt that he wanted to share. or the 15 year old that discovered suddenly he is smarter than everyone else.

What I certainly hope is that you aren't seeing any of this as new.

I hope all DJs have been checking with the caterer before annoucing the buffet line is open.

I certainly hope every DJ talks with the Photog and sets up a schedule from the primary functions, so that both are on the same page. It ain't new Ken.

Do you really feel a DJ should be so deeply involved with a bride that he is going to give her fashion tips? I think this is over the top and out of scope.

Two words!

Monica Lewinsky
 
Yes, these things are things we should be doing, and I suspect more and more DJs are actually doing them.



So, is the issue:

"Brides have information coming that can help them avert pitfalls in a book."

or is it

"Brides have information coming that can help them avert pitfalls in a book written by Peter Merry."
 
No the issue is:

If brides actually buy or read this book see that it is nothing more than what it is, they start seeing all DJs and total idiots and trying to tell them how to have a good time and how the Dj really wants their reception to be, that this will carry over onto the DJs who are actually out there working these events.

It then become more difficult to do the same job as it becomes even more micro managed.

It doesn't matter if it is Ken Peterson or Peter Merry, of course the pompous factor with Peter really doesn't help.

Ken I take it you have read Peters book in the manner you are talking about it.
 
Shouldnt we give this book a chance before we readily dismiss it's value and content? I can tell some of the others here have some hard feelings towards Mr Merry, he believes in what he does and abviously takes great pride in his work good for him. I don't think we should get into a personal attacks on anybody here no matter what happened in the past its the past! I may not agree with some people but I will never throw away good advice or ideas because of the person or my conflicts in the past with them.


This post was not directed at anyone individual just an overall thought!
 
Thank you Barry we truly need to remember what OURDJTALK is about and why we are here. If you cant leave it behind you are in fact still there.
 
I showed your website to my wife the other night in preparation for the royal visit...she thought it was the best she's ever seen..I've never disagreed with that.....

At the end she refused to believe you were a dj, or entertainer; she thought you were a wedding planner.........

Very slick, but I found it exhausting! It's like unwrapping a gift with a box inside of a box inside of a box....and then you find what it is. I only stayed with it because of this thread. I would have clicked off it if I was DJ shopping.

Just a fluffy way of selling. Don't take me to school, tell me what you do.

IMO, annoying.
 
Colleagues : Having followed the public evolution of Peter Merry, from the early days of GWYW to the present, with a cautious yet open mind, this past year of active, upfront, and intelligent thread postings mark the maturation completion in terms of truly recognizing the DJ community.

Only after giving your all to this ungrateful industry does one recognize the way to greater personal success is neither by raising the bar as a group effort, clearly shown in his ADJA leadership, nor, via his seminars and information sharing, can the bar be raised by reaching down and pulling it up.

The road to success is by market client awareness, building a reputation within one's area, make the least mistakes in judgment and alliances, and deliver a product that though explained in the greatest of detail, cannot be duplicated. How does one describe and teach passion, vision, heart, and experience that can be duplicated by any another? Some of our colleagues have tried, ver batim, and failed, by their own admissions.

The discourse on ProDJ a while back caused this observer to begin to look at many of the detractors and it became quite clear how ill-equipped they are to carry on an intelligent debate, needing to take dissenting opinion to the "in your face", "fingering pointing", personal mode.

The profile of the more vehement opposition, when taken in light of other postings made, seem to accuse Peter Merry of themselves. Curious, indeed.

Looking very forward to what will definitely be a ground-breaking book. And I expect it to be autographed in Vegas.
 
No one has read it yet...it goes to the printers on Monday or Tuesday and will be available at the Mobile Beat Show on the 21st.

Cap...count on it friend!

Ken~

Based on how badly you butchered the points of my seminar when you were actually in attendance...I am beginning to get a clearer picture about why your "balloon" based on 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of my (and others) materials and ideas got "popped" for you.:sqwink:
 
"If brides start hiring DJs because they are full time and they are willing to pay a DJ $2000.00 or more a gig would you be unhappy about that? Seems some of you will be unhappy about anything.

I dont see the problem, peters trying to make pro DJs out of most of you. If you could make enough on the weekend so you didnt have to work at another job during the week, would you work that other job?"

Bob - I'm not a moron...If I was in a market where brides paid $2000.00, I wouldn't turn it away...This is not a "what you're worth" argument...

"peters trying to make pro DJs"

I am a pro dj.....not by Peter's definition though. Are you a pro dj by Peters definition? Can your family survive solely on your disc jockey events, not video, not photograph?

Peter seems so fixated on the definition of "professional" it its equating to full time. If he truly was and wants to be a leader.....dividing it isn't a way to do it...

Btw, I'm quite happy working a full time job and doing disc jockeying as second source of income.

"If you could make enough on the weekend so you didnt have to work at another job during the week,"

Sorry, this line makes no sense to me....No disc jockey makes enough on the weekend so they don't have to work at another job during the week. Don't you spend 30 hours or so during the week preparing for your weekend events, meeting new clients etc.?

I know you aren't schmoozing with other "industry leaders" or selling a book....

So Peter Merry has arrived...what has this "industry leader" contributed to this forum????

From what I've read in the last 8 pages......not a lot...
 
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