I think you guys are hippocrates not necessarily the people that have posted on this thread but this site in general. You will give your opinions on people that you know nothing about and bash someone new because they ask for help. But I make a post about someone I know personally and that I know likes to extend the truth and I am a bad guy. Well so be it I hope Cam does have a partner and he does take over the market I just don't think that is the case and I that's all I have to say about that.
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I find it funny you continue name calling. Go have a Beer with Cam and perhaps it will get better for you. Im sorry your having a bad day. Ya know what they say about opinions............especially from a lurking individual.
Clear,
Why call him out on a public forum if you know him personally? Wouldn't it be better if you called him on the phone to find out why he made the post in the first place.
99% of the internet is bull sh!t anyway.
I don't feel the need to call anyone out.
#1 The situation is hypethetical, I didn't ask the question do you think someone will give me money?
#2 $100K is a figurative number
#3 I made the statement that I have no idea if the guy is blowing smoke up my ass.
Well, I did talk to him this afternoon, things are going to change in my business but one step at a time.
Chris, is a great guy. He can call me what he wants it doesn't hurt. Nor will I be angry at him. I don't know what else can be said.
Anyone can think whatever they want of me, he just happens to live down the road. I think I have some good things coming for my future.
#1 The situation is hypethetical, I didn't ask the question do you think someone will give me money?
#2 $100K is a figurative number
#3 I made the statement that I have no idea if the guy is blowing smoke up my ass.
Well, I did talk to him this afternoon, things are going to change in my business but one step at a time.
Chris, is a great guy. He can call me what he wants it doesn't hurt. Nor will I be angry at him. I don't know what else can be said.
Anyone can think whatever they want of me, he just happens to live down the road. I think I have some good things coming for my future.
I hope your decision is a good one for you Sir! I wouldn't do it, but I'm old and crusty.
Go for it and be happy.
Go for it and be happy.
I think you misssed. Nothing very large scale. Just a few small things and we will see where that goes.
I'm not selling my soul to the devil for a possiblity. I think I was more BS'd by someone than anything that happed in the thread.
Cam, how do you really know definitively with any sum of cash you will be the biggest in your market? Biggest DJ or Biggest Gear or Best Gear? In theory, you could not buy a single piece of equipment, but charge a customer the appropriate fee to have the chance to play through a major FOH system supplied by a local SR company and not even have to own it.
Even if you did spend all that money what will you gain? Fame?
How many proms can you man in Pittsburg PA?
How many proms would you have to do to consider yourself THE ONE in Pittsburg?
Some proms around here hire SR companies to come in then FLY their DJ's in from NY.
So what kind of company would you be with multiple, very expensive, systems? An SR company or DJ company?
I thought the OP was gonna stir the pot without anyone else's help.
I'm not condoning this other fella for calling you out, but the OP you had was kinda far reaching. I can't say I really appreciate him with his lip, but dang, he is kinda tellin' it like it is.
I say go for it. If you are willing to make the sacrifice and have the energy to go get that money, go do it. Don't try to claim top dog. It makes no sense. Rest on your wisdom and laurels and do whatever you know you can succeed at. Don't form partnership with the state of PA in your endeavor. could get messy.
Thanks Cam, I like ya man and I KNOW from your posts you are a super capable person and its always good read your posts. Besides, I like turbosound too!
Even if you did spend all that money what will you gain? Fame?
How many proms can you man in Pittsburg PA?
How many proms would you have to do to consider yourself THE ONE in Pittsburg?
Some proms around here hire SR companies to come in then FLY their DJ's in from NY.
So what kind of company would you be with multiple, very expensive, systems? An SR company or DJ company?
I thought the OP was gonna stir the pot without anyone else's help.
I'm not condoning this other fella for calling you out, but the OP you had was kinda far reaching. I can't say I really appreciate him with his lip, but dang, he is kinda tellin' it like it is.
I say go for it. If you are willing to make the sacrifice and have the energy to go get that money, go do it. Don't try to claim top dog. It makes no sense. Rest on your wisdom and laurels and do whatever you know you can succeed at. Don't form partnership with the state of PA in your endeavor. could get messy.
Thanks Cam, I like ya man and I KNOW from your posts you are a super capable person and its always good read your posts. Besides, I like turbosound too!
Brother Cam,
You and your compadres know your market better than anyone. Only you can determine with any semblance of accuracy if a large, sudden growth will be financially responsible.
I can't speak for the rest, obviously... but my thoughts on aquisition of new business equipment are thus: DJs love to call it "toys", we in the collective enjoy buying new equipment etc. But remember, this is business. You don't simply buy new equipment just for the bragging rights. In truth, you're investing profit back into your business. There has to be a return on that investment.
We've been running the same Carvin passive FOH rig for years. It has a fine tone and has paid for itself many times over. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go... the Eons, the L1... and now Dynacord is the cat's pajamas. For you guys who feel like you've just got to rush out and buy it, good for you. For our part, our nine-year-old FOH is making money for us and giving good satisfaction. The decision to invest in it was made after many months of research and reading reviews. It was not an impulse buy... and it wasn't all purchased at one fell swoop. It was planned and purchased over time. That research and planning paid off. We don't need to replace it. Not one of the "must-haves", before or hence is a necessary expenditure for us.
The purchase of business equipment is a necessary evil when growing your business. So are hiring and training employees and the additional expenses and time that come with it. So you want to squeeze as much return from your investments as you possibly can. Taking a loss on resale of an L1 set is not a good return on your investment, sorry. If it's only been loaded out for five shows, did it really make a profit for you?
Oh wait... a bunch of people said the L1 was the latest and greatest. It slices, it dices. So let's all fork over a lot of money for a little line array rig with the Bose logo on it. Why, customers will be beating down yer door, just because your rig has a Bose logo.
A 100 grand shot in the arm overnight won't suddenly increase your gross receipts overnight. And if this partner or investor thinks otherwise, you're in line to get a royal dicking. So please, think this through.
You and your compadres know your market better than anyone. Only you can determine with any semblance of accuracy if a large, sudden growth will be financially responsible.
I can't speak for the rest, obviously... but my thoughts on aquisition of new business equipment are thus: DJs love to call it "toys", we in the collective enjoy buying new equipment etc. But remember, this is business. You don't simply buy new equipment just for the bragging rights. In truth, you're investing profit back into your business. There has to be a return on that investment.
We've been running the same Carvin passive FOH rig for years. It has a fine tone and has paid for itself many times over. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go... the Eons, the L1... and now Dynacord is the cat's pajamas. For you guys who feel like you've just got to rush out and buy it, good for you. For our part, our nine-year-old FOH is making money for us and giving good satisfaction. The decision to invest in it was made after many months of research and reading reviews. It was not an impulse buy... and it wasn't all purchased at one fell swoop. It was planned and purchased over time. That research and planning paid off. We don't need to replace it. Not one of the "must-haves", before or hence is a necessary expenditure for us.
The purchase of business equipment is a necessary evil when growing your business. So are hiring and training employees and the additional expenses and time that come with it. So you want to squeeze as much return from your investments as you possibly can. Taking a loss on resale of an L1 set is not a good return on your investment, sorry. If it's only been loaded out for five shows, did it really make a profit for you?
Oh wait... a bunch of people said the L1 was the latest and greatest. It slices, it dices. So let's all fork over a lot of money for a little line array rig with the Bose logo on it. Why, customers will be beating down yer door, just because your rig has a Bose logo.
A 100 grand shot in the arm overnight won't suddenly increase your gross receipts overnight. And if this partner or investor thinks otherwise, you're in line to get a royal dicking. So please, think this through.
System won't let me give thanks X2, so a big AMEN to Fred's post above!
Far too many dj's fail to think like business owners and approach the whole venture as a hobby they get paid to have. That's all fine and well, and it is great (some would say essential) to get satisfaction out of what you do to make money, but if you wish to become any kind of force to be reckoned with, you need to spend money to make money, and treat the WHOLE thing LIKE a business.
That means making purchases either on an as needed basis, or as a carefully calculated move that includes a detailed and thorough plan to make an otherwise unjustified outlay with a plan to recoup that investment plus a profit all well within the expected lifetime of the thing(s) being purchased.
If you just want to have "the bigger" and "the better" and are not going to consistently and appropriately increase your rates to account for it, it is not money well-spent from a business standpoint.
Will you get a few (probably a couple... most likely ONE... if that) more $500 or $700 (substitute what you currently are charging for events there) events simply because you have bigger shinier, better "stuff?" Maybe. Even if you do, it won't be enough to justify it in the end.
Making an investment like that means you have to make a return on it, and will thus mean you do have to enter into a whole new segment of the market along with all of the pricing and sales & marketing overhaul that would come with that.
Be smart!
Far too many dj's fail to think like business owners and approach the whole venture as a hobby they get paid to have. That's all fine and well, and it is great (some would say essential) to get satisfaction out of what you do to make money, but if you wish to become any kind of force to be reckoned with, you need to spend money to make money, and treat the WHOLE thing LIKE a business.
That means making purchases either on an as needed basis, or as a carefully calculated move that includes a detailed and thorough plan to make an otherwise unjustified outlay with a plan to recoup that investment plus a profit all well within the expected lifetime of the thing(s) being purchased.
If you just want to have "the bigger" and "the better" and are not going to consistently and appropriately increase your rates to account for it, it is not money well-spent from a business standpoint.
Will you get a few (probably a couple... most likely ONE... if that) more $500 or $700 (substitute what you currently are charging for events there) events simply because you have bigger shinier, better "stuff?" Maybe. Even if you do, it won't be enough to justify it in the end.
Making an investment like that means you have to make a return on it, and will thus mean you do have to enter into a whole new segment of the market along with all of the pricing and sales & marketing overhaul that would come with that.
Be smart!
Cam,
Is there a DJ in the Pittsburgh Market doing Proms for over 2k?
I can think of a few that are 1k - 1.5k but nothing over 2k.
I would do a little research and see if there is enough clientele for this type of service.
Personally, I'm doing smaller schools (100-200 kid Proms) and looking at 1000-1200 for Friday nights.
No video, no karaoke, just rock the house...
That's my niche!
Jamie
Is there a DJ in the Pittsburgh Market doing Proms for over 2k?
I can think of a few that are 1k - 1.5k but nothing over 2k.
I would do a little research and see if there is enough clientele for this type of service.
Personally, I'm doing smaller schools (100-200 kid Proms) and looking at 1000-1200 for Friday nights.
No video, no karaoke, just rock the house...
That's my niche!
Jamie
Cam and I spoke on the phone and he understands why I said what I said. I think it's cool how you guys stuck up for him. It is what it and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Other than that Cam can explain it further if he feels it's necessary.
Good points.
Now, before I thow myslef under a bus I'm going somewhere with this, I don't have the time to type it all out now as I have to go to dinner. A few hit the nail on the head, others generalized, but we are getting somewhere.
Look for a fun new thread from me in the near future. Either after work tonight or tomarrow.