Sub Placement
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ahh but when faced with any issue I have relocated to benefit cause Im never stuck to one little spot in the room. I make room where its best served with maximal sound and quality. There is the very odd occasion where I had no choice due to available space and no way to alter the room.
Hey Jon. My 2 cents....and I think you'll agree....We ALWAYS want things to sound good to us first. Everyone else comes 2nd. If I EVER feel like I'm just setting up in a way "just to get by" then I know I'm not doing my own ears any good. The whole show from beginning to end has to feel good to me and the guests. So to the OP point, yes as long as the space allows I'm gonna follow the best setup possible according to acoustic space and aesthetics and go from there. For what I have, I'd rather sacrifice some low end combing/cancelling in order to make sure the mid/highs are cutting through because I use my subs as "stands" for my dual 15's.
BTW....wish I had some Dynas myself. I have JBL too...but only a pair of 2-way SRX. I can go both Dyna or JBL and feel much better either way. I don't place JBL higher/lower than Dynas but that's just me. Kudos to you and Houston on all that good stuff.
trust me in saying if it doesnt work one way I will find a way to do so. In 99% of the time I am able to make it work in most any surroundings and the 1% I will adjust and get the most from it. You ought to see the JBL setup we'e doing next month I will have pictures hopefully put together a time lapse vid If I can get Trini Daves expert advice.
looks like a posed picture...
perhaps they brought everything in tight for the sake of gertting it all in the shot
Mike,
Are you kidding me? This is how a great majority of DJs set up their systems. Why do you think the venue send the DJs to corners? This is the reason why!
and you know that for a fact? the majority of ALL DJ's do this all the time, regardless of the situation? or are you just judging by the few pictures you see. just because this issue irks the crap outta you, so you only notice the DJ's who do?
no, the venues I play at are too damn small, and the only place to put the DJ is in the corner. if the venue has no other choice, you can bet the DJ doesn't have a choice, either.
okay, let's settle it.
everyone else sets up like this. except you.
since YOU do it the right way, why should you care. it makes YOU look good.
stop beating a dead horse.
Hey Mike,
Don't get yer panties all up in a wad!
I was not attacking you. I am basing my answers from what I have seen plus pictures I have seen of DJ setups both on here and on other sites on the web. Again from what I have seen so far has led me to that conclusion.
To be honest Canute, if you run your system in MONO, the spacing only becomes an issue if you get combing problems (and given the makeup of most areas, it would behoove us to run in MONO most of the time). Not that I don't spread them if I can, but it does not really affect the music for most people.Hey Mike,
Don't get yer panties all up in a wad!
I only run mono when I absolutely have to, such as a large outdoor event or a multi-room setup. Too much musical ambiance is lost when running mono. I run live sound in stereo, why would I run recorded music (which has many more stereo effects) in mono?
Steve,
I will agree to disagree. Do most people care if it is in Mono? Probably not. Would some people notice if the music has nice separating and effects? Probably so! Can I tell the difference, absolutely. The only difference between a Sound System in a large Ballroom vs a Sound System in a home living room is the ratio size. If you have the correct size/amount of gear/power in a given system for the corresponding area, the Stereo effect would not be lost.
In my home, my speakers are about 20' apart, go figure. Granted that in certain areas of a room, the stereophonic effect would be more pronounced than in other areas of that same room. I get stereophonic effect in my living room but as I go up the stairs, my ears blend all that it is hearing to give me a monophonic feel. At that time and place, I won't loose the music, just the effect.
The large the sound system, the larger the "sweet spot".
Sometimes size does matter and makes a difference.
I run live in mono, as do most folks around here. Unless you have a very controlled audience (say in a theater where they're not moving), you run into far too many situations where a listener will be close to 1 speaker and far from the other or even to the outside of one speaker .. probably less than 30-40% of the audience falls into a stereo sweet spot. So .. running in mono actually increases most listeners program content.
The reality is you can't spread them far enough in most cases to cover everyone in the sweet spot in a high percentage of situations. I don't deny that a stereo field will sound better, I'm saying that if you map out where you have to put your speakers and where the listeners end up, running in mono will help alleviate a lot of problems .. not saying it's the best solution, it's just sometimes a better solution.Steve,
I will agree to disagree. Do most people care if it is in Mono? Probably not. Would some people notice if the music has nice separating and effects? Probably so! Can I tell the difference, absolutely. The only difference between a Sound System in a large Ballroom vs a Sound System in a home living room is the ratio size. If you have the correct size/amount of gear/power in a given system for the corresponding area, the Stereo effect would not be lost.
In my home, my speakers are about 20' apart, go figure. Granted that in certain areas of a room, the stereophonic effect would be more pronounced than in other areas of that same room. I get stereophonic effect in my living room but as I go up the stairs, my ears blend all that it is hearing to give me a monophonic feel. At that time and place, I won't loose the music, just the effect.
The large the sound system, the larger the "sweet spot".
Ya better plan on making more than a few extra of those driver boxes you're planning on making ...
In the majority of configurations where I setup, the dance floor and the main band viewing areas are hearing stereo with all effects. People elsewhere in the bar/club hear the overall band mix less the stereo effects. It is a big experience gain for the majority of people and doesn't hurt the general people who are more interested in talking, drinking or otherwise not watching the band. Other than stereo instrument feeds, I don't pan anything hard, just a slight shift of backing vocals. Running in stereo also provides one more tool to keep the mix as individual instruments rather than a pile of mush and it sounds much better than trying to use an EQ to keep instruments (typically guitars) from stepping on each other in the midrange when required..