Splitter Cables

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Hank Davidson said:
I am not combining two mono signals. You simply adjust the software back to stereo
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I was going to leave this alone until I saw your second photo/diagram and read what you outlined above, see the statement in red.

I am here to tell you that once you send out a Mono Signal from Rockit through the Behringer, there is no way you can return it to a Stereo, Period. Unless you are making a NEW recording and mixdown. So yes, you are combing the same two Mono Signals coming in.
Don't believe me? Get one of those CDs that come as a Lens Cleaner that has the Audio separation Test on it. Then Play it through Rockit and you will hear the same thing coming out of both speakers the way you have it configured.

Another way to tell is to make your own stereo recording using one mic at a time for one channel at a time. Say "One Left" on the left channel and then "Two Right" on the Right channel then do a playback and see if there is separation back to left and right as you recorded it. BTW I did get a second opinion on this before posting. Just want to set the record straight. A left and right out does not always mean stereo out.
 
I say EACH To his own way!!!
 
ahoustondj said:
I was going to leave this alone until I saw your second photo/diagram and read what you outlined above, see the statement in red.

I am here to tell you that once you send out a Mono Signal from Rockit through the Behringer, there is no way you can return it to a Stereo, Period. Unless you are making a NEW recording and mixdown. So yes, you are combing the same two Mono Signals coming in.
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You don't have to leave this alone...It's YOUR thread. LOL!

I respect your knowledge. You are simply misunderstanding me. You're right...You can't make a mono signal stereo and I am not attempting to. Let me say it again, nice and slow....

SPLITTER CABLES:

The "splitter" cable, which is the topic of this thread, allows one to access the left and right channels independently. There are two uses for this.

1. Using two mixer channels and outputs to send a true stereo signal to the left and right speakers.
(this is what the "Berry" does as well as most sound cards)

2. (as explained in the video from the link in post #1) With the help of your software, create two independent mono signals. You can either send the main broadcast out to two zones or use the software to make one a cue channel.

See the work modes for PCDJ below. They explain it very clearly.

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Rockit can only do the former. It can send out a normal stereo signal or two mono (left, right).

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WHAT HANK DOES: (three different options)

All three work and sound fine.

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I am glad you posted the settings page for Rockit. Yes you have the Mono feature checked and this is exactly my point. There is no way you will end up with Stereo after that, period. You can switch or connect all you want after that to get two channels but it would not be a stereo left and right.

The reason I started the thread is because The Splitter in Post #1 has three contacts, left, right and common. I have seen some DJs using a mini pin Y connector thinking it was a splitter so I wanted to share that.

With a true stereo splitter, the main purpose is to internally sum the music program to mono so that that a person wishing to use a headphone for cueing can assign a mono signal to their headphone and the music signal to the other side of that cable, both going out. You showed that you have the Stereo Swith depressed but that does not make the incoming Mono signal become stereo out.
 
ahoustondj said:
I am glad you posted the settings page for Rockit. Yes you have the Mono feature checked and this is exactly my point. There is no way you will end up with Stereo after that, period. You can switch or connect all you want after that to get two channels but it would not be a stereo left and right.
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Oh, for the love of God...where did I say I was trying to do that? Please tell me because this is getting exhausting. LOL!

I UNCHECK IT IN STEREO.
 
Hank Davidson said:
Oh, for the love of God...where did I say I was trying to do that? Please tell me because this is getting exhausting. LOL!

I UNCHECK IT IN STEREO.
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When you are using the RED Featured Configuration, thats where.
According to your own configuration (If you are then coming out of Rockit in Stereo Mode) you are running one side to active speakers and the other side to a parallel amp? That is crazy! If you are coming out from Rockit as Mono, with that switch depressed, then you are combining the same signals as I stated earlier.
 
ahoustondj said:
When you are using the RED Featured Configuration, thats where.
According to your own configuration (If you are then coming out of Rockit in Stereo Mode) you are running one side to active speakers and the other side to a parallel amp? That is crazy! If you are coming out from Rockit as Mono, with that switch depressed, then you are combining the same signals as I stated earlier.
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My dear man, In the red config, Rockit is in mono mode sending two separate mono signals to two zones. NOT the the left and right stereo channels. It clearly shows that. The blue config is the only one in which the source comes out of the laptop in stereo. It is in this case where the sound card acts as the splitter.
 
Hank Davidson said:
My dear man, In the red config, Rockit is in mono mode sending two separate mono signals to two zones. NOT the the left and right stereo channels. It clearly shows that.
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Let me see if I have this right. According to your Diagram with the Red connections ok?
Rockit - Set To Mono
Soundcard - Two outputs (Same Identical signal split in two), one Going to Line 1 and the other going to Line 2 of the Mackie Mixer
Mackie Mixer - Stereo switch depressed (You are then combining two identical signals)
Mackie Mixer - Main outputs (Left to Active Speakers and Right to Parallel Amps)
Is this correct?
Hank Davidson said:
The blue config is the only one in which the source comes out of the laptop in stereo.
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The Blue Configuration is the only one where the Stereo switch on the Mackie should be depressed.

Hank Davidson said:
It is in this case where the sound card acts as the splitter.
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A sound card is NOT a splitter. It processes a given signal that is assigned to one of its outputs and acts as a conduit for that signal!

If you really want to use two Zones all you have to do is buy 2 x 1/4 Male to two 1/4 female Y connectors. Connect those to your Main outputs and voila you now have two sets of outputs for two zones. They will both have the same gain output.
OR
Get a mixer with a "Send" output.
I use a Mackie too and manage to get Stereo out of the Main Outputs and Mono out of the Send Output(s). Mine is the 14 Channel
 
ahoustondj said:
Mackie Mixer - Stereo switch depressed (You are then combining two identical signals)
Is this correct?
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Ah, that's your confusion. Depressing the button activates "stereo pan". It sends channel one to left out and channel two to right out. It's not combining the signals.

ahoustondj said:
A sound card is NOT a splitter. It processes a given signal that is assigned to one of its outputs and acts as a conduit for that signal!
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It serves as the splitter based on the signal the software puts out. PCDJ's options make this possible.

ahoustondj said:
The Blue Configuration is the only one where the Stereo switch on the Mackie should be depressed.
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Yes, it should be depressed for BLUE, but also for RED. Think about it. It's doing the same job. Only instead of delivering left and right, it's delivering two separate mono signals.

ahoustondj said:
If you really want to use two Zones all you have to do is buy 2 x 1/4 Male to two 1/4 female Y connectors. Connect those to your Main outputs and voila you now have two sets of outputs for two zones. They will both have the same gain output.
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Each zone is supposed to have its own gain/EQ. Doing it the way I have illustrated gives me separate gain/EQ control over each pair of speakers. Using Y connecters just shares the channel. Unless I were running four of the same speakers, Why would I want to have one gain/EQ? Different speakers call for different adjustments.

This will also allow you the option to run a secondary set of speakers to another location.
(deck, around the corner, etc.)


ahoustondj said:
OR
Get a mixer with a "Send" output.
I use a Mackie too and manage to get Stereo out of the Main Outputs and Mono out of the Send Output(s). Mine is the 14 Channel
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More channels give you more options, but require more space. I picked this mixer because it does what I want while allowing me to have a more compact rig.
 
oh my Lord too many colors so much confusion. HD overload for the dinosaurs. I understood the diagram and hopefully two days later the Texan has it fingered out! LOL Canute you crusty Bas............... looking for controversy will shorten the effort your waterless cooking provides. Brain floats on liquid and possibly could use a drink.
 
Hank Davidson said:
Ah, that's your confusion. Depressing the button activates "stereo pan". It sends channel one to left out and channel two to right out. It's not combining the signals.



It serves as the splitter based on the signal the software puts out. PCDJ's options make this possible.



Yes, it should be depressed for BLUE, but also for RED. Think about it. It's doing the same job. Only instead of delivering left and right, it's delivering two separate mono signals.



Each zone is supposed to have its own gain/EQ. Doing it the way I have illustrated gives me separate gain/EQ control over each pair of speakers. Using Y connecters just shares the channel. Unless I were running four of the same speakers, Why would I want to have one gain/EQ? Different speakers call for different adjustments.

This will also allow you the option to run a secondary set of speakers to another location.
(deck, around the corner, etc.)

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Allow me to enlighten you. The EQ on each channel in the Mackie is in the (Before) PRE MIX STAGE. The Main outputs is a fully processed signal. If there were to be Zone controls, they will be (After)POST MIX. As I stated before to get a secondary set of outputs you either need a "SEND" or use the "Tape Out" or use "Y Connectors."
 
ahoustondj said:
Allow me to enlighten you. The EQ on each channel in the Mackie is in the (Before) PRE MIX STAGE. The Main outputs is a fully processed signal. If there were to be Zone controls, they will be (After)POST MIX. As I stated before to get a secondary set of outputs you either need a "SEND" or use the "Tape Out" or use "Y Connectors."
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Then I have a magic mixer because it works.
 
Hank Davidson said:
Then I have a magic mixer because it works.
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Why do you bother Hank...?

You can't win a battle with a Texas person, who thinks the entire planet has to drive 165 miles to get fries at a Mickey D's... :sqerr:


I've just learned to humor him, and send in nominations for Academy Awards, for best technically incorrect screenplay on his behalf... yorofl:
 
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