Weddings So yeah, still haven't got paid...good times!

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You still don't get it.


I'm not too sure about that Mix.

I've seen lots of sh_t stolen from stores. They have maybe 1 or 2 security to deal with 500 people in the store. Heck when I go to Haleem's Mini Mart and IED Lab, the kids and crack heads come in, and start stealing candy and stuff, while he's running the grill. So our coffee clutch, covers for him -- and we get better prices.

I've been in the security line for ages -- it's my second line of work. I have a fair idea of what's happening out there -- it's one of the few things I do well at.
 
I'm not too sure about that Mix.

I've seen lots of sh_t stolen from stores. They have maybe 1 or 2 security to deal with 500 people in the store. Heck when I go to Haleem's Mini Mart and IED Lab, the kids and crack heads come in, and start stealing candy and stuff, while he's running the grill. So our coffee clutch, covers for him -- and we get better prices.

I've been in the security line for ages -- it's my second line of work. I have a fair idea of what's happening out there -- it's one of the few things I do well at.
Forget it. Never mind. Keep letting clients stiff you since you're OK with it.
 
You still don't get it. Those stores you mentioned don't just figure people are going to steal and chalk that up to the cost of doing business. Or why would they pay for security and security cameras? What you suggest is crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plan for a client not to pay you sometime this year. Stay away from the Kool-Aid. You're making it too strong.

Getting "stiffed" by someone in this line of business usually means it is a difficult collection action such as one of the following:

1. The balance due is not worth the time/effort necessary to collect it:
a. The debtor may have disappeared
b. The debt is less than the court cost/time put in
c. I have already collected enough in advance to justify not chasing the remainder

2. The debtor may have filed bankruptcy and unless paid voluntarily the debt has been legally discharged

3. Fraud (mostly online) the perpetrator is unknown, can't be located, and investigation is too costly.

4. Chargebacks
a. Credit card disputes may resolve by technocratic compliance; meaning you lose a valid charge if your submission is missing a given detail.

5. Disputes - even if the customer is wrong or unreasonable the best response may be to a forgive part of what is due and move on.

6. Customer types - knowing how to handle an abusive versus a uninformed customer can be more important than what they might owe.
DJs are usually the worst customers:
a. DJs often return purchases after using an item (Even w/ a restocking fee used goods are worth significantly less at retail.)
b. DJs often make false claims about rented gear to evade payment
C. DJs are the customer type most likely to cause damage due to mis-use or lack of knowledge
d. DJs swap out their own defective gear/parts when returning rentals

There are times when you are right and should say so, and then there are times when you should just keep quiet and create a better customer experience.

Rentals to DJs for example, are a prime area where certain losses are a cost of doing business. All of my rental gear has fail-safes built-in which protect the gear from damage but, are not disclosed to the customer. If someone comes back post event to tell me a particular piece of gear was "no good" - I am able to verify if in fact the gear was mis-used or developed a true defect. (Rarely is there any ambiguity.) Where the fail-safe prevents any real damage it is often better to play along and deal with the mistakes of inexperienced DJs sparingly - creating future business with those who can grow into better customers; or to discontinue business with those arrogant or unreliable.

That does not mean being a push -over - it means understanding that you are in business to generate FUTURE income and need to know how to balance the value of a current receivable against a better customer experience. Your income can be effectively more than simply the money you are currently owed.

I have often forgiven a few hundred dollars balance in situations where the client has gone on to spend many thousands more in future business. Being profitable is more important than being right.
 
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For the record I expect full payment for private one time events such as weddings, birthdays etc... 30 days prior to their event. When it's a corporate party for a company then final payment is due upon delivery or Net due in 10. Why the difference? With a wedding or other such event they are less likely to have a central billing office or any sort of accountability. whereas a company that does business will and unlike a private individual they are less likely to move, change email address, phone number and other methods of payment evasion.
 
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For the record I expect full payment for private one time events such as weddings, birthdays etc... 30 days prior to their event. When it's a corporate party for a company then final payment is due upon delivery or Net due in 10. Why the difference? With a wedding or other such event they are less likely to have a central billing office or any sort of accountability. whereas a company that does business will and unlike a private individual they are less likely to move, change email address, phone number and other methods of payment evasion.

Your choice of words is suspect: Why would your customer "evade" payment?
It implies you anticipate them not being fully satisfied or enthusiastic about paying you post event?

I can not think of one wedding customer (among thousands) that ever tried to evade payment - including those who had some negative feedback!
It just appears to me that those with paranoid payment terms (where full prepayment is required - not simply an option) lack the customer relation skills to simultaneously facilitate and manage receivables and client satisfaction. In short - it's like you know you have a median batting average and are hedging your bets.

Primarily I'm talking about single-ops. (Multi-ops have different concerns about payroll and confidentiality.) Seriously, how many of you playing hard ball really just have doubts about the outcomes of your effort?
 
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The issue of full payment up front, is you haven't done anything yet.

I go the auto mechanic, have new brake lines put in, and new rotors. They buy all the parts, do the job, and then I pay them. Same with my plumber, same with my boat mechanics, same with the contractors that work on the house.

What is so special about DJs requiring full payment a few weeks to a month in advance? It's not like you would probably be working that day anyway...
 
What is so special about DJs requiring full payment a few weeks to a month in advance? It's not like you would probably be working that day anyway...

Maybe you won't, but I'm guessing others will disagree.

Personally, I don't collect up front, but have no issues with those that do as part of their business plan.
 
Your choice of words is suspect: Why would your customer "evade" payment?

Two answers come to mind;

1) They are thieves and steal wherever they can get away with it
2) They have over-spent on a wedding they couldn't afford.

It is not always so suspect as the DJ, believing in his heart of hearts that he has not fulfilled his obligations fully. In the case of #2, I'll work with with them, just communicate. In the case of #1, I'll go to the mat, each and every time.
 
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Two answers come to mind;

1) They are thieves and steal wherever they can get away with it
2) They have over-spent on a wedding they couldn't afford.

It is not always so suspect as the DJ, believing in his heart of hearts that he has not fulfilled his obligations fully. In the case of #2, I'll work with with them, just communicate. In the case of #1, I'll go to the mat, each and every time.

Maybe I will go on Wedding Wire and start posting that Brides to be should not have to pay the whole payment up front. Mind if I quote you on what you just presented #1 & #2? ;)
 
Let's keep it simple! You show up to do a job. If they haven't paid you in full by the time you get there then simply ask for the remaining balance to be in cash. If they don't want to agree to that then you pack up and go home. One thing that has never bounced in all my years of doing this is cash.

Some obviously will disagree with what I said. I say that if you have a written agreement then the client should hold up their end of the agreement. The best way to not get stiffed is before you play anything that you've already gotten all the money due to you.

Now to be fair sometimes when it comes to weddings especially a client may be so busy that they will just forget who gets paid when. They normally have more then one vendor to deal with. So they can be all over the place. Normally a friendly reminder to that client and the payment is taken care of in a timely manner.
 
I have been paid in different ways. Zero down, Half down, 50/50, paid in full. The times where I stand my ground and demand payment in full beforehand is when I am doing rentals or SR for other DJs, Promoters or the like. Many times these guys feel like if their Event flops that you should take a loss along with them. No way, it does not and will not happen with me.
 
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Whatever you have in the contract .. you should stick with for that client or any other provision may be moot.
 
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Maybe you won't, but I'm guessing others will disagree.

Personally, I don't collect up front, but have no issues with those that do as part of their business plan.

i agree. Thankfully we've never been stiffed. We ask that the balance be paid 2 weeks in advance. We simply like having things taken care of before the event. It's not a trust thing. Everyone once in awhile, people ask if they can pay the night of, and we have no problem. I have had one check bounce and they paid it.

but each needs to do what works for them. I think it's bad advice to tell someone how they should run their collections when they don't know their clientele, their abilities, their region, and their collection ability
 
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Two answers come to mind;

1) They are thieves and steal wherever they can get away with it
2) They have over-spent on a wedding they couldn't afford.

It is not always so suspect as the DJ, believing in his heart of hearts that he has not fulfilled his obligations fully. In the case of #2, I'll work with with them, just communicate. In the case of #1, I'll go to the mat, each and every time.

I get it - as I suggested, you have an intrinsically negative view of customers.
Are you just paranoid (fear of something that really isn't an issue for you) or do you commonly experience payment issues (attract unqualified or disingenuous prospects)?

One of the great mistakes in business is to think that the sales dept. is separate from the collections dept. They are not. Collection is really the process of identifying and attracting qualified clients in the first place.

What the customers see in such terms is the vendor's presumption of a negative experience.
 
Two weeks in advance, and have never had a problem. When discussing our services with a potential client this would have already been discussed and agreed upon with our clients. I guess that's why they have no problems with it. We send out a reminder notice the week before because we know its a busy time for them. Personally I have no desire to chase my money on the day of an event. I already know I will be very very busy the day of so extra work or worry is not needed. Again this is just us and I could careless what others do for "their" business if it works for them.
 
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I get it - as I suggested, you have an intrinsically negative view of customers.
Are you just paranoid (fear of something that really isn't an issue for you) or do you commonly experience payment issues (attract unqualified or disingenuous prospects)?

One of the great mistakes in business is to think that the sales dept. is separate from the collections dept. They are not. Collection is really the process of identifying and attracting qualified clients in the first place.

What the customers see in such terms is the vendor's presumption of a negative experience.
How do you qualify a client? What tells you if you want to work for a certain client or not? How do you know if a certain client will give you trouble or not about you getting paid?
 
How do you qualify a client? What tells you if you want to work for a certain client or not? How do you know if a certain client will give you trouble or not about you getting paid?
You qualify a client by asking questions and being thorough. A Client can pick up on whether or not you are really a Pro by the questions you ask. They know you have those things on your mind and therefore have got things figured out. There are some who are so happy to get any Gig that they don't do a lot of the preliminaries like asking questions and arranging for site visits. They are so afraid to "rock the boat" and thus lose the Gig.
 
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