So I got a quick sample of the Bose L1 today

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Fred Stewart said:
Scott, Papa and others,

Since the L1/B1 system works for your businesses, that's what matters. No one's trying to tell you different. And I think we all know that there is no honest comparison between a line array system (L1) and a conventional PA system. The L1/B1 system has a distinct advantage of doing the processing for the operator. :)

From what I can gather, the rest of us aren't Bose haters. Our business equipment works for our requirements. No matter which side of the debate one is on, one will find a majority in the mobile DJ biz who believe that the L1/B1 system is overpriced for what it is and what it can do.

That's not to say that the L1/B1 system won't hold its own for upscale, indoor shows. It does. Many owners of the system have proven this. I'm just sayin' that a conventional PA that's built and set up correctly can do what the L1/B1 does and more for less cost.

If a DJ company has to load an 18" sub box and amp to accompany the L1 system at a larger show, the weight saving becomes moot and the cost becomes apparent. If you're booked to run sound at a large, outdoor show and have to leave the L1/B1 system at home in favor of a headroom-heavy FOH rig, the L1/B1 is idle and isn't paying for itself.

This is just Wolfie talkin' here. If I spend 5 grand plus for a business sound system, it had better be able to shake the dust out of the rafters and push the curtains out of the windows... and offer a sweet tone at lower volume at the same time. We have been doing just that with our conventional system for years. It goes out every time we're booked to do a show, large and small. We didn't pay 5 Gs for it. :)
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Fred,
that logic makes sense to me. If you are routinely doing events that a system is not going to benefit you, then it don't make much sense to buy it.

I've done about a dozen outdoor events with the bose. they worked excellent for what I was doing. One had over 500 people there. we used three systems and ran 2 wirelessly.

Anyway, to me, there is a big difference between some simply saying, "hey, these are not for me" and explaining why and someone jumping in every thread with the word bose in it and use words like scam, toys.....that is what i would refer to as a bose hater.....someone who has an agenda rather than offering their opinion.

I do not believe you fall into that catagory.
 
Scott,


I do not believe I have ever jumped into a Bose thread saying they were a scam and toys without a detailed explaination as to what my opinion was based upon.

I have owned and tested the Bose against a conventional speaker system and found it lacking both in power output and frequency response!

I have compared weight v power v coverage!

I have compared price V power/coverage!

I have compared simplicity V price/coverage!

I am truly sorry that you mistake my opinion and testing facts as a diss to the Bose system, it is just opinion and fact nothing more.

The truth is that myself and many others have stated more than once that coverage v price can be accomplished at a much higher level with a conventional system than can be done with the Bose.

I am certainly happy for all the Bose owners who truly believe that they have the magic stick, I personally didn't feel that way about my purchase of it and was truly grateful for the Bose return policy!

Now while I won't jump into anymore Bose threads where the thread starter is discussing how great Bose is, however this thread was started by someone who heard and was not impressed by the Bose stick, so to be fair let's just say that when someone has a low opinion of Bose than those who think they own the magic stick should also refrain from posting on these threads. Such as this thread where the idea of the starter was that Bose didn't come up to the hype that he had heard!

Does that make it fair for you?
 
I would like to second the appreciation for said return policy.

To the Boseidians,

Congrats on finding gear that satisfies and/or meets your requirements.


Thunder,

One day, it is not known when, us interlopers may understand the weird devotion to the subject gear. Until then, Laissez les bon temps rouler!
 
Thanks, guys. :)

Agreed, mic feedback isn't an issue with the L1/B1 system. That's due to integral processing, compression and limiting included.

We negated mic feedback with the use of a C/L in the processing chain. A little EQ tweaking don't hurt, neither. We got a sweet deal on a DBX C/L years ago when Upstairs Records was getting ready to fold. Our original order had been for a cheaper unit they didn't have stocked. So they gave us the DBX instead, for the price of the cheapo. :)

It used to scare the bejeezus out of me when speakers walked in front of the stacks with the wireless mic. But they came through loud and clear with nary a ring. It's all in how the system processing is dialed in and close attention to gain settings.

Guess I'm just old school. I'd prefer to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. :)
 
Thunder said:
Scott,


I do not believe I have ever jumped into a Bose thread saying they were a scam and toys without a detailed explaination as to what my opinion was based upon.

I have owned and tested the Bose against a conventional speaker system and found it lacking both in power output and frequency response!

I have compared weight v power v coverage!

I have compared price V power/coverage!

I have compared simplicity V price/coverage!

I am truly sorry that you mistake my opinion and testing facts as a diss to the Bose system, it is just opinion and fact nothing more.

The truth is that myself and many others have stated more than once that coverage v price can be accomplished at a much higher level with a conventional system than can be done with the Bose.

I am certainly happy for all the Bose owners who truly believe that they have the magic stick, I personally didn't feel that way about my purchase of it and was truly grateful for the Bose return policy!

Now while I won't jump into anymore Bose threads where the thread starter is discussing how great Bose is, however this thread was started by someone who heard and was not impressed by the Bose stick, so to be fair let's just say that when someone has a low opinion of Bose than those who think they own the magic stick should also refrain from posting on these threads. Such as this thread where the idea of the starter was that Bose didn't come up to the hype that he had heard!

Does that make it fair for you?
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It has never been the fact that you don't like the bose system that bothers me. We get it...boy, do we get it. You are entitled to your opinion.
The fact is some others are capable of offering their opinion without insulting people that feel differently.
I think it's insulting when you refer to it as a scam or toys or even magic sticks as if we were incapable of being smart enough to know that they are not perfect for every situation.

Just as i think it would be insulting if I said DJ's that still use cd's are scamming their clients because you can store many more songs on a computer, giving customers more choices. A modern dj should be using a computer. Cd players are just toys. Outdated toys at that.

Now I don't believe that. While I like computers over cd players, I do believe every dj should choose the equipment they like and I don't try to make people feel foolish for the decisions they've made.

I am not asking you to stop offering your opinion. It's always good to get different opinions. It just doesn't always need to get dragged into the mud.
 
Scott,

I got the term "Magic stick" from another thread where the poster was a Proud Bose owner and user and the term "Magic Stick" was his not mine. So it certainly doesn't belong to me and was used to express the opinion of a Bose owner/user.

As for "Toy" yes that was all mine, scam wasn't mine so I can't take credit for that one. And truth be told I also "fell for it" in the beginning, but felt just as with any other purchase that testing was due course. Again I have stated over and over again that the Bose Sticks were excellent for what they were origonally designed for!

Have you ever read my opinions on Peavey, JBL and Mackie powered speakers? If you have you would notice that I don't give any of them any slack either! I still own a pair of the Impulse powered speakers and to be honest with you I would never take them out for a paying gig of any type, but I do use them in the studio as FOH monitors when listen to playback of recordings.

Gemini speakers and boards got my honest opinion as well as Rane and American Audio, I don't offer opinions on things I have not used and or tested. I recently offered my opinion on the EV ZX1s which I purchased and was disappointed in,

I am going to replace the Peavey Powered Impulse units in the studio with the ZX1s because the smaller size and lesser output make them more compatible with the small space of my studio.
 
this has all been hased out before... drop it, close the thread, nothing new here
 
Chuck,

Actually what is being discussed right now has not been "hased out before", the discussion now is in terms of this being a personal issue which for me it is not but from what has been written, Scott believes it to be so. However I never said or intended any of my post on the subject to be taken as a personal diss on anyone's choice to purchase or use the Bose system or on their mental capabilites of the sell!

So I would certainly like to see it left open long enough to give Scott a chance to at least have the last word on the subject of why he believes my choice of words is to offend the users of Bose! If I haven't changed his opinion on my position being the disposition of the L1 and not the owners intelligence in the purchase thereof, I would at least like him to have the chance to state it.

Then if you want the thread closed I certainly don't have a problem with it!
 
And I was just going to ask where Chuck is with the bikini pics.
 
Thunder said:
Chuck,

Actually what is being discussed right now has not been "hased out before", the discussion now is in terms of this being a personal issue which for me it is not but from what has been written, Scott believes it to be so. However I never said or intended any of my post on the subject to be taken as a personal diss on anyone's choice to purchase or use the Bose system or on their mental capabilites of the sell!

So I would certainly like to see it left open long enough to give Scott a chance to at least have the last word on the subject of why he believes my choice of words is to offend the users of Bose! If I haven't changed his opinion on my position being the disposition of the L1 and not the owners intelligence in the purchase thereof, I would at least like him to have the chance to state it.

Then if you want the thread closed I certainly don't have a problem with it!
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Steve,
FYI, i thought those last 2 posts were very well thought posts that showed how you felt. I truly appreciate you taking the time to do that. As I said, if we all agreed on stuff, I wouldn't be able to learn anything....that is...assuming I don't know everything already:sqwink:

Seriously, thanks for letting me know how you felt. I don't really have anything else to add. I do apoligize if anything i said was offensive, that was never my intention as well.
 
Wow a Bose thread that ends nice.....I love this place :sqbiggrin:
 
Jeff Romard said:
Wow a Bose thread that ends nice.....I love this place :sqbiggrin:
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Indeed. And it speaks volumes for the caliber of our members and staff. :)

Remember the Bose threads on other forum sites? Boy, talk about a war zone. Things got so bad that no one was even posting about the L1 anymore. They were too busy slinging personal attacks to remain on topic. :eek:

And as Cap would say, most of the troublemakers had never even laid eyes on an L1/B1 system, let alone worked with one. How the heck can a post be taken seriously on a business equipment forum if the poster has never personally worked with what's being discussed? :dontknow:

For my part I appreciate these threads because we have members who actually work with the equipment they're posting about. Members have worked with all sorts of different equipment and post their experiences from out there in the trenches.

This I like. :)
 
I recall seeing someone using 4 L1s & 8 B1s for their events.

Not sure why you would need 2 L1s & 4 B1s PER side??? I can see using 1 L1 & a Power pack for the additional B1s per side. But 2 L1s???

What would you gain by doing this???? What would this sound like?

Even I'm still amazed at what some people are doing / how they are running the Bose system.....

Anyone?

Cheers,

Joe
 
Thunder said:
Scott,

I got the term "Magic stick" from another thread where the poster was a Proud Bose owner and user and the term "Magic Stick" was his not mine. So it certainly doesn't belong to me and was used to express the opinion of a Bose owner/user.

As for "Toy" yes that was all mine, scam wasn't mine so I can't take credit for that one. And truth be told I also "fell for it" in the beginning, but felt just as with any other purchase that testing was due course. Again I have stated over and over again that the Bose Sticks were excellent for what they were origonally designed for!

Have you ever read my opinions on Peavey, JBL and Mackie powered speakers? If you have you would notice that I don't give any of them any slack either! I still own a pair of the Impulse powered speakers and to be honest with you I would never take them out for a paying gig of any type, but I do use them in the studio as FOH monitors when listen to playback of recordings.

Gemini speakers and boards got my honest opinion as well as Rane and American Audio, I don't offer opinions on things I have not used and or tested. I recently offered my opinion on the EV ZX1s which I purchased and was disappointed in,

I am going to replace the Peavey Powered Impulse units in the studio with the ZX1s because the smaller size and lesser output make them more compatible with the small space of my studio.
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yeah, Thunder, well that might all be true but you have never heard MY new MEGA PAS SYSTEM:
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It can make the Heavens open wide and the rivers run with liquid gold and utopia seem like a flawed proposition.
 

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