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In this day and age, it still amazes me that people are still shocked when they see my PC, with Numark Cue.

They can't believe how "neat" "slick" "cool" it is.

And it sounds so clear & crisp, and you don't have CD'S???
 
I'd been getting that reaction for quite a while, until I bought the Bose system. Now they're too busy oogling over that system to notice the computer, Rane MP4 or the DMC2.
 
The PC debate can go on and on. Right now it's the iPod (not PC) DJ that's giving me fits.

I have BEEN TO an iPod wedding. By iPod I mean just and iPod and 2 powered speakers, with cable adapters- period. No mixer, nothing. He worked at a PODIUM. His fee was only 750 ( the groom told me ) and he was worth every bit of 50 dollars- hell, make it 75 ( he did carry the two speakers). He started songs-period.

No effects, beat mixing, crossfades, - nothing. He couldn't even change volume unless he walked from speaker to speaker. Announcements were made through a mic mounted on the podium and connected to the house ceiling speakers.


....and before it comes up: NO, the clients were NOT happy, they were livid. Apparently he misrepresented himself.

Can you do an event with an iPod? Sure. Is it a professional presentation? I leave it up to you.
 
JoeChartreuse said:
The PC debate can go on and on. Right now it's the iPod (not PC) DJ that's giving me fits.

I have BEEN TO an iPod wedding. By iPod I mean just and iPod and 2 powered speakers, with cable adapters- period. No mixer, nothing. He worked at a PODIUM. His fee was only 750 ( the groom told me ) and he was worth every bit of 50 dollars- hell, make it 75 ( he did carry the two speakers). He started songs-period.

No effects, beat mixing, crossfades, - nothing. He couldn't even change volume unless he walked from speaker to speaker. Announcements were made through a mic mounted on the podium and connected to the house ceiling speakers.


....and before it comes up: NO, the clients were NOT happy, they were livid. Apparently he misrepresented himself.

Can you do an event with an iPod? Sure. Is it a professional presentation? I leave it up to you.
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You can't call that an "ipod" wedding. What he did would have been no different if he had a dual deck CD player and just the speakers. The ipod is not to blame here. His system was incomplete.

An ipod is not my choice for a media player, but neither is a CD player. However, a professional job can be produced with either if the DJ knows what to do.
 
Request Line Productions said:
You can't call that an "ipod" wedding. What he did would have been no different if he had a dual deck CD player and just the speakers. The ipod is not to blame here. His system was incomplete.

An ipod is not my choice for a media player, but neither is a CD player. However, a professional job can be produced with either if the DJ knows what to do.
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Right. But the system was incomplete due to a lack of knowledge on the part of the "DJ". But let's say he added a mixer of some sort. The presentation would still be minimal, even if the show were improved. At the risk of repetition, the iPod lowers the perceived value of the DJ, making it seem like he's being overpayed. Part of a good show, whether technically important or not, is the equipment, and how it's displayed.
 
At the AC show this year we bought a Cortex Dmix 300. It uses a iPod and memory sticks as well as other sources.

We bought it to use a iPod and memory stcks for ceremonys and cocktail hours. It works great for this purpose.

We are finding that more and more of our clients want special songs for their ceremony AND cocktail hour. No longer can we just put on a Bobby Morgenstein CD and let it play for the CH. The iPod works great for this. We dump the songs on our iPod and a memory stick (so we have backup), set up a playlist and we are ready to go.

I bought a iPod Classic (80 gig), so I am also going to backup a portion of our library on it to use as a third line security back-up.

To me, it's just another tool.
 
JoeChartreuse said:
At the risk of repetition, the iPod lowers the perceived value of the DJ, making it seem like he's being overpayed. Part of a good show, whether technically important or not, is the equipment, and how it's displayed.
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If you're saying that even a well put together ipod rig is going to be cast in a bad light, I'll disagree. People love ipods. Most of them have one. The same way most of them have a CD player, PC or laptop. If we were/are being judged only by our source devices, it's by someone that doesn't know any better.

"Look, the DJ's just using CDs! I have CDs, so I can do that too!"

At the end of the day, it's "execution" that counts. Do a good job and they'll forget what your set up was comprised of.
 
just and iPod and 2 powered speakers, with cable adapters- period. No mixer, nothing. He worked at a PODIUM. His fee was only 750 ( the groom told me ) and he was worth every bit of 50 dollars- hell, make it 75 ( he did carry the two speakers). He started songs-period.

No effects, beat mixing, crossfades, - nothing. He couldn't even change volume unless he walked from speaker to speaker. Announcements were made through a mic mounted on the podium and connected to the house ceiling speakers.


....and before it comes up: NO, the clients were NOT happy, they were livid. Apparently he misrepresented himself.
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I'd have to agree with Request Line's thinking. This isn't really a problem with the iPod.

I'd even say this isn't a problem with the idiot DJ - it's a problem with a fool for a groom who hired the guy without checking any references or past work!

I mean really - all they had to do was ask for the name and phone number of of a couple of past customers !!!!

If the DJ sucked - it's really their own fault for hiring him.
 
I also want to make the point that perhaps the DJ knows the difference but feels what he does is worth 750 and if he were to offer more he woulod charge more. Its not proven that he didnt know exactly what he brought with him.
 
Proformance said:
I'd even say this isn't a problem with the idiot DJ - it's a problem with a fool for a groom who hired the guy without checking any references or past work!
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What do references really mean. Any loser has a couple of friends
 
Give em my name Dan I'll be glad to give you a reference

Hows this

You will be lucky if you can get this man to work for you
 
What do references really mean. Any loser has a couple of friends.
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..and anyone with enough intelligence to ask the appropriate questions will know when they are being spoon fed a load of meaningless BS from a worthless source.
 
Flyingdjdan said:
I have 3... does that mean I am a professional loser?:sqwink:
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Nah... it just means you're particular about who you call friends. :D

Actually, this is the hallmark of a winner.

As far as the topic goes, who's to say what any of us is really worth but the people who pay us?
 
Proformance said:
..and anyone with enough intelligence to ask the appropriate questions will know when they are being spoon fed a load of meaningless BS from a worthless source.
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Sure...Great... Now I don't know where your market is but generally speaking the first question I am asked here is what do you charge and depending on what I say next the conversation continues

Most people dont know what to ask. A high percentage have never hired a DJ before

Once again my clients are less professional than others
 
Actually, I think that they ask pricng first, because it is all they know that seperates most dj's.

Lets be real for a moment. From our childhood up, most of us are brainwashed into a "what's the cost" mentality.

You can't have that candy or toy, it costs too much.
Don't waste (cost) things.
and the always popular
Do you have any idea how hard I worked for that. (cost being work)

Very few are taught the true value. Everything has a cost. But not value.

Value and quality aren't learned until later, if ever...



What are things you shop price for vs.
 
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