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ittigger said:
Canute, if you read his message - in 20 years, he's NEVER been asked for it. That negates the logic of 'Why do you think some venues ask for Certificates of Insurance? It is to separate those who have been serious enough about their business to learn and continue to learn their craft and do it in a safe and correct way.' I'm right behind him in that in 24 years, I've been asked for it once and it was at a historical mansion. Had nothing to do with being experienced or not.
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I have been doing this for over 30 years and have only been asked for it once. I would also never add a venues name to my Insurance unless they are paying for it. It is for My Protection not theirs. They are not adding me to theirs are they? So why should I add them to mine?
 
ittigger said:
Canute, if you read his message - in 20 years, he's NEVER been asked for it. That negates the logic of 'Why do you think some venues ask for Certificates of Insurance? It is to separate those who have been serious enough about their business to learn and continue to learn their craft and do it in a safe and correct way.'
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Actually, I think that only comes down to who can afford it...

A certificate of insurance, is simply that -- it's a bond. If you've got the cash, you can buy the bond -- it does not mean you will operate in a safe manner.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Actually, I think that only comes down to who can afford it...

A certificate of insurance, is simply that -- it's a bond. If you've got the cash, you can buy the bond -- it does not mean you will operate in a safe manner.
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That is why the venues want to separate themselves from those who won't operate safely, so they don't become liable.
 
No - this is in all cases (for the places that do ask). They have no idea who can or cannot operate safely. All they care is if you have insurance. Kind of like insurance on a car. They don't care who you are (beginner or professional), they just want to see if you're covered. Insurance means very little to them. If there's a problem, you can pay for it. At some places, I almost wonder if they want you to have insurance so that they can claim something.
 
ahoustondj said:
This is not the Club's fault. The Club rents the space just as a venue does. The Club makes its money from the $$$$$ spent at the bar less a small percentage to the promoter. The promoter is responsible for attendance, performers, security and makes his money from the Door Cover Charge and the small percentage of the bar sales.
Some of the promoters themselves are clueless. They too have wannabees in their category of entertainment. I pity any of the live entertainers who came on for "Open Mike" last night. Even there, wannabees exist, so even them don't know better.
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Ahhhh OK. I thought it was a club with a permanent install.
 
I am new to this site, so hello to all ..

DJs are performers, and as I do live sound as well, I can tell you I wouldn't want any performer to touch my equipment. Any reasonable club (and I will differentiate this from mobile DJs) should have a system in place where a performer can plug in and expect that given a signal from his equipment, that all the downstream components are already in place and tuned to the club's environment. SO speakers, amps, room eq, delays, etc. are all set for that performance venue.

If the venue provides a mixer as well, then inputs should be labeled properly and jacks provided in a convenient and well labeled area. IF not, then the venue should have it clear in their contracts that it is either the promoter or the performers responsibility for all of that. It certainly doesn't make sense to have part of that stream in place (a couple of hanging speakers, some electronics hanging around) .. you are begging for a problem with compatibility and will end up with the issues posed by the OP. This is the common sense needed, not certifying DJs for activities they shouldn't really be handling.
 
I admit it. I bought active cause I don't know a thing about amps, etc. even though I used to work for a multi op that used all passive systems. I basically knew to hook this part to that part,as I was taught, and if something happened to one side of the amp, do this and that. Of course I never had a spare anything, so if an amp went bad, I couldn't do a thing but apologize.
 
steve149 said:
I am new to this site, so hello to all ..

DJs are performers, and as I do live sound as well, I can tell you I wouldn't want any performer to touch my equipment. Any reasonable club (and I will differentiate this from mobile DJs) should have a system in place where a performer can plug in and expect that given a signal from his equipment, that all the downstream components are already in place and tuned to the club's environment. SO speakers, amps, room eq, delays, etc. are all set for that performance venue.

If the venue provides a mixer as well, then inputs should be labeled properly and jacks provided in a convenient and well labeled area. IF not, then the venue should have it clear in their contracts that it is either the promoter or the performers responsibility for all of that. It certainly doesn't make sense to have part of that stream in place (a couple of hanging speakers, some electronics hanging around) .. you are begging for a problem with compatibility and will end up with the issues posed by the OP. This is the common sense needed, not certifying DJs for activities they shouldn't really be handling.
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What you are stating is not the issue here.
 
ahoustondj said:
What you are stating is not the issue here.
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Your opening post and the following one seemed to hammer someone who didn't know which end was up in the audio chain and you posted that there should be some sort of certification process to make sure they did. Your premise was that powered speakers was an out for people who didn't have the knowledge or talent to handle equipment. My point is that they shouldn't need to in most cases.

I don't believe a DJ needs to know that (not that they shouldn't or can't) and that there is some culpability by the venue and if not, at least the promoter. I don't know of any club around here that hosts DJs that doesn't have a system that is already in place and tuned to their environment. It makes sense for the venue as the clients get a consistent level of sound for any performance.

Just my opinion.
 
steve149 said:
Your opening post and the following one seemed to hammer someone who didn't know which end was up in the audio chain The DJ for not knowing how to hook up a system and the so called producer for not investigating who he was hiring. and you posted that there should be some sort of certification process to make sure they did. Your premise was that powered speakers was an out for people who didn't have the knowledge or talent to handle equipment. You misinterpreted what I said. Go back and digest it. My point is that they shouldn't need to in most cases.

I don't believe a DJ needs to know that (not that they shouldn't or can't) and that there is some culpability by the venue and if not, This is not Ct. this is Houston. There is also such a thing called a Mobile DJ who has his own equipment much different from a Guest or featured DJ who comes in to plug in to an existing system whether installed or rented for his use. at least the promoter. I don't know of any club around here that hosts DJs that doesn't have a system that is already in place and tuned to their environment. I would bet my Grandma's dirty drawers that not all the Clubs there have stellar sound systems. It makes sense for the venue as the clients get a consistent level of sound for any performance. So that every DJ sounds like the other! Would you like to go to a Concert at a popular Stadium and hear The Black Eyed Peas sounding like Lady Gaga?

Just my opinion.
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Answers above in Red. I think you need to take a nap...... a looonnngg one, that feeling just might go away. Just my opinion.:trirolleyes:
 
ahoustondj said:
Answers above in Red. I think you need to take a nap...... a looonnngg one, that feeling just might go away. Just my opinion.:trirolleyes:
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Look .. all I am saying is that you have the opinion that DJs need to know tech and my opinion is that DJs need to know their music and their creative process. I don't have a problem with a DJ knowing the ins and outs of a system .. I'm a sound guy and know mine intimately (heck, I made half of my cables). BUT .. I don't believe they have to .. mobile jocks do (and I said they are different in my 1st post if you read it) because that's part of the routine when you own the equipment. Club DJs don't need to .. that should be the responsibility of the promoter or the club ... the club primarily BECAUSE IT'S THEIR REP AND THEIR CLIENTELE.

Not sure why you're dissing Connecticut .. and I won't hack on Houston. And if Grandma has dirty drawers for you to bet, I'm folding for the nite .. feel a nap coming on anyway.
 
I'm puttin' my money on Indiana.

:)

I don't think it has to be said, but let's have an intelligent discussion. Personal attacks will not be tolerated (at the Admin's discretion) and personal conversations should be taken to the back 40 (PM's).
 
steve149 said:
(heck, I made half of my cables)
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Hmm which half end did you make and why not the whole thing? Was it the female end you did or the male end?yorofl:yorofl:yorofl:
 
sightsandsounds said:
Now taking bets....it's Steve vs Houston....who has the odds? hahahaha
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I got $5 on Waterless Cooking in the fourth... yorofl:



Maybe we should give a shot at building criteria for certificates/license types... Just my ideas -- feel free to add your own :)


I'm guessing maybe 5 levels should be sufficient:

Level 1: You know how to turn on your laptop, and plug it into somebody elses system.

Level 2: You have the skillset of Level 1, plus you actually sorta know what the sliders do on the board.

Level 3: You can run an extension cord without somebody tripping over it.

Level 4: You are vaguely aware of what ohms law is, and know how to turn on a microphone.

Level 5: Your PhD is in physics; your BS in electrical engineering. You are capable of un-mothballing/rebooting/rewiring and launching a Space Shuttle, to stop an asteroid from hitting Earth. You've met Mick Jagger, and he offered you the position of rigging director on the Stones tours. You can recite the entire theory of relativity after 11 beers, and add some new stuff that actually works. You're from Texas.


See how easy that was... :D
 
ahoustondj said:
Hmm which half end did you make and why not the whole thing? Was it the female end you did or the male end?yorofl:yorofl:yorofl:
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Really .. you need to resort to this? I'm not feeling the love. And it was the outside half I made ..
 
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