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If it's your business, then who's money do you think it is? Additionally, if you are a new business and you need to buy equipment to generate income, then how do you use non-existing 'money made from the business doing events' to buy it?

Who's money do you use to buy equipment .. we know your 'business' has not made enough of its own money to buy everything you have bought (let alone other costs).


Again .. If he's just starting out - how can he avoid using his own money - and use 'money made from the business doing events'? By your very loose figures, this would cost at least $1,600. Again .. If he hasn't made any money from doing events, then how on earth can he buy any of this without using his own money? Additionally (and again), exactly who's money is it .. if it's not his money?

I think you need a new name .. like nascar. You run around in circles covering the same track and not really going anywhere.
You are correct with that. I didn't look at it that way. I would say just don't go overboard. I know what ww do looks real easy and a newbie think they can make a ton of money as a DJ. I just caution someone just starting out to not over do it because they find out this business is not what they expected it to be and quit soon.
 
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You are correct with that. I didn't look at it that way. I would say just don't go overboard. I know what ww do looks real easy and a newbie think they can make a ton of money as a DJ. I just caution someone just starting out to not over do it because they find out this business is not what they expected it to be and quit soon.
Being that you're providing advice, exactly how long did it take before you had enough business money so you didn't have to use your own money?
 
However you can't just use any amp with passive speakers. You need an amp that will match up in terms of handling power. You don't want a amp that's more powerful than the speakers so you don't blow the speakers.
I'm not sure where you claim to have learned this gem of knowledge from .. but any professional will tell you it's wrong.

What I find quality name brand speakers have a reputation to keep up. Other brands like TP, Pyle or Gem Sound are low quality gear that normally won't last long or sound good. Rule of thumb is you get what you pay for most times. Sometimes you might be in need of something because of an emergency and don't have a lot of money to spend. If you can help it try not to have to that unless you have no other choice.
I'm one of those that believes in leading by example. You are 'advising' this stuff - but you certainly are not following it.
 
I'm not sure where you claim to have learned this gem of knowledge from .. but any professional will tell you it's wrong.


I'm one of those that believes in leading by example. You are 'advising' this stuff - but you certainly are not following it.
Well let me see you use a QSC 5050amp on a speaker rated at 500 watts per channel into 8 ohms and see what happens.
 
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“You need an amp that will match up in terms of handling power. You don't want a amp that's more powerful than the speakers so you don't blow the speakers”


That is the most inaccurate and wrong Statement I’ve heard in years. That shows a serious lack of understand of audio knowledge. Oh Boy
 
“You need an amp that will match up in terms of handling power. You don't want a amp that's more powerful than the speakers so you don't blow the speakers”


That is the most inaccurate and wrong Statement I’ve heard in years. That shows a serious lack of understand of audio knowledge. Oh Boy



Yep, If a speaker is rated at 1000 watts, you need a minimum of 1000 watts. and some manufactures recommend up to twice or even 3 times the power rating of the speaker. EV recommends my MTL1-x subs rated at 1200 watts use an amp rates at 2400 or 3600 watts to power them properly. But with that much power at hand, you need discipline and not over power them.
Think of it this way. A VW bug will go 100 mph but it is maxed out and can't go any faster. A Porch 911 can do 100 mph and it's still just idling along and the motor has plenty of power to go faster with ease.
If you power a 1000 watt speaker with a 1000 watt amp and push it to just below clipping, it has no head room for the peak signals so they hit the limiter and the nice round sign wave becomes squared off causing clipping. It's the square wave that clips and blows the speakers.
If you drive a 1000 watt speaker with a 2000 watt amp, and you push it to 1000 watts, you still have another 1000 watts in reserve before it starts to clip, so those peaks can be played effortlessly with no clipping keeping the speaker safe from the square wave that destroys speakers.
But this is where discipline comes in, it will sound clean pushing a 1000 watt speaker with a 2000 watt amp will sound clean with no distortion and it makes it hard not to keep pushing it harder.

Most people are use to when a speaker amp combo is matched they push it till distortion starts to be audible and they know it's maxed out, But this leaves no room for peak signals to be played without going over the clip limit. With twice the power you can push the speaker to a 1000 watts and it will sound clean and have room for peak signal to be played long before it come anywhere near clipping, so even the peaks sound clean because your still not clipping the amp.

But this only apply's if you push a system to the max. If your only running the rig at half power then you still have some head room left for peak signals to be played cleanly. But if you push your system to the max, it's best to double the amp power so you have some head room left to work with.
Clipping means your smooth sign wave is squaring off. and changing the DC power to AC and thats what blows speakers.
You can blow a 1000 watt speaker with a 300 watt amp if you let it clip all the time.
 
I used the QSC 5050 for an example. Now that amp at 8 ohms is rated at 1,100 watts. Meaning if you run the amp in a 8 ohms load with the volume knobs all the way up and hook it up to speakers that have only a 500 watt rating at 8 ohms, you will surely blow the speakers.

Now to be fair you could use that amp with a pair of 500 watt speakers. You just need to know what limitations you have using that amp with such speakers.
 
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I used the QSC 5050 for an example. Now that amp at 8 ohms is rated at 1,100 watts. Meaning if you run the amp in a 8 ohms load with the volume knobs all the way up and hook it up to speakers that have only a 500 watt rating at 8 ohms, you will surely blow the speakers.

Now to be fair you could use that amp with a pair of 500 watt speakers. You just need to know what limitations you have using that amp with such speakers.
Obviously you have not read the previous posts. It's rated for 1050W per channel (stereo) at 8 ohms .. and you will not blow up the speakers. Using that amp with a pair of 500W speakers doesn't change a thing - it's still 1050W per channel. If you're talking about a pair of speakers on one channel, now you're changing the ohm load, which generates different results - with a 4 ohm load, it's rated for 1600W per channel.
 
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I used the QSC 5050 for an example. Now that amp at 8 ohms is rated at 1,100 watts. Meaning if you run the amp in a 8 ohms load with the volume knobs all the way up and hook it up to speakers that have only a 500 watt rating at 8 ohms, you will surely blow the speakers.

Now to be fair you could use that amp with a pair of 500 watt speakers. You just need to know what limitations you have using that amp with such speakers.
Um ... no .. the amount of power outputted by the amp is a function of the voltage of the signal level coming in. In fact, the user manual says ... "The Gain controls are marked in dB of gain. Settings should normally be made within the upper half of the adjustment range. The range below 22 dB should not be used for normal program levels, as the input headroom could be exceeded, but can be used for testing at reduced levels."

The reason is with too strong a signal and too low of a gain setting, you might overdrive the input section.
 
@DJ4LIFE .. I hope this has been an educational thread for you both in terms of speakers, amps .. and the people that actually know what they're talking about. Please let us know if you have more specific questions.
 
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Steve you have to have a basic understand of how things actually work otherwise everything you said sounds like Greek. You are try to explain gain structure? good luck. By the logic being used if a amp has no gain controls it always plays at full output no manner what level the input is.
 
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Steve you have to have a basic understand of how things actually work otherwise everything you said sounds like Greek. You are try to explain gain structure? good luck. By the logic being used if a amp has no gain controls it always plays at full output no manner what level the input is.


Yep gain structure is complected with different brands and types of equipment. Unity gain is different on digital vs analog equipment. The specs on an amps input very from amp to amp and brand to brand.
You have to start with the sound source and set each piece of equipment down stream, to unity gain before clipping the input side. Mixers all have a set unity gain that can very from brand and type, so read the manuals on each piece of equipment in the signal chain. The amp gain should be the last thing you adjust in the signal chain.
I like to keep each piece of gear just below unity gain to allow for head room. Many of the good pre amps (mixers) have a veritable gain attenuater knob or switch to help with differing input signals from differing equipment.

Thats how many guitar amps achieve overdrive is with the input gain setting vs output volume. You can over drive the input setting to achieve distortion. But guitar amps are designed to do this without blowing the output gain or speakers. PA power amps are not designed to do that safely.
 
Let's roll it back to beginner level peeps. This person is 'new'.

Agreed.
There are some good youtube videos that enplane unity gain through out the signal chain. Newbies should do there research and gain knowledge about the subject.
But for the respect of this thread. My advice is always double amp power to speaker power. If you hear audible distortion coming from the speakers for gods sake, turn it down till you can figure out where it is coming from and add more equipment to achieve the db levels you are looking for. And learn and understand gain structure and how it works. And learn how to use limiters and compressors to protect your equipment.
 
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