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Got a request on thumbtack...I just don't have the gear or music to do it...I wonder who does?

dance party, 1000+, J-pop and K-pop.
This will be a dance party for Japanese pop culture convention. J-Pop and K-Pop must be the bulk of the music...

so, umm, not to sound stupid, but what is j-pop and k-pop?

No budget listed..but i'm guessing this will be a well paying gig.
 
Japanese and Korean Pop.
 
Gagnam Style IS K-Pop .. it's a lot of techno, electronic stuff. I couldn't pull off one without a lot of effort .. equipment you can always rent. And for 1000, you'd need a lot.
 
Wonder Girls K-Pop
 
I don't have any.

My wedding yesterday was Arabic. I am clueless to Arabic music. The groom emailed me a playlist of Arabic dance music from an app called Anghomi. I downloaded the app, paid for the premium version so there were no commercials, and used the app to play about 15 Arabic songs. I also used his phone so I could mix between phones.

...First time using phone apps at a DJ gig. I was uncomfortable doing it. His stupid I phone decided to lock me out at random and I did not know pass code. I went to mix to a song, and his phone locked...Mixed into dead air. I quickly picked another song from my phone and went back to that.

The music was not available on I Tunes, Amazon, or emusic.com. A few of the songs were on Spotify.

I don't want to do that again. ...I was embarrassed by the 3 seconds of dead air I had early in the open dancing of reception yesterday.
 
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i have an android app that can mix songs or do autoplay..not quite a pioneer but it's better IMO than itunes or an ipod/phone.

I've mixed a phone at a gig before..made me nervous.
Sat night used my daughters ipod...I bought GDFR from itunes and KNOW it's on the laptop...but ever so often it, um, misplaces a song. My daughter had it on her ipod so we did it that way.

Did a wedding years ago, as the photog, the groom was from italy and wanted 'achy breaky heart' and a few other country songs in italian! (yes, they exist)

Weirdest request i've had was last year where the toast was going to be sung, as a surprise, by an aunt...some song that a priest in ireland sang that went viral...and I needed the karaoke version (no words)...found it. Surprising what's out there!
 
Did a wedding years ago, as the photog, the groom was from italy and wanted 'achy breaky heart' and a few other country songs in italian! (yes, they exist)

Had a wedding with a big hispanic turnout last year, and a spanish version of Achy Breaky Heart was the biggest song for them by far. Spanish. Achy Breaky Heart. In 2014. I was amazed.
 
Caballo Dorado - No Rompas Mi Corazon
 
Let me say this. First a job where there are going to be 1000 people attending should be a very good paying job or I wouldn't take the job to begin with. Let me please ask these questions and I'm serous about these questions. Here is what I have in the basement right now. I have 2 Yamaha DSR 115 TOPS, 2 Yamaha S 215 speakers, 2 Earthquakes and 2 Yorkville 801p subs. How many people do you think that setup would be good for? What would you suggest that a DJ use for a setup for 1000 people?
 
I would think it would depend on what kind of event - 1000 dancing people vs a dinner for 1000...or is it a mix?

What level of music do they want overall? Is it one big room or several, and do they want music in other other areas or just one party location?

I would think a call to a sound company and let them do their thing - then you just show up and play. If this is the convention center in town it's all union - you pay to have them haul your gear, plug in your power, setup your booth.

A wedding venue here had a grand ballroom - 40 feet across and 100 some feet long, can be divided into two rooms, has 2 bars on opposite ends of the room. DJ sets up across the thin dimension about 1/3 of the way into the combined room. Could seat 600, been there for 350-400 people and the far end of the 'second' room is kinda quiet and feels left out of the doings. More sound on the floor won't help that much...so IMO a second set of speakers (just tops) over there would help - but they'd have to be wireless because cords would have to cross the main entrance, the front of the bar, access to the kitchen.

I"m top heavy and not all about that bass, as Meghan says. I bought out a guy that retired in 2006 and did only weddings, had but one sub, and matching a customized 15 year old sub isn't gonna be easy (custom build I suppose). Alternatively buying two (or more) matching powered subs won't be cheap - as in I can't make a business case for the expense/investment at this time.
 
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Let me say this. First a job where there are going to be 1000 people attending should be a very good paying job or I wouldn't take the job to begin with. Let me please ask these questions and I'm serous about these questions. Here is what I have in the basement right now. I have 2 Yamaha DSR 115 TOPS, 2 Yamaha S 215 speakers, 2 Earthquakes and 2 Yorkville 801p subs. How many people do you think that setup would be good for? What would you suggest that a DJ use for a setup for 1000 people?
Mix that's not a set up thats several separate systems, combining them into one large system would likely sound horrible because of all of the mixed cabinet designs,
 
I hear about not mixing brands/sizes as it will sound crappy...but are you sure?
Is 1000w louder than 250w? (the answer is essentially no, in dB)

I compared my mackie s505 to my peavey pr15 - one on each mono channel and I don't hear a difference or issues of any kind. Maybe in a big hall as I moved around I might hear something odd, not sure though.

Now mis matched subs might have issues but I'm not sold on that either. 100hz is 100hz whether it's from a 15" top or 18" sub or a linear array setup.

Mixing a 15 and 18 sub, or 12 and 15 tops is more likely to sound off as the range of each size speaker will be different. But 100 is 100hz, 5000 is 5000hz. Diff speaker sizes (or maybe designs) may emphasize one freq over the other, but a good speaker shouldn't do that, if one won't and the other won't then...together they won't either.
 
Different speakers from different vendors will have different responses due to the electronics, cabinet, materials and design of the drivers. In addition, the horns have different coverage patterns. You are correct, 100 hz is 100 hz .. but they each have their own way of getting there. Kind of like cars .. each car can get to 55mph, but they each have their own way of doing it .. and each have their own capabilities. To the common user, a speaker is a speaker is a speaker. The $3.00 speaker is the same as a $300.00 speaker - they both play sound. If that's true, then why do we have so many different speaker mfr's all boasting different capabilities and covering all price ranges.

In camera world, any camera can take a picture. Why do you need an expensive one? Why do you need long lenses? Short lenses? Why do you need any of the other options? You can buy a lens fairly cheap but there are also some very expensive lenses out there. Glass is glass, right? What makes glass from Nikon different from glass from Canon .. or any of the other mfr's? Same argument.
 
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To be twice as loud (+3 db) 250 watts would require 2500 watts.
 
To be twice as loud (+3 db) 250 watts would require 2500 watts.

Nope.
I can get (as I've measure it) 126db out of my speakers at 1m with ~250-300w amp (depends on which part of the literature i read as what the number is)
I doubt your speakers, or any 2500w speakers, are gonna do more than that - and 126 is overkill regardless.

I try to avoid going over 90db at a gig, but can do that with my 12s or 15s and even in my car (factory stereo).
 
In camera world, any camera can take a picture. Why do you need an expensive one? Why do you need long lenses? Short lenses? Why do you need any of the other options? You can buy a lens fairly cheap but there are also some very expensive lenses out there. Glass is glass, right? What makes glass from Nikon different from glass from Canon .. or any of the other mfr's? Same argument.

the difference in what camera (or lens) you need appears at teh edges of easy. Noon on a sunny july day most any camera can take a very nice picture. Now try that in 35F temp in a driving rainstorm just after sunset. As a pro the client is paying me to get the picture and deliver it to them, not to deliver an excuse instead.

And that could be said about DJing as well - they expect a certain result (sound, mc, lighting, experience, etc). They're paying us to know what that is and to have the gear to deliver it. If you do that, at or above their expectation you win.

What sounds good to one client may sound like crap to another. Some folks (like my wife) are content to watch a movie and use the tv speakers. I prefer surround sound. I like my music loud (most of the time) and my son (a teenager!) doesn't.

My philosophy is we are to recreate the live experience, which is usually loud. I want someone in the next room to wonder is that a recording or the real thing?
 
If you need to get louder you add boxes, 2500 watts into a 250 watt speaker is going to be a good night roasting marshmallows. My big system gets very nice and loud when I stretch it's legs. 2 pairs of CV's each pair fed by either a QSC PLX2 3602 in bridged mono or a QSC RMX 4050HD again in bridged mono. Tops are 6 Yamaha S115V's fed by either 3 QSC PLX2 3102's or 3 Yamaha P5000's .

Dependining on the sound you need I have a whole bunch of different combinations I can try that can result in the best sound for the situation. By the way the systems run smoothley with enough headroom to not even break a sweat.
 
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the prom I was at last week (as photobooth) I thought the DJ needed more/better tops (a pair of 12s is what he had, and a pair of 18 subs). 315 kids in attendance, 200 or more on the floor at times. His subs were 6 or 7 feet apart and tops a bit screechy which leads me to believe he had them cranked up pretty hard.
Going for more dB rather than more sound (more speakers moving more air).

Now is 2/2 enough? Is more better? Is there an overkill point?

Would 2 more speakers perhaps aimed outward have filled the room more and changed the experience, or would 2 more aimed at the floor have helped? or just 15s maybe?

I've heard bad sound systems but never saw a crowd not dance because of it so that's not a good benchmark.
 
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