I Got My New Duplicator Last Night.

I hope you are using this duplicator within the legal allowances, requirements and guidance. Unless you have other agreements in place, you are not legally allowed to make anymore than 1 backup copy of a disc. Also, you are allowed 1 set of music (to include backups) per 'system'.

Example, you are a multi op performing 2 shows tonight from 8 - 12 and at both you will play Brick House, you are supposed to have purchased 2 copies of that song.

I already know some of you don't care about and may want to argue this point but remember, we should be setting the example for what we would like / want / expect others to do. If you think it's ok to cheat, lie and steal then don't cry when people want to cheat, lie and steal from you.

If you want good media, use Taiyo Yuden branded media. I've bought from here before and they're pretty good.

I can't find it - but I believe audio is held to the same standards as movies are for copyrights. Again, I'm looking for it - but I'm pretty certain you are allowed one backup copy.

Just use common sense - the laws were not made around what we think is right or should be allowed.

Some info I have found specifically addressing one backup copy

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http://www.videointerchange.com/audio_questions.htm

Copyright Law

The copyright laws as they pertain to this issue, state that a person who has purchased a musical recording, is allowed to make a single copy of the music they purchased on a different medium. For Example: you buy a CD, then make a tape copy of it to listen to in the car. That is perfectly legal. However. it would NOT be legal if you then sell or even give that tape to anyone else.

The copyright laws also allow a person to make a copy of the recording for safekeeping (or archiving). In other words, you are permitted to make ONE CD copy to serve as a backup in case the original master is destroyed.

Because of copyright issues we do not offer additional copies of our transfers or restorations - unless it is in the public domain, non-copyright or you are the copyright holder. The paperwork in trying to keep track of it all and checking for compliance is simply too great for the rates we charge. By placing an order for a transfer / restoration, you are by default, certifying that you are agreeing to and have met the above conditions.

Copyright Law alone, fills many pages of legislation..... Far more so than this brief discourse. Only a copyright lawyer who "eats, sleeps and breathes" copyright law can even begin to understand it. So convoluted and confusing are the laws that rarely will two separate courts themselves ever agree on an exact interpretation. That alone is another reason why that materials you submit for transfer, you by default certify you have the legal rights to make a copy....

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http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=868&page=3

Abstract: This article is a guideline on what you can and cannot do with your digital media under copyright. We wanted to dig a little deeper and clear up the somewhat grey area on backing up software and music.

When can you backup legally?

Making multiple copies of the software - Copyright law in the United States and most other countries including Canada and the UK allows for a single 'archival' copy of any given commercial software to be made, for use only if the original fails. The wording may actually allow for two copies, but one of these is considered to be the 'copy' that is installed to the hard drive in order to use the program. Making any additional copies for personal use is a violation.

I also don't want to get into a pissing match. That's why I said to use common sense. Just know what you are doing may be wrong. I can probably guarantee you that 99.9% of the people here speed - just know that when you get caught, you were in the wrong.

Legalities aside, if you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk. If you want to set the example, then do it.

Just for S&G and using a very loose and undefined definition of 'fair use' - in the example here, if the duplicator is used to make 5 copies of a media and it is distributed to 5 separate people, is that 'fair use' - I don't think the law would think so. If the 5 copies are locked up, would that be 'fair use'? Again, probably not because the argument could be that in the event of a loss (fire, flood, whatever) of the first copy (all copies stored together), all copies would be lost.

More:

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http://www.synthgear.com/2010/diy/how-to-pirate-a-vinyl-record/

By American law this isn’t pirating if you are doing it to make a single backup copy for yourself. By law it is legal to make a backup copy of music you already own legally and there is no restriction as to what form or how you make your one backup copy under the Fair Use Act and the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992.

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http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/01/are-personal-copies-digital-music-files-unauthorized-or-not

I couldn't pull this up from my current location but this is the EFF's (Electronic Frontier Foundation) website.

That's how I understood it.

MIXMASTERMACHOM said:

I ordered a new duplicator from Duplicator Depot and picked it up last night. I got a 5 in 1 unit so i don't have copy cd's one at a time. It saves me a ton of time making copy's of more then one cd. I used to have to use my pc and now i don't.

Gotr it for a great price. The speed is 24x and it was $299.00 with free shipping. Couldn't beat that. I tried it out last night and at times some of the disc wouldn't read. So sometimes it wouldn't copy all 5 disc. I guess it had to do with the disc used. They are Staples brand disc. I'm going to try some different disc later and see if that solves the problem.

I just am still waiting on my new facade with a built in table top to come in. When i do i plan on taking pictures..

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If you're duplicating for backup purposes. Good on you but I don't see making 5 copies at once for backup.

You'd probably spend less 'backing up' your music by buying Amazon MP3's for $.99 a pop.

I guess we shall wait on clarification from the OP about the intended purpose of this machine. I think this is good info for everyone reading tho.

Rob, what are the odds of that actually happening? I could give you an example of having 10 backups and every one is destroyed. Same problems.

I also didn't dispute using / playing the original OR the backup. I'm sure you could play either - if playing the backup, the original becomes the archive.

Since we're talking about loss due to a fire / flood / etc, how many of you are setup for disaster recovery? If you don't currently have a plan, you might want to start thinking about it.

^I'd tend to agree with Rob. I have 3 MP3 players. 2 of them are sitting in a drawer loaded with MP3s. My laptop also mirrors my MP3 collection. They're essentially archives. I'm still 1 one 1 though because I'm only playing the song on one device at any given time.

I still question the need for 5 physical backup copies though.

Would that be distribution?

jokerswild said:

Agreed and the point I was making is that copyright laws in regards to Fair Use do not determine a minimum or maximum allowable amount of Archive Copies... it just stipulates that it is ok to do so as long as the intent is not to distribute.

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I don't know that it doesn't say how many either. Does anyone here know? Can someone tell us? I think it to be one but I may be wrong (or right).