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I will simply disagree with you on that. That is slave/maser mentality, and it enables modern day serfdom.

That kind of mentality is exactly why we have .1% of the population on this planet controlling over 40% of the entire planet's wealth.

This is also why employers have had problems since the pandemic with hiring people, and so much job hopping. The younger workers have been demanding to be paid better, and I solute them for it. It took job hopping, and unwillingness to work by a whole generation of workers to finally move wages up a couple notches the last 2.5 years.

Gig Pigs take advantage of a lot of DJs out there because they know the DJ needs the work/date filled so they will say "I'm paying $350" or "The event pays $350" and you either accept it, or don't accept it and they move onto the next DJ. I'm not okay with a company charging $1,000 and only paying the DJ $350.

There is actually a "multi op" in my area that charges around $1,200 for weddings, and pays their DJs 33% so the DJ usually get's $350 to $400, maybe $450 on most events. From what I understand, they have lost a lot of DJs in the last few years who wised up and simply moved on.

You might say "Well life can't be fair". I say Bull Shit. Why can't it be fair? Business owners should be committed to treating the people who work with or for them fairly. YOu know the old saying "Treat others the way you want to be treated!" ...Well that hasn't been practiced for very many decades by most employers, and business owners in terms of their labor. There was once a time when it was practiced. Probably the 1950s when company owners only earned around 4X to 5X what their average employees made annually. Now we have companies where CEOs and Owners make 2,000X what their employees make which isn't right. That is called Greed. Plain and simple.

As you may know, I did a number of sub-contract gigs with a guy that's local. During one of my conversations he was bragging "I try to pay 1/3 to my subs." and it rubbed me the wrong way (like what you're talking about) however, it looks more like he was paying me 70%-80% of the take, which I think is a more fair split. Of course, this guy is a bottom-feeder and it looks like his typical gig is maybe $750. I now have enough of my own work that I no longer take anything from him.
 
It's curious to see post s about the everlasting life of "the DJ" on a site that has devolved into an echo chamber of so very few.

This is a GREAT group of guys and they give spot-on advice, most of the time. So what if it's not 1000s of DJs? If you don't see the value then why don't you just stay gone?
 
That kind of mentality is exactly why we have .1% of the population on this planet controlling over 40% of the entire planet's wealth.

This is what happens when you successfully deal with an agent/multi-op

I now have enough of my own work that I no longer take anything from him.
 
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As you may know, I did a number of sub-contract gigs with a guy that's local. During one of my conversations he was bragging "I try to pay 1/3 to my subs." and it rubbed me the wrong way (like what you're talking about) however, it looks more like he was paying me 70%-80% of the take, which I think is a more fair split. Of course, this guy is a bottom-feeder and it looks like his typical gig is maybe $750. I now have enough of my own work that I no longer take anything from him.
So he's a bottom feeder because he charges $750? So In your opinions what price would get him to stop being a bottom feeder?
 
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This is a GREAT group of guys and they give spot-on advice, most of the time. So what if it's not 1000s of DJs? If you don't see the value then why don't you just stay gone?
He misses us😁

or…no one else will let him in😁
 
Any way you look at it, if a client paid someone $750, and that person turns around and pays someone else $250 to do the job, and that DJ actually facilitating the job brings all their own equipment, handles every aspect of the job outside of booking the job, and providing an agreement, and collecting the payments, then the the person who handled the booking is simply a shyster taking advantage of someone else. Bringing in a DJ for $250 because the person is new or desperate for money/work but charging the client $750 is what snake oil sales/business people do. They are taking advantage of the DJ.

Also, I KNOW 100% that a business person/company that operates in this fashion was not on the up and up with the client. NEVER EVER would they say to the client "Hey listen, I'm going to charge you $750 for a DJ, and then hand off the paper work to your DJ. I will pay them $250, and they will be the person you communicate with from here on out. Next time you hear from me will be after the event to see how everything goes. Is that cool with you? "

NEVER EVER would this person be honest with the client.

So to answer your question. Yes, they are taking advantage of you. They are exploiting you, the laborer. The one doing all the work.

Now, if the company/booking person was providing all the equipment to facilitate the job, and handled all the planning aspects with the client...then perhaps I can see an arrangement like this being beneficial to both parties...maybe 45/55 or 50/50...not 33/67 unless the Van/Car, and fuel money, and company polo shirt was provided too.
I am doing a sub contracted gig later this year. It was an open date of mine. I’m making a fair price. I hope the guy that booked it is making plenty of money. i don’t need to know how much they made. . I want him to want to hire me again. Thankfully, my schedule is usually full and I can’t take many from others, but I like knowing I’m wanted because they can make money too, I’ll represent them professionally and I can always fall back on that if needed.
 
I am doing a sub contracted gig later this year. It was an open date of mine. I’m making a fair price. I hope the guy that booked it is making plenty of money. i don’t need to know how much they made. . I want him to want to hire me again. Thankfully, my schedule is usually full and I can’t take many from others, but I like knowing I’m wanted because they can make money too, I’ll represent them professionally and I can always fall back on that if needed.

Interesting. Are you not receiving a copy of the agreement that the client signed which would have their price quote on it?

If not, how did you come to your compensation for the event? Did you simply charge him what you would charge any customer, and send him an agreement like you would a direct customer of yours? Or did he tell you "I'm paying XXX" and you agreed to that pay off the bat?
 
Interesting. Are you not receiving a copy of the agreement that the client signed which would have their price quote on it?

If not, how did you come to your compensation for the event? Did you simply charge him what you would charge any customer, and send him an agreement like you would a direct customer of yours? Or did he tell you "I'm paying XXX" and you agreed to that pay off the bat?
I have done an occasional sub contracted gig, I quote my price for the gig, if they are good enough At marketing to be able to make money above and beyond that kudos to them, I’ve never known nor do I care what they charged, I have a contract with the person who hired me and client contact and information she the provided
 
Interesting. Are you not receiving a copy of the agreement that the client signed which would have their price quote on it?

If not, how did you come to your compensation for the event? Did you simply charge him what you would charge any customer, and send him an agreement like you would a direct customer of yours? Or did he tell you "I'm paying XXX" and you agreed to that pay off the bat?
Never asked for his agreement. He told me what was required for the event and I gave him a price. I gave him a discount, but not a lot. As I mentioned, I want him to make money. If he’sa much better sales person than me and was able to charge much more than I would, good for him.
I sent him the agreement
 
While it’s possible luck can be a factor, in my experience, luck has often very little to do with success. Being prepared or ready for the opportunities when they present themselves is key.
I think everyone in business has made decisions that when looking back, they would make a different choice knowing what they know now. It’s called experience.
I agree, being prepared for opportunities is very important. And learning from mistakes is necessary in any business venture. Looking back, I had opportunities that I wasn't prepared for. There turned out to be a lot more to DJing weddings than I realized and my training amounted to shadowing at just one wedding. So I ending up making lots of mistakes to learn from.

Anyway, Like the OP (Mike) I decided to give up weddings because the long hours were too much for my back pain. I made that decision at the end of 2019 so timing was pretty good. 14 years as a DJ/MC has helped me acquire knowledge and skills that are useful as a musician/entertainer, so for me it was a good experience.
 
What I do to get relief for my back pain is wearing a back brace. I was diagnosed with bulging disk in my back that turned into Arthritis. Eventually it went to my left hip with me getting hip replacement surgery.
 
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