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SoftJock Rick said:
DJ software is another piece of your kit. Do you have yours insured?

For the sake of debate, what if your hard drive dies. or your computer is stolen. You then have to buy another copy of your software.
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Actually have had this happen with VDJ a simple phone call and explanation and they sent me a new license key at no charge, I was up and running the same day, and who would be stupid enough to not have a backup of their library, I keep one at home and one at work both if fireproof safes, plus my entire iTunes library is downloadable anytime off of the cloud. you have to be prepared
 
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Dumbass mistake on my part.
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
DJ software is another piece of your kit. Do you have yours insured?

For the sake of debate, what if your hard drive dies. or your computer is stolen. You then have to buy another copy of your software.
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You do? I only buy once ;)
 
SoftJock Rick said:
The DJ software business has taken a huge hit of late. DJs are cheap bastards when it comes to software -- they want it for free.
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I am certain that you are wrong about DJs being cheap. I am speculating that you are not seriously marketing your software to actual DJs and that lack of serious intention to know your demographic is killing your product.

The majority of self-proclaimed DJs are PART TIME users, with less than 5 years experience and few real DJ, music, or editing skills. They think like you do - that this is just another PC application and a keyboard and mouse are "good enough" tools. They are not - at least not to people with truly professional DJ skills. The tools of a live DJ are all external (peripherals) and the software is just reactionary.

If you want to tap that 90% of the market that is part time, doesn't mix, and needs something more than an iPod to boost their self-image - then you need to lower your price because to this kind of DJ gigs are optional, and all purchases are discretionary. They are likely to use it more often alone at home than in front of an audience.

All of the full time pros have specific needs and parameters for ANY product they buy. They may be a multi-op looking for something to fit their existing parameters. Single-ops may be known for specific styles or skills, and A/V people will want something that can handle a majority of common video formats flawlessly alongside audio. They will spend good money to get it - but, not from developers who admit to building a product that only: "suits their personal style and preference."

Do you work for free...?
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As you describe it - you're not really working.
You admit to building a product that suits yourself - and failing to recognize that it doesn't suit any of these people you are calling "cheap."

You can't for example, tell pro DJs seeking controller maps that: "controllers are unnecessary when you have a keyboard and mouse" and expect them to take you, your product, or your understanding of the DJ craft seriously. If you're not seriously listening to DJs than what you are promoting is a novelty software - not a DJ product/
 
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Proformance said:
The majority of self-proclaimed DJs are PART TIME users, with less than 5 years experience and few real DJ, music, or editing skills. They think like you do - that this is just another PC application and a keyboard and mouse are "good enough" tools. They are not - at least not to people with truly professional DJ skills. The tools of a live DJ are all external (peripherals) and the software is just reactionary.
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I agree with most of your post except for this Bob there are lots of pro working DJs that have no desire to use a controller I'm one of them. I know how and I was beatmixing by ear long before there was software but in my case with the events I do a controller would be just more gear to carry and a waste of money
 
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Jeff Romard said:
I agree with most of your post except for this Bob there are lots of pro working DJs that have no desire to use a controller I'm one of them. I know how and I was beatmixing by ear long before there was software but in my case with the events I do a controller would be just more gear to carry and a waste of money
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"Working," "Pro" and "DJ" are not synonymous.
It is entirely possible for someone to slide back down the ladder or become something else. "The kind of events I do" might be an indication that you are now something other than a DJ.
 
Well I just checked my business card and website they both claim I'm a DJ :confused:

I'll do about 60 events before the year is over so I guess I qualify as working :eek:

And I garner the top rate in my market...Have for some time so I don't know if that qualifies me as pro but let's go with that

I choose the gigs I want to do because I can I have no need or desire to become a gig whore I've been down that road these days I do what I do best and leave the rest either for my other DJs or for someone that needs the work more than I do the way I see it is that put me up the ladder not down same as a doctor or lawyer that specializes in an area.

I did my first bar gig in years tonight. I did it as a favour to a friend (and yes I did get paid) I suspect I'll do a few more before the end of the year for him also then I'll go back to doing my thing and not using a controller ;)
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
DJ software is another piece of your kit. Do you have yours insured?

For the sake of debate, what if your hard drive dies. or your computer is stolen. You then have to buy another copy of your software.
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That's not legally accurate. The license owner is ME not the computer. While you may have a code called a "machine license" issued at the time of installation that does not prohibit me from transferring my software license to another machine under ANY circumstance, including theft.
 
Jeff Romard said:
Well I just checked my business card and website they both claim I'm a DJ :confused:

I'll do about 60 events before the year is over so I guess I qualify as working :eek:

And I garner the top rate in my market...Have for some time so I don't know if that qualifies me as pro but let's go with that

I choose the gigs I want to do because I can I have no need or desire to become a gig whore I've been down that road these days I do what I do best and leave the rest either for my other DJs or for someone that needs the work more than I do the way I see it is that put me up the ladder not down same as a doctor or lawyer that specializes in an area.

I did my first bar gig in years tonight. I did it as a favour to a friend (and yes I did get paid) I suspect I'll do a few more before the end of the year for him also then I'll go back to doing my thing and not using a controller ;)
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I'm not evaluating whether you are working or making money or happy.
Simply noting that the profession moves - and if you are not moving with it then you are overtaken by the tide of everyday commonality.
What separates a professional DJ from everyone else is that they are equipped and prepared to do with the music things that others are not.
A keyboard and a mouse is home computer equipment - not professional audio gear. While they are a necessary part of today's technology they do not adequately equip you to be a DJ.

The difference between a band and a track act is that the track act can not adapt - they are limited by how they have equipped themselves. Even if they have the talent and know how to be creative and spontaneous - it is wasted because they are not adequately equipped to do anything more with it than repeat. To be professional is to be prepared. If you are not equipped to deliver the full measure of your talent - then that talent is now unavailable and you are no longer defined by it relative to anyone else with a PC.
 
Since you CAN do anything with a keyboard and a mouse that you can do with a controller (excepting the few tactile touches on some dials), not sure how one use is more professional than the other except maybe in photo ops. I think the proper sentiment is: To each their own.

A controller may make certain tasks easier (you have a more feel on a platter than on a mouse controlled knob and hitting multiple physical buttons near simultaneously is far easier), there is nothing there that implies any less professionalism not using a controller, except to those DJs who feel inadequate.

I have controllers and use them sparingly.
 
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Proformance said:
I'm not evaluating whether you are working or making money or happy.
Simply noting that the profession moves - and if you are not moving with it then you are overtaken by the tide of everyday commonality.
What separates a professional DJ from everyone else is that they are equipped and prepared to do with the music things that others are not.
A keyboard and a mouse is home computer equipment - not professional audio gear. While they are a necessary part of today's technology they do not adequately equip you to be a DJ.

The difference between a band and a track act is that the track act can not adapt - they are limited by how they have equipped themselves. Even if they have the talent and know how to be creative and spontaneous - it is wasted because they are not adequately equipped to do anything more with it than repeat. To be professional is to be prepared. If you are not equipped to deliver the full measure of your talent - then that talent is now unavailable and you are no longer defined by it relative to anyone else with a PC.
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I know you'll be shocked by this Bob but I disagree with you. There is very little if anything you can do on a controller that I can't do on a laptop with a mouse. I know how to use a controller I choose not to because I see it as an unnecessary piece of equipment. I have no need to show people how professional I am by presenting equipment that serves me little or no purpose. If I leave the impression to anyone that they can do what I can do (and truth be told most can with a little training) feel free to make the investment in gear and music and marketing and have a go at it.

If you are defined by the fact that you have any piece of gear then you have deeper problems than a controller Vs mouse
 
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Proformance said:
I'm not evaluating whether you are working or making money or happy.
Simply noting that the profession moves - and if you are not moving with it then you are overtaken by the tide of everyday commonality.
What separates a professional DJ from everyone else is that they are equipped and prepared to do with the music things that others are not.
A keyboard and a mouse is home computer equipment - not professional audio gear. While they are a necessary part of today's technology they do not adequately equip you to be a DJ.

The difference between a band and a track act is that the track act can not adapt - they are limited by how they have equipped themselves. Even if they have the talent and know how to be creative and spontaneous - it is wasted because they are not adequately equipped to do anything more with it than repeat. To be professional is to be prepared. If you are not equipped to deliver the full measure of your talent - then that talent is now unavailable and you are no longer defined by it relative to anyone else with a PC.
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Rubbish.
Regardless of what music I play, or what I use to play it...I am not "overtaken by commonality".
There is more to being a DJ than playing music.
A monkey can be taught to do any physical motion and end up with the desired result.
A keyboard and a mouse DO adequately equip you to be a DJ. If you can use them to play music, that is adequate.
And the comparison with "track acts" is a little ridiculous.
We basically play recorded music, and even though we can manipulate the music using different pieces of gear...
we are STILL doing nothing more than playing recorded music. All DJ's ARE track acts.
And lastly...not all of our "talent" is in the way we deliver music to the speakers.
 
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Proformance said:
That's not legally accurate. The license owner is ME not the computer. While you may have a code called a "machine license" issued at the time of installation that does not prohibit me from transferring my software license to another machine under ANY circumstance, including theft.
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I beg to disagree (actually, I don't beg, but it sounded cool) :D

My EULA is very specific:

Section 2. License

This EULA allows you to:

(a) Install the trial version of the Software. If you agree to purchase the Software, and a verified payment has been made to SoftJock, the following applies:

(b) Install and use the Software on a single computer; OR install and store the Software on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to run or install the Software on your other computers over an internal network, provided you have a license for each separate computer on which the Software is installed or run from the storage device. A license for the Software may not be shared or used concurrently on different computers.

(c) Make one copy of the Software in machine-readable form solely for backup purposes. You must reproduce on any such copy all copyright notices and any other proprietary legends on the original copy of the Software.

Section 3.

3. License Restrictions


(a) Other than as set forth in Section 2, you may not make or distribute copies of the Software, or electronically transfer the Software from one computer to another or over a network.


(b) You may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reduce the Software to a human-perceivable form.

(c) You may not sell, rent, lease, transfer or sublicense the Software.

(d) You may not modify the Software or create derivative works based upon the Software.

(e) You may not export the Software into any country prohibited by the United States Export Administration Act and the regulations thereunder.

(f) In the event that you fail to comply with this EULA, SoftJock may terminate the license and you must destroy all copies of the Software.


Now mind you, our grace policy has expired, and the sale is over -- price is back to normal. If you want to use it on 2 computers (second being your backup computer you take to gigs, and you already purchased your main version, we can invoice you for half the price of the original for the backup computer license.
 
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I'm also a slice and dice act :D I may not be a PRO DJ because it's a hobby for me but I hold my own ;)
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
I beg to disagree (actually, I don't beg, but it sounded cool) :D

My EULA is very specific:

Section 2. License

This EULA allows you to:

(a) Install the trial version of the Software. If you agree to purchase the Software, and a verified payment has been made to SoftJock, the following applies:

(b) Install and use the Software on a single computer; OR install and store the Software on a storage device, such as a network server, used only to run or install the Software on your other computers over an internal network, provided you have a license for each separate computer on which the Software is installed or run from the storage device. A license for the Software may not be shared or used concurrently on different computers.

(c) Make one copy of the Software in machine-readable form solely for backup purposes. You must reproduce on any such copy all copyright notices and any other proprietary legends on the original copy of the Software.

Section 3.

3. License Restrictions


(a) Other than as set forth in Section 2, you may not make or distribute copies of the Software, or electronically transfer the Software from one computer to another or over a network.


(b) You may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, or otherwise reduce the Software to a human-perceivable form.

(c) You may not sell, rent, lease, transfer or sublicense the Software.

(d) You may not modify the Software or create derivative works based upon the Software.

(e) You may not export the Software into any country prohibited by the United States Export Administration Act and the regulations thereunder.

(f) In the event that you fail to comply with this EULA, SoftJock may terminate the license and you must destroy all copies of the Software.


Now mind you, our grace policy has expired, and the sale is over -- price is back to normal. If you want to use it on 2 computers (second being your backup computer you take to gigs, and you already purchased your main version, we can invoice you for half the price of the original for the backup computer license.
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1.) There is nothing in your EULA that prohibits me from moving the software to a new machine.
2.) Your EULA specifically identifies the licensee as a person ("you") not a specific machine.
 
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