What about 3 ways that require an active crossover, three lines and three amps?
Finally heard BOSE L1 and QSC K12's
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What about 3 ways that require an active crossover, three lines and three amps?
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Again not an option! This would only work if it was a straight forward passive speaker shootout.
What I believe is being talked about is a System shootout.
Number 1. Most active systems already use some form of processing (some a lot more than others)!
Number 2. Active systems use many different levels of power for both the LF and HF drivers.
Number 3. Passive speakers for one system may perform differently with a given amount of power, so speaker system "A" may be able to get by on 500 watts while speaker system "B" may need to have 1000 watts to perform at it's peak!
If you are going to have a system shootout the only thing that needs to be limited is (as you said) music choice and setup time! As for music choice I would say "Billie Jean" would be a good choice for one song but I would suggest two others as well "Sandstorm" and Mozart's concerto no. 5 in A major. These three songs will work out every aspect of a system's sound and clarity!
By limiting setup to 15 minutes you can eliminate huge systems that really have no place being used against systems like the Bose L1's or the Dynacord all in ones and powered speakers like the RCF, Mackie, JBL etc.
I mean I would love to compare a system using 6 18" subs, 4 15" midbass, 4 15" midrange and a pair 4" HF drivers with 10,000 to 20,000 watts to any of the above mentioned speaker systems but I also know that it wouldn't exactly be fair! So the true test is for each DJ to bring the system that they would typically use for a normal wedding reception!
See?
People can't even agree on how a "shoot out" should be conducted. Imagine what will happen when it happens. Think anyone is gonna agree on what sounds better?
To me, the only time i'm gonna spend time looking at new stuff is when i'm in the market for new speakers.
It's kind of like going to a car dealership and test driving cars when I'm not really in the market for a new car.
People can't even agree on how a "shoot out" should be conducted. Imagine what will happen when it happens. Think anyone is gonna agree on what sounds better?
To me, the only time i'm gonna spend time looking at new stuff is when i'm in the market for new speakers.
It's kind of like going to a car dealership and test driving cars when I'm not really in the market for a new car.
How about this:
Get some people who are NOT dj's into a room.
Turn down the lights.
Tell them they will hear :30 of the same song played by each system
When it's done, ask them for their opinion.
That will answer any questions about which one is best.
Dave
Get some people who are NOT dj's into a room.
Turn down the lights.
Tell them they will hear :30 of the same song played by each system
When it's done, ask them for their opinion.
That will answer any questions about which one is best.
Dave
Only a DJ, could take a simple concept, and turn it into a clusterf... :sqerr: 
It's easy -- plug the sh_t in, turn it on, listen.
The rules were laid forth upon yer sorry souls earlier -- re-read them (there is an ABC song, for those having reading problems)
I made the rules up -- I rule!
It's easy -- plug the sh_t in, turn it on, listen.
The rules were laid forth upon yer sorry souls earlier -- re-read them (there is an ABC song, for those having reading problems)
I made the rules up -- I rule!
There is a big difference between comparing speakers vs systems.
The criteria should be same song and thats it.
The "judges" will have to take into account if the sound is just right, too loud or not, the clarity of the sound and maybe SPL/DB Level. Remember some claim that their system can handle 300 people etc, so let them bring what they have. It simply goes to say that if what you have is inadequate then it will sound blaring and noisy.
It is also fair to say that each DJ has his/her own system so you can't put restrictions on what they should use for processing or signal source or power.
Setup time is of no consequence, it has nothing to do with sound or music reproduction which is one of the things the Client is purchasing.
The criteria should be same song and thats it.
The "judges" will have to take into account if the sound is just right, too loud or not, the clarity of the sound and maybe SPL/DB Level. Remember some claim that their system can handle 300 people etc, so let them bring what they have. It simply goes to say that if what you have is inadequate then it will sound blaring and noisy.
It is also fair to say that each DJ has his/her own system so you can't put restrictions on what they should use for processing or signal source or power.
Setup time is of no consequence, it has nothing to do with sound or music reproduction which is one of the things the Client is purchasing.
:sqerr: And here all the time I was thinking you all wanted to compare real systems/speakers!!!!!!!!! Who wants their racehorse to compete against mules?
Please re-read post # 46 Canute -- it is simple.
Plug sh_t in, turn it on, listen
If you need to write a book about it, you are working the wrong crowd...
Exactly. This is what I was thinking when I posted earlier.
Active cabinets are PA systems by definition. If one can patch a microphone and line level souce to the back and get sound out of the front, it's a PA system.
If ya wanna be honest about it, active speaker systems cannot be directly compared to passive speaker systems. Some active speakers are offered in passive versions.
There are many variables, even among speaker cabinets of like design. Driver size, cabinet construction, power handling capability, voltage input or volume etc.
We can compare cabinets of like design 'til the cows come home. But the true test is in the ears of the beerholder. Whether loud or soft, it's gotta have a good tone. And it's got to do what you need it to do for your business.
In all honesty, most people wouldn't be able to tell a whole heck of a lot of difference anyway.