DBX DriveRack PA+

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Nov 9, 2009
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What does this unit do as far as shaping and fixing audio? I am not really too familiar with these units. Does the EV DC-One do the same thing? or are they totally different units?

What does RTA do? Does it automatically setup the speakers for the room you are in?

Sorry for the vague questions, but I want to try to optimize the sound I get from my system. Just trying to figure out the best way to do that.

Is it basically an ALL-In-One solution for live sound?

Thanks again guys.
 
When used properly it is a great all in one solution for running a two or 3 way system.
 
What are you trying to do soundwise with your system?
 
RTA is used to listen to your speakers it will produce a pink noise and attempt to set your EQ to a flat setting so that the noise it's generating to the speakers sounds the same as what is being picked up by your RTA mic..... the Behringer DEQ-2496 did the same thing except minus the crossover ability....

Since you are using EV I'd recomend the DC-One since it has built in programs for your specific speakers and amp configuration and also a more intuitive interface via your computer..... by appearances it'd be easier to use. Albiet more expensive.
 
You absolutely should use the DC-One instead of a driverack here...you will be able to use the correct factory presets for your Tour-X System as well as get a TON more features including:

-6db pad on the input
AES/EBU digital input (great if/when DJ mixers have digital outs)
Graphic EQ
Parametric EQ
Limiters
Delay

...the list is really a mile long with all the cool stuff this thing will do. Yes - it is more expensive than some others on the market, but the DC-One is light years ahead of those units.
 
LOL... Hey Robert... does that sound a bit like the e-mails we exchanged? ;)

Ben

You absolutely should use the DC-One instead of a driverack here...you will be able to use the correct factory presets for your Tour-X System as well as get a TON more features including:

-6db pad on the input
AES/EBU digital input (great if/when DJ mixers have digital outs)
Graphic EQ
Parametric EQ
Limiters
Delay

...the list is really a mile long with all the cool stuff this thing will do. Yes - it is more expensive than some others on the market, but the DC-One is light years ahead of those units.
 
You absolutely should use the DC-One instead of a driverack here...you will be able to use the correct factory presets for your Tour-X System as well as get a TON more features including:

-6db pad on the input
AES/EBU digital input (great if/when DJ mixers have digital outs)
Graphic EQ
Parametric EQ
Limiters
Delay

...the list is really a mile long with all the cool stuff this thing will do. Yes - it is more expensive than some others on the market, but the DC-One is light years ahead of those units.

Just ordered my second one straight from the factory today :)
 
This is just a thought but if you are using a basic two way system, why not just use your ears and a simple 31 band EQ to tune it to the room for the best possible sound!

No amount of automatic magic machine is going to get you past using your ears in setting up a system! For larger setups it will help but your ears and fine tuning are still required!
 
This is just a thought but if you are using a basic two way system, why not just use your ears and a simple 31 band EQ to tune it to the room for the best possible sound!

No amount of automatic magic machine is going to get you past using your ears in setting up a system! For larger setups it will help but your ears and fine tuning are still required!

I agree, but the DC ONE does so much more than " Auto EQ a room ". And if you run EV speakers, it really is the way to go. Actually last week at a middle school gig , a pair of my Single 18 EV Tour X subs died out on me, which is confusing because we've only owned that particular pair for about 6 months, and with the quality of EV i wouldn't expect this to happen. Well, after speaking with some of the people at EV it sounds like the digital crossover i was using may have been not crossing over at the correct frequencies for the setup, because everything else i was using was EV except a Tannoy digital crossover. I use EV mics, Amps, and speakers. So that is what prompted me to buy a second DC One, to run with this second rig because that will avoid this problem in the future, so hopefully i'll get that in about the same time the subs get back from the shop. Thanks EV for continuing to make great products, even though my subs did fail, this is a first, and i've been an EV customer for 10 years.
 
I agree, but the DC ONE does so much more than " Auto EQ a room ". And if you run EV speakers, it really is the way to go. Actually last week at a middle school gig , a pair of my Single 18 EV Tour X subs died out on me, which is confusing because we've only owned that particular pair for about 6 months, and with the quality of EV i wouldn't expect this to happen. Well, after speaking with some of the people at EV it sounds like the digital crossover i was using may have been not crossing over at the correct frequencies for the setup, because everything else i was using was EV except a Tannoy digital crossover. I use EV mics, Amps, and speakers. So that is what prompted me to buy a second DC One, to run with this second rig because that will avoid this problem in the future, so hopefully i'll get that in about the same time the subs get back from the shop. Thanks EV for continuing to make great products, even though my subs did fail, this is a first, and i've been an EV customer for 10 years.

Ok I am confused!

1. Your Tannoy Crossover stopped working?

2. Your EV subs fried a basket?

3. The amps driving your subs went into protect mode?

The vast majority of crossovers have adjustable frequencies and adjustable gains for each frequency set as well! Most every amp on the ,arket has some form of overdrive (clip) protection!

Did you lose your subs or did the protection mode of the amps simply drop the level of output?

A driver regardless of size has a given frequency range in which it has optimal performance and a given power handling capability, an amp has a given given frequency range in which it has optimal performance and a given power output range when these two are exceeded together then you run into the possibility of destruction of the driver. A sub driver can be given a full range signal at full power and the only significant difference will be a muddy mess for sound! unless it simply doesn't have the ability to handle frwquencies below a given level of say 40 hertz and you are giving it a steady diet of 20 hertz input.

Most crossovers have a 30 or 40 hertz filter to stop this from happening it is a matter of pushing a button. Now unless you were running a sudo sub using 12 inch drivers or smaller there really is no reason that you should have had a problem with driver destruction! Which is something several of us here have been trying to stress that anything smaller than 15" for subs simply isn't a sub to begin with, they do make an excellent lower mid driver and are best used for 80 hertz and up!

Ultimately the best protection for a system is not a limiter or a magic cure all box, what is the best protection is the operator knowing the gear and it's capabilities he/she is using making the proper adjustments for the best sound in each venue and constant vigilance in monitoring what is going on during a performance! The operators ear detects distortion in the subs and reduces the output, thereby correcting the lower frequencies on the mixer or outboard EQ.

Even with subs designed to handle frequenies down to 12 hertz, I have seen DJs come in and smily face an EQ and destroy the subs in one night, I walk into the club I used to maintain a system for one night and the only thing I could hear when I walked through the door was the voice coils on the 18" subs slapping the back plates, I ran up to the booth and the DJ had opened the amp cabinet smiley faced the main EQ and simley faced the board EQ and was in total oblivion as to what he was doing! I took the key to the amp cabinet away from the club manager and disabled the board EQ so that would never happen again! The system being used was 8 Bagend 18" with the ELF system processor and 8 15" JBL 2 ways. Some DJs will find a way to destry any system they use!

BTW: that particular DJ never finished the night and was never allowed to work in that club again!

I guess my whole point is even with the best processor in the world if you don't know the gear you are working with you can still destroy it, if you do know the gear then that processor is not really needed!
 
Yep, once again it comes down to that very nonuser friendly Tannoy digital Crossover. Very complicated to change any settings, that is why dc one is the answer

OK, so the crossover stopped working then!
 
Yeah, well the problem is it's an all digital crossover and we were running a pre-set configuration for 2 15 inch tops and two 18 inch subs, and it was very general, I'm guessing it wasn't doing what it was supposed to , i've always hated the thing, that's why it's my backup, now it'll only be turned on if a dc one fails for some reason. I don't like using anything i don't have complete control over. Should be good now, and we're thinking about getting bigger amps to give us more headroom as well , we were running the 2 subs off of a q1212 and now i'm considering giving them more wattage
 
Yeah, well the problem is it's an all digital crossover and we were running a pre-set configuration for 2 15 inch tops and two 18 inch subs, and it was very general, I'm guessing it wasn't doing what it was supposed to , i've always hated the thing, that's why it's my backup, now it'll only be turned on if a dc one fails for some reason. I don't like using anything i don't have complete control over. Should be good now, and we're thinking about getting bigger amps to give us more headroom as well , we were running the 2 subs off of a q1212 and now i'm considering giving them more wattage

How much equipment do you have now? lol I would love to see a list and some pics. :sqbiggrin:
 
How much equipment do you have now? lol I would love to see a list and some pics. :sqbiggrin:

I do need to break out a camera and take some pics, look for that in the near future.....should start a thread where everyone shows everything they've got, I'm still a long way away from my goals equipment wise, still need to purchase even more Tour X and get my line array system as far as a list goes, i'll need to walk into my storage to make sure it's accurate....i'll do that in the next day or two for ya :)