Can you still get Laptops with XP?

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The Wizard Of OZ

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My Dell that I got a couple of months ago with Vista is doing some things that makes it not reliable for DJ use. I like the laptop and for normal every day computing uses it's fine. For playing music I can't trust it or use it. Some day MS may get Visa corrected and working, but I can't wait for them and really I'm not sure MS will ever solve all the Vista problems, glitches and bugs. My Dell will become our home "desktop" computer or it will go to my daughter the college student and her laptop will go to her brother who just graduated from high school.

So it's back to the drawing board. This time it's got to be XP, even if I have to use a desktop PC. Whatever I get needs to last me until the next OS after vista. All it's going to be used for is to play Karaoke tracks or to DJ. I just looked at Dell's website for a few minutes and didn't find any XP laptops.
 
I could be wrong, but I remember reading a story a month or so ago that said MS was going to stop selling XP licenses for new computers June 15 (I could be wrong on the date, but I know it was in June sometime).
 
I know dell still offers some of their systems with XP and this is how they are getting around MS they are utilizing the reverse licensing clause ms offered to them while vista was first being pushed out. here is how it works. You buy a machine with a vista license which has xp built on it. the license is for vista and can be upgraded at a later time if you wish but once you do the key is no longer valid with xp. Dell found this reverse license clause and has taken full advantage of it. If you are looking to build your self there a few places still out there that will sell you xp. XP now has SP3 as well which I have on my home and gig machines and have seen or had no problems with so far.
 
For playing music I can't trust it or use it.

Vista is more stable at audio playback than XP was.

The audio engine functions, were moved out of kernel, and into user mode. That means that even if your app breaks the audio, it will not take down the OS, like XP can... :)
 
Vista makes crackling noises when I play music, not all the time, but enough to be annoying.

I got a Behringer external sound card. It worked fine at first, then all of a sudden when I plug it into the laptop, music will only play through the laptop speakers. On my XP desktop it works fine.

MP3 files ALWAYS revert to playing on WMP as the default no matter what I do. I have gone in to the control panel and told Vista what program to use and it works for a little while and when I reboot the file associations are back to what they were before. I even told vista not to have WMP be active. Next time I booted WMP was back like a freeloading relative.

I can't use my Beringer USB SC to play or record music when I'm singing my Karaoke tracks because music comes out the laptop speaker during playback instead of going to the mixer. (Update, I just rebooted after having the laptop off over night and had the behringer plugged in when it rebooted, now it IS working, but if you go into the volume control and click on Mixer and then change to a different device the change is ignored).
 
I called the guy who wrote the article about all the problems with using a laptop to play music a moron. I take it back. I'm a moron. He was absolutely right and I publicly apologize.

I'm thinking about getting a dual CD player instead of using a laptop-too many problems and unreliable. I've purchased 2 Vista laptops to use them as music players and I have had problems with both. Friggin Vista is pushing me to Apple or Linux or to use a CD player.
 
More than likely, you bought the laptops pre-loaded with Vista Home Premium or Basic. Pre-loaded ones usually come with all kinds of junk the manufacturer puts on them.

It took me days to remove all the junk off my Acer, and get it working properly. It's not Vista's fault.

Since then, I just buy a retail or OEM copy of Vista Ultimate, and it installs clean, with only one icon, and nothing but the OS running -- works like a champ :)
 
I took great pains to 1. Get rid of all the junk after I got it. 2. Have only vital processes running. 3. Immediately update Vista including SP1. I'm at the end of my rope with vista and went against my gut instinct and better judgment 2 times. Back a few months ago when I got the first laptop I should have gotten one with XP and we wouldn't be having this discussion. My bad. I wanted the latest and greatest, I wanted to be current, I wanted a new laptop. The latest and greatest isn't that great. Rockit may work great on Vista, but Rockit doesn't do Karaoke and that's the primary thing that I need. arrrrgggghhhhh
 
What software are you having the problems with Wiz?

Still sounds to me like you have a rogue program running -- maybe iTunes, or some other junk like that. They can wreak havoc on many audio apps, and do the sorts of things you mentioned.
 
I would never put itunes on one of my computers. I tried it a couple of years back and quickly took it off that computer.

Right now I'm listening to music using a program called Karafun, it's a Karaoke program, but it will play MP3 files no problem. You can download it for free. I'm using it at home to practice my singing. It has both pitch and tempo control for Karaoke files.

I still need a professional Karaoke program for when I go out and perform though. I was going to buy the Powerkaraoke Pro KJ hosting program, it's $99, but it doesn't have tempo control. It has pitch control, but I need to be able to change the tempo on a lot of songs I sing. I need both pitch and tempo control.

Since the Behringer SC inexplicably started working again I'm not getting the crackling anymore so it may be some incompatibility between Vista and the internal Sigma tel sound card or Sigma tel codec, heck the internal SC may be just software for all I know.

But the only thing that explains the file association reverting back over and over after being changed is Vista. You can tell Vista that you want MP3, WMA, wave etc. to be associated with a certain program and it will always revert back to WMP. I've done everything possible except deleting WMP. I've been using a player called Quintessential player that I like a lot in addition to the Karafun program, but if you just click on an MP3 file WMP will launch and start playing the song. I really wish Rockit would play Karaoke files, you could pick up a lot of business. Rockit looks awesome, I just went to your web site a little while ago.

I tried winamp when I first got the Dell laptop and it was unstable and crashed so I immediately deleted it. The Karaoke program that Jokerswild uses, autokdj is a winamp add on and I was using it on my XP desktop before I got the most recent Vista laptop.

I bought the PCDJ blue and the Karaoke module on Amazon.com and had lots of problems with that when I had my toshiba laptop a few months ago. I finally went to their offices here in Clearwater and they fixed it. when I got the Dell laptp PCDJ blue and the Karaoke companion program wouldn't install on the Dell either. I contacted their technical support and after a few emails back and forth they gave up trying to figure out what was wrong and just stopped responding to any emails. I've been thinking about going to their offices and try to get them to install the PCDJ Blue and the Karaoke program on the Dell, but that's a hassle. I wouldn't recommend PCDJ to anyone based on my experiences with the installation problems and their terrible technical support.
 
I bought the PCDJ blue and the Karaoke module on Amazon.com and had lots of problems with that when I had my toshiba laptop a few months ago. I finally went to their offices here in Clearwater and they fixed it. when I got the Dell laptp PCDJ blue and the Karaoke companion program wouldn't install on the Dell either. I contacted their technical support and after a few emails back and forth they gave up trying to figure out what was wrong and just stopped responding to any emails. I've been thinking about going to their offices and try to get them to install the PCDJ Blue and the Karaoke program on the Dell, but that's a hassle. I wouldn't recommend PCDJ to anyone based on my experiences with the installation problems and their terrible technical support.

I had a bad run in with a PCDJ tech guy too. The guy was rude and acted like I was wasting his time. A fellow DJ friend of mine had a problem with the same guy. Nice customer service.
 
Since the Behringer SC inexplicably started working again I'm not getting the crackling anymore so it may be some incompatibility between Vista and the internal Sigma tel sound card or Sigma tel codec, heck the internal SC may be just software for all I know.

Might be something just as simple as a bad USB plug or socket, or loose connection that is causing the crackling...


Can't help ya with the file extension issue, since I never bother with them. I just use whatever browser is built into whatever software I'm using, or right click, and Open With.


I really wish Rockit would play Karaoke files, you could pick up a lot of business. Rockit looks awesome, I just went to your web site a little while ago.

Then I'd have to deal with you karaoke folks throwing mics and stuff at me, or listen to you sing over the phone :sqlaugh:
 
I had a bad run in with a PCDJ tech guy too. The guy was rude and acted like I was wasting his time. A fellow DJ friend of mine had a problem with the same guy. Nice customer service.

If you really want to have fun -- call them up and mention my name, or Rockit -- they will undoubtedly hang up on you.

They don't seem to like me for some reason... :sqconfused: :sqlaugh:
 
Well, for a few more days you can still get a laptop from Dell with XP on it.
There are a couple of models that you can get with XP home and for an additional $99 you can upgrade to XP Pro.

So what's the diff? I've always used XP Pro. Is it worth the extra C note?
 
Well, for a few more days you can still get a laptop from Dell with XP on it.
There are a couple of models that you can get with XP home and for an additional $99 you can upgrade to XP Pro.

So what's the diff? I've always used XP Pro. Is it worth the extra C note?

If you don't know -- then no ;)

Mostly networking features in Pro. They are identical OS's, just Pro has more features turned on (or should I say, Home has features turned off).

BTW, XP will still be available through OEM retailers. MS just won't sell to consumers anymore. They want to get everybody on board Vista, because the next few generations of OS, will require many of the neat things that Vista has. Almost all new software is being written for Vista -- so don't pin yer hopes on using XP for much longer...
 
Almost all new software is being written for Vista -- so don't pin yer hopes on using XP for much longer...

I can not think of one piece of software I need. I am being serious with that statement. Thanks to a fellow member here, I have the only version of Office I need, I am still using (and will forever use) WMP10, and IE.

Those are honestly the only things I use ever.

I am not about to have my operating system suck up 15gb of memory and so much RAM.

MS can kiss my, well you know, if it thinks it is going to "force" me to "upgrade" (more like downgrade) to Vista.
 
Well, then I can just get the laptop with XP Home and see what's what. If I need what Pro has then I can just buy an OEM copy for around $100 later. As far as me pinning my hopes on XP, I just need something that works for the next lets say two years or so and then on to the next thing. I have no reason to be against Vista. If it worked for me I would use it and just shuffle along quietly. I just need tools that work. I don't care how they work or who makes them, I just want to be able to do what I need to do without problems or interruptions.