Bose L1 question

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What Kevin has done is adjusted the system to his own personal liking wisely using the remote as opposed to his mixer's eq or other pre-L1 enhancement processor.

The RM1 (wired remote) is an umbilical cord into the DSP (digital signal processor) of the power stand.

It has two cord inputs; one on the top and another on the bottom. A user may connect the remote cable to one input or the other...not both.

When all of the dials on the remote are set at the 12 o'clock position, it is the default setting of the DSP on the power stand. At this setting, the remote is invisible to the ear and to the power stand.

Channel One and Channel Two three band eq settings (NOTATION: an EQ setting is engineered differently than a PRESET setting) is flat and their trims (volume level) is 50% of wide open. The bottom knob is total system master volume control effecting all input channels [1, 2 ,3 and 4] and is also default set at 50% of total system volume.

The wired remote can be plugged into the power stand and that stand adjusted to desired levels. As long as that power stand remains on, those settings are held even if the remote is disconnected unless manually changed but once the remote is removed and the power stand is turned off, all reverts to default (12 o'clock).

There are a few more tips and tricks I don't have time to get to in this post but will later. Headed to Charlotte, NC in 30 minutes.

I don't use the wired remote because the clarity and oomph from my system based on the combination of media source and sound card/drivers, the facilities where I play most frequently and the type of events I do, preclude the need for any additional need to jack up or fool with the eq.

Apparently I need to beef up my customer training procedures with the wired remote and I apologize if it's purpose was not properly presented and/or detailed.
 
Craig Robinson said:
When I got my Bose L1 back in March Cap told me that he hasn't used his remote in over three years, so I have never used mine. I'm going to try it this weekend, though.
Do you set your trim level at zero and just use the remote volume? How do you set your mixer master volume?
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CRaig on the remote the gain/trim and the master is set at 12 0'clock. the remote bass and highs at 3 o'clock My dj mixer eq are flat .I control the volume from the master on the mixer. Let me tell you I even tryed a lil eq from the dj mixer and it was great. I keep the gain on my mixer w/ all the lights in the green.


If u want a thumpen crystal clear sound try it I dare u. I caint wait till my next gig. Its a hole new system when setup this way. truley amazing. Remember to keep all gains in the green on dj mixer. Good luck

I must admitt I found out about using the remote from a post on the probose.com forum for djs and kjs the post name is lurker revealed by Ken Petersen I think all bose oooos should read its long but well worth the time.

Cap thanks for all your advice. I am greatful for u sharing your knowledge w/ us bose ooooos. I feel very confident in my bose L1 system I think they can know handel any event large or small. I love the remote eq it makes the speaker sound like a champ!!!!

I just gave u bose ooos the key to great off the hook/chain bumpin clear sound from the bose pas and not one thank u. smile

Chuck The DJ said:
I use my remote,,,, there is no reason to even plug it in if you are just going to leave them flat... It's the same...

I pump up my bass with them, sometimes maybe I'll pop up the highs depending on where I am using them... I always leave them plugged in because you never know... If I am doing a wedding that turns into a night of big band, I would set it differently than if the night turned into hip hop.....
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I caint imagine runing this system w/ out the remote. I so happy to hear that u use the remote too . I thought I was doing something wrong. Know I can STop worrying about sweet 16 party's or venues that require that extra bass because I have a kick ass system w/8 b1s and two packlites and 2 L1s. I think im ready for any event now that i can control the sound w/ the remote.

Ps thanks for all the help and pics you are my idol. After checking out a lot of your posts you are one of the reasons I purchased the pas. The pic's of all the bikini's is what sold me on the bose
 
One thing cap told me is that if you are running two L1's even though the remotes look alike sometimes they don't behave the same which is why he advocates set it and remove the remote..... in other words when you first set your rig up for the gig, each gig, set your levels with one remote on one of the L1's then simply unplug it and plug it into the next L1 so that the settings would be the same from EQ to max sound levels.... then if you need more umph durring the show up the trim pots on the stands instead of thru the remote....

Unity Gain: http://www.rane.com/note124.html

Now typically as I understand Unity Gain in terms of your mixer is when your sliders are at 0 they usually start at a -XX goto 0 then continue to +12 at least that's how mine work.... and when I push my sliders to 0 or what the manufacturer is calling Unity Gain that's where I set mine when setting up my bose at a gig since this will be the highest I turn my mixer up to.... doing this "top out" if you will prevents me from sending my Bose or any other outboard gear into clipping or extended clipping.... and avoids possible sound issues.

So with my mixer at "unity" I mess with my Bose remote until I get the best possible and loudest possible sound out of it.... I usually play a variety of music from classical to hip-hop and get the best balance I can with a flat EQ both from the Bose and my Mixer..... then I disconnect the remote and from that point on I use my mixer's EQ to fine tune things durring the evening.

If I need more umph then I turn the trims up on the powerstand... typically I have them in the 3 o'clock or "6" position sometimes I take it to 8 but have never needed to take it to 12.... so far anyway.

Just remember I'm using just 1 L1/2 B1 for my shows... also bear in mind that I use a virtual mixer and am able to direct my program to one output and into one input on the L1 and can also direct my microphones to a separate output and into the second input on the powerstand... so I'm using Preset 05 (i think that's the Shure Preset) for the Microphones and then Preset 58 for the program music.... all separated which I have found to give me the best sound over running both the program and mics into one channel on the power stand usning preset 58 only. If you are able to separate like this I'd highly recommend do it even if it means 4 sets of cables to get 'er done.
 
Thanks Jokerswild for sharing your setup specs w/ this bose o. I never use the powerstand to raise my vol the gain stays at 0. I raise my vol from a dj mixer master slider. Im glad that works for you joker. I think u should use the remote to alter the digital sound processer of the L1 like Cap has stated in this post. Just compare it .
 
kevwebny said:
Thanks Jokerswild for sharing your setup specs w/ this bose o. I never use the powerstand to raise my vol the gain stays at 0. I raise my vol from a dj mixer master slider. Im glad that works for you joker. I think u should use the remote to alter the digital sound processer of the L1 like Cap has stated in this post. Just compare it .
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The only time I mess with the powerstand setting as far as volume goes is when my mixer is maxed out and I want more than what I initial set the limit to when I set up for each gig.... each room is different and especially empty as compared to full....

As for the remote I set the EQ's at the start of my setup procedure based on each venue's specific sound characteristics this way when I do max out volume or even add more volume via the stand it sounds good.... no matter what. I then tweak my mixer's EQ for best sound based on musical style.

I never touch the power stands trim pots unless I need more volume. Typically my initial setup is enough.

If in the middle of the show I plug my remote back into the stand it will immediately override any settings I had and I don't want that.... I prefer to tweak at the mixer level if I feel it needs it.... so far I've run my mixer flat with no need to tweak after the gig starts.
 
BTW: U is a letter, not a word! ;) :D
 
Kev You are in need of 8 Subs?

Wow that and your L1s will no longer be compact for load in etc. I was considering the Bose for the past 2 yrs but if I need that many subs to make it do what I will need much like your needs . I will just have to settle for the Dyncord three piece setup Im looking into currently. Im glad however that its what the doctor ordered for you as All our Bozo's are happy as well.
kevwebny said:
. I thought I was doing something wrong. Know I can STop worrying about sweet 16 party's or venues that require that extra bass because I have a kick ass system w/8 b1s and two packlites and 2 L1s. I think im ready for any event now that i can control the sound w/ the remote.
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Jon: Just a friendly reminder. From the outset it has been repeatedly stated that the L1 system is not for everyone.

Every DJ has a sound they wish to achieve based on their own hearing spectrum, what they wish the audience to experience, and then evaluate the margin of acceptance between the two.

The assumption that Cam's style, Kevin's style, Rob's style, or my style is all the same and therefore is the yardstick by which to measure your potential experience doesn't do the research any justice but does lend itself to a predisposed judgmental reasoning.

The only true way to determine if the L1 or the Dynacords will be best for you is to buy them both, give it your best trial in your own real world situation, then return the system that doesn't do it for you and get your money back.

I also have the 8 B1, 4 L1, 2 PackLite system. I've used the 2 L1, 8 B1, 2 PackLite system once in two years since owning the PackLites. In my estimation, to my ears and to the 450 kids at this Senior Prom, it was way overkill. Turned them both off after about an hour.

I hang on to them because, like many owners, I keep waiting for the time when I reach the limits of the dual L1 quad B1 system and will decisively need more umph for the types of events (90% weddings in the 150-300 person range). So far, not yet, but that's just one owners/users assessment.
 
Cap Capello said:
Jon: Just a friendly reminder. From the outset it has been repeatedly stated that the L1 system is not for everyone.

Every DJ has a sound they wish to achieve based on their own hearing spectrum, what they wish the audience to experience, and then evaluate the margin of acceptance between the two.

The assumption that Cam's style, Kevin's style, Rob's style, or my style is all the same and therefore is the yardstick by which to measure your potential experience doesn't do the research any justice but does lend itself to a predisposed judgmental reasoning.

The only true way to determine if the L1 or the Dynacords will be best for you is to buy them both, give it your best trial in your own real world situation, then return the system that doesn't do it for you and get your money back.

I also have the 8 B1, 4 L1, 2 PackLite system. I've used the 2 L1, 8 B1, 2 PackLite system once in two years since owning the PackLites. In my estimation, to my ears and to the 450 kids at this Senior Prom, it was way overkill. Turned them both off after about an hour.

I hang on to them because, like many owners, I keep waiting for the time when I reach the limits of the dual L1 quad B1 system and will decisively need more umph for the types of events (90% weddings in the 150-300 person range). So far, not yet, but that's just one owners/users assessment.
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Isn't it cumbersome for you to have to tote around 8 sub boxes? I've seen them at my local GC but never picked them up. I don't see how you can get substantial bass from such a small package. I would THINK they'd vibrate all over the place and sound empty/hollow.

I've also noticed most people chose the B1 route over getting an aftermarket-traditional powered sub. I assume the B1s are simply a better match and aftermarket stuff may be overpowering.

With the 8B1's, is the bass the type you can 'feel' or more on the 'hear' side?
 
Gaffle said:
Isn't it cumbersome for you to have to tote around 8 sub boxes? I've seen them at my local GC but never picked them up. I don't see how you can get substantial bass from such a small package. I would THINK they'd vibrate all over the place and sound empty/hollow.

I've also noticed most people chose the B1 route over getting an aftermarket-traditional powered sub. I assume the B1s are simply a better match and aftermarket stuff may be overpowering.

With the 8B1's, is the bass the type you can 'feel' or more on the 'hear' side?
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The B1's are very light weight and put out a lot of bass.... now is it the blow your mullet back type of bass, no. If you're looking for chest pounding bass then Bose is not your system... go with EV or something like that. But, if clean clear sound with bass that is pleasurable to the ear then Bose is the system for you.

You can feel the rumble of bass from even a 1 L1 and 2 B1 combo like I use. Believe me it's enough sound. I used this configuration for a 240 guest wedding reception and it sounded great! Certainly not a hollow sounding system.

Yes, they do vibrate and as I found out on a linoleum floor it is wise to place a mat under them to keep them in place.

Key thing is the Bose is a different animal compared to standard speaker systems.... and may not be for you. I say that based on the posts I have read by you.

Don't go by a Guitar Center demo they haven't a clue as to proper setup of the Bose all they know how to do is plug it in. Trust me on this, even though my wife was impressed with the one we demo'd at GC. I wasn't truly impressed until I got my own. The demo just allowed my wife a taste and since she liked it I was allowed to buy one.... Cap is the man to goto.
 
Cap thanks for clarifying. I've used the Bose on many occasions as you know and for several situations it hads worked wonderfully for me and there is no questioning the clean sound and unique dispersion. However there are lots of Mullets here in BC. I will be buying the Dynacord and trust my professional ear in setting the system per each different room that I play in.

Cap you know my friendship for you is sincere and I must jokingly say this, ''Would a kid at a SENIORS prom be around 62''?
 
Jon Tuck said:
Wow that and your L1s will no longer be compact for load in etc. I was considering the Bose for the past 2 yrs but if I need that many subs to make it do what I will need much like your needs . I will just have to settle for the Dyncord three piece setup Im looking into currently. Im glad however that its what the doctor ordered for you as All our Bozo's are happy as well.
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I first orderd from CAP the L1 w/2B1s and I thought that was good. Then after I had the sytem for a week or so I called Cap and put in a order for the 2nd L1 and 6 B1's and 2 packlites. bose financed the whole thing w/ there card so I thought I would give this monster setup a 45 day trial. If i didnt like it I could send it back. After the update of preset 58 I thought the system was good. After using the remotes for this system it gives the user control of the DSP to tailor the sound. I probably will not use all 8b1's all the time. After experienceing all 8b1's w/ this system I just cant send them back. The bass is tight and even booming and chest pounding if u want it.

If the system is run w/ the 4 b1's it is still a great system. The b1'S weigh around 28 pounds so they are very portable vs a 18 inc powered sub around 90 lbs. It takes a lil longer time to set up 8 b1's and tear down but its worth it. there is no strain on the back. With 8 b1s i am ready for anything. Do I need all 8 maybe not. I think I might Call CAP an order two more L1's to go w/ my extra B1's.

MY old system will soon be for sale two powerd jbl eon g2's and three jbl jrx 18 inch powerd subs.

Gaffle said:
Isn't it cumbersome for you to have to tote around 8 sub boxes? I've seen them at my local GC but never picked them up. I don't see how you can get substantial bass from such a small package. I would THINK they'd vibrate all over the place and sound empty/hollow.

I've also noticed most people chose the B1 route over getting an aftermarket-traditional powered sub. I assume the B1s are simply a better match and aftermarket stuff may be overpowering.

With the 8B1's, is the bass the type you can 'feel' or more on the 'hear' side?
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Great system try it for 45 days I dare you.

jokerswild said:
The B1's are very light weight and put out a lot of bass.... now is it the blow your mullet back type of bass, no. If you're looking for chest pounding bass then Bose is not your system... go with EV or something like that. But, if clean clear sound with bass that is pleasurable to the ear then Bose is the system for you.

You can feel the rumble of bass from even a 1 L1 and 2 B1 combo like I use. Believe me it's enough sound. I used this configuration for a 240 guest wedding reception and it sounded great! Certainly not a hollow sounding system.

Yes, they do vibrate and as I found out on a linoleum floor it is wise to place a mat under them to keep them in place.

Key thing is the Bose is a different animal compared to standard speaker systems.... and may not be for you. I say that based on the posts I have read by you.

Don't go by a Guitar Center demo they haven't a clue as to proper setup of the Bose all they know how to do is plug it in. Trust me on this, even though my wife was impressed with the one we demo'd at GC. I wasn't truly impressed until I got my own. The demo just allowed my wife a taste and since she liked it I was allowed to buy one.... Cap is the man to goto.
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JOKERSWILD If u get the 2nd L1 with two more B1's AND set your gains properly and update preset 58 AND USE THE REMOTE TO TO TAILOR YOUR SOUND I THINK U WILL BE SUPRISED HOW MUCH MORE SOUND THE PAS CAN DELIVER:sqbiggrin: THUMPING BOOMING BASS IS WHAT IT WILL PROVIDE IF NEEDED. Just order it and try for your self 45 day risk free.
 
Im happy so many folks have found use for one of our distinguished friends and Sponsors Cap Capello the Ambassador's wares. Well one of them Johnny claims equal title as CEO Ambassadors Ent. Correct me Johnny Im lazy lol.
 
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