70% of something is better than...

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But as for the other burning issue:

Well, do you have a website? I wanna compare it to the one I had because "Dude" knows it all and perhaps I could learn how to make more money by studying his website.
 
John Allo,

Sorry bud...

Not gonna take the bait. This thread has more to offer.

It is unfortunate that you mis-read my post that initiated your current hateful responses.


Jon Tuck, MODS et al; this thread is in your hands now.
 
Dude, if I wanted to post hateful responses, I'd copy and paste anything from DailyKos or MoveOn.org.

What are you so afraid of? Where's your website, son? I'd like to study it to see if I can learn from it. I'd like to increase my profits and it's obvious that you are the know-it-all in this area, but why are you being so secretive about your website?

I live in Massachusetts. I've retired. I have no interest in Fargo, other than to say I enjoyed the movie of the same name.

I am not competition for you. But I am interested in the way you present yourself to potential customers, as I might be able to learn and improve in this area.

Come on, Dude. Show me the website!!
 
Isn't this the same Dude Walker who implied that DJs who lower prices are "economic terrorists?"

Terrorists??

All I want is to become a more educated business person and learn from this person and since I have no trips to Fargo planned, the best way is to sit at the feet of his website and learn.

But alas, there is no website with which to surf.
 
John:

OK, I'll play...

Dude's company is "Dude Walker's Music On Wheels". He has plenty of listings on advertisement sites but there seems to be no website.

Interesting that in today's modern web based society there are still a few DJs that don't have a site and seem to do very well.
 
John,

Curious.

Because Dude doesn't have a website. Hi is no longer real??

I don't have a marketing dvd? Does that make me not real?

I haven't published a book, not real??

No yellow page ad???

What are the requirements to comment and have credibility??
 
Dan:

All I want is to learn more from someone who is far more intelligent than I.

But alas, there is no website for which to glean such knowledge. He is no doubt a real person, but one just wonders why the secrecy on the web, where even the lowliest of bottom feeders operating at the poverty level have a website, but not an industry guru, the "guilty conscience" of it, if you will.

It's just odd, that's all.
 
Ok.

Just trying to figure out where you were comming from, and or what your point was that you were attempting to make.

If anything, I am astounded that a business such as ours can survive at all with out a web presence. Somehow, Music on Wheels still exists.

IMO that says a lot.
 
Dan:

I had so many people ask me about the Bubble Parties that I finally saw the light and committed pen to paper and got it all written down.

It's been well received and is much easier to transfer the info from me to the interested other people.

It's just curious as to why someone so knowledgeable, and such an industry leader would not have any type of web presence, given the popularity of interactive options for the customer. (DJ Intelligence type stuff).
 
Aww... you guys. :D

Dan's recent comments got me thinking. He's right to mention that one can only cut so much before one has no flavor left.

Truth is, many Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that we do this or that because "that's the way we've always done it." Let's make a thousand widgets. If it don't sell for five, discount it to four and sweeten the pot with incentives.

That's putting the proverbial cart before the hoss. It doesn't work, my friends.

In 1902, Henry Ford said something to the effect of the more often something is handled, the more your costs increase. The reader may disagree with Ford's politics at the time but his manufacturing savvy can't be dismissed. The mile-long Model T production lines are no longer with us but Ford's concepts of mass production and constant improvement remain to this day.

A new Cadillac cost the equivalent of five years' take home wages for the average American worker in 1902. Ford figured out how to mass produce motor vehicles, thus reducing the cost. It wasn't a Cadillac... but people could afford to buy it.

Henry Ford became extremely wealthy by paying others to mass produce cars that people wanted. A comparison to the DJ biz may be made to multi-ops that pay employees to manage several shows over a weekend, thus increasing profits all around. The sole proprietor (Cadillac) may not be able to sell at Ford prices because only one show may be managed (one car built) at any given time.

After WWII ended, we dismissed the practices of lean manufacturing and value added disciplines. That was a huge mistake and we're still feeling the repercussions from it. It almost killed Harley Davidson when AMF owned the brand.

Lean manufacturing is the practice of not making something until someone wants it. What good is a warehouse filled with product if it isn't selling? All your money is tied up in inventory with the hopes that someone will buy it.

Value added can involve many things but it simply means any business decision that will enhance the customer's willingness to pay for it. Often, non value added outranks value added. An example of non value added: Paying a helper to stand around during a 4 hour show. Paying someone to do nothing does nothing to add value for the customer.

If memory serves, this thread started out as a debate about taking less to move more inventory (our time). :)
 
All I want is to learn more from someone who is far more intelligent than I.
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Damn John, all ya had to do was call :sqlaugh: :sqwink:


I have an answer for any question under the sun -- not sure if they're right, but I'll come up with something... ;)
 
Fred,

Interresting.

Are you suggesting different "packages" that truly are different levels of value? Curious as to the direction you mean, and you idea of value packages.

Or are you talking a "base rate" and a "contractor based" package.

For example.

Love story.
Personalized introductions.
adanced lighting.
Face to face meetings vs computer planning (dj intelligence, gigbuilder)

All would be add on's of various combinations for different prices. (such as car dealers do.)

I totally agree that a person standing around not helping is, or could be fat. But if that person is running the board while your engaged with the crowd could be true value added. Depends on what "the other" is doing. Covering a "potty break" isn't worth an extra 100 for the b/g. That is fat.
 
Thanks, Dan.

Package offerings are up to the company owner to decide. No one can guide your business better than your customers. You know what your customers want moreso than anyone.

My comments simply reflect a manufacturing point of view. This has been bread and butter for most of my life. Feel free to take what you can use and disregard the rest. :)

In my experience, brides tend to have their own ideas about how they'd like their receptions to be done. Whether it's a love story, Cinderella wedding or whatnot, we (as reception entertainers) are expected to answer the call.

While I agree that the restroom break is a human necessity, I also happen to think that a coworker, spouse etc should be able to pinch hit when needed. When not needed, the assistant should be adding value during the show. :)
 
Flyingdjdan said:
The back door principle (IMO) is a big contribution to the death of jobs and America itself.
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Dan, I'm not sure if you are referring to my Back End Principle ( generating and widening your profit margin - hence adding flexibility to pricing-through certain purchasing and operating practices). If so, I don't understand how the statement applies. If you're speaking of something else...um, never mind? :sqembarrassed:
 
JoeChartreuse said:
Dan, I'm not sure if you are referring to my Back End Principle ( generating and widening your profit margin - hence adding flexibility to pricing-through certain purchasing and operating practices). If so, I don't understand how the statement applies. If you're speaking of something else...um, never mind? :sqembarrassed:
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Shall we say, major typographical error!??!!:sqembarrassed:

Well, one could say the back "door" principle is ruining the morals of America. (But that really wasn't what I was talking about). Thanks for catching that... no... bringing that up...no... ah,... forget it.:sqlaugh:

Seriously, With the back end principle, I wonder the true effectiveness the way it is being excerisized today.

Why is it that we, the consumer or the employee are always the "back end" of the cut?

Quality, service, benifits, and jobs. These are the ways business are using the principle today. Be honest in what and how your implimenting, and how "big" business is using it. How does the end consumer benefit at all?

Quality?

Clothing don't last more than a few washings now before shrinking, fading, or falling apart. Most "products" are made to be disposable, not repairable. Cars are costing almost as much as our parents (and some of us) paid for the home they first purchased. Yet, recalls everyday for "bad" this and that. Buy a bad product? It often costs more in gas to take the thing back to the store
than what it cost to buy in the first place.

Service?

Very few businesses even know what that means; let alone how to give it. Go thru 10 minutes of Push 1 for english, 2 for lies, 3 for bull, 4 for... Finally get to a live person? You can't understand a damn thing they say as they are in another country!

Recently had satellite tv installed. Two recievers, 4 tv's in different rooms. I was at work. Immigrant (polish) workers installed and "attempted" to tell wife (non technical mind) how to operate. They didn't mount the satellite properly to the roof. Of 4 screws only two are mounted to a good "hold". 2 are just into the shingles. 1 of the boxes isn't placed where a phone jack is. I called their customer service line and complained. They will come out and fix, as long as I pay 100.00 for them to reinstall the job that wasn't done right in the first place.

I specifically asked what happened to customer service? She said "You should have double checked when they were there." RIGHT. I'm going to send my wife up on the roof to inspect their work??? WTF?

Benifits.

Service contracts, extended warranties, we all now must pay "extra" for. What good is buying a "cheap tv" if we have to pay extra $$ for the warranty? Oops? Not so cheap now. But we never think that way. $800.00 for the quad core computer. Steal? No, not with another $300.00 for the warranty.

Employee benifits are also being slashed. We pay more for health care insurance, company paid retirement is gone. Hell even so called "safe" union benifits are being renegotiated just to keep the company in business. Most of us can't even afford to take a vacation, let alone take our vacation days. (how many of you have turned them in for pay???)

Jobs.

Do I really need to explain? (I could go on and on about this.)

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The back end principle can be a good method to use to make some business decisions. It is not a effective way to run a business.
 
Fred Stewart said:
After WWII ended, we dismissed the practices of lean manufacturing and value added disciplines. That was a huge mistake and we're still feeling the repercussions from it. It almost killed Harley Davidson when AMF owned the brand.

Lean manufacturing is the practice of not making something until someone wants it. What good is a warehouse filled with product if it isn't selling? All your money is tied up in inventory with the hopes that someone will buy it.
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Actually, the "think lean" principle, over-applied, is probably the largest major economics bomb we have faced, at least as far as non-perishable items. I have spent most of my adult life in the electronics field. 20 years of THAT was spent running a franchised distributorship of electronic components ( chips, resistors, capacitors, diodes, switches, etc...) This business is now virtually obsolete in the U.S., except for the surplus end. After the downturn of '98, The major players, such as Vishay( the owners of most of the labels like Sprague, Roederstein, Philips, etc.), Evox-Rifa, Okaya, AVX, etc... decided to "run lean". What resulted was, after inventory diminished, a 12 to 26 week lead time for product. Small mfrs. went to local "boutique" component companies with shorter lead times, but had to pay high premiums that virtually wiped out their profit.

Larger mfrs. banded together, and went directly to places like China and El Salvador, and had components made to spec direct ( bypassing distribution AND the name brands). Since these were dedicated factories the lead time was much shortened- mainly to time in transit. Solution? Manufacture where the parts were being made- out of the U.S. More money bypassing our economy. These factories also had some spare time, so they began selling overruns thru sales offices in the U.S., offering quicker lead times and much lower pricing then the "name" brands, and virtually wiping out the small U.S. makers being used by small mfrs.

Add to that new lead-free manufacturing laws that caught the majors with their pants down, and their factories without enough people or materials. Lead times up to a YEAR, and companies with no way of producing devices due to lack of supply- and this is just the electronics industry.

Though a deciple of the back end principle, there is such a thing as over-doing it, and we did. In terms of worldwide manufacturing, the U.S now produces virtually nothing, and our economy reflects it. The problem is, the only ways that I can think of to remedy the situation would make things a whole lot worse for quite a while. The only exception would be the conception of a whole new technology. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened since around 1990, where it used to happen every decade. I wonder if our great minds have also sold themselves overseas.........
 
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