The 20 new singers problem....

[toqer]

Ok time for some deep philosophical karaoke discussion here. I'm making this thread cause it sort of came up in another one.

You have 10 singers in rotation that have already sang once or twice in the evening. 20 new singers come in. 20 absolutely unique, new, non dueting singers. At 3 minutes a song, they instantly cause your rotation to grow by an hour plus the extra 30 minutes your rotation was for your original 10.

With an hour and 30 minute minimum rotation, how do you handle it? How do you keep your hands from pulling out your hair explaining to every complainer how rotation works, why the wait is so long etc.

Just to give you guys an idea of the insanity of which i'm speaking, here is tonights rotation.

 

[jokerswild]

Toqer,

This is where the max wait time makes sense to me... might not to others but when you get a sudden dump of new singers with our new singer priority in place the singers that have sung already in previous rounds can get annoyed... altho these new singers might not get entered into the queue all at once and some of them might be interleaved with older singers... you still have the problem of them being bumped down in the current rotations... so by having say a 30-45 max wait time on those that have sung before they get bumped up before some of the noobs... they'll still complaing but o well.

 

[kayleigh]

Sorry too late to the conversation, but I'll butt in anyway.

For me, it kinda depends upon what time they show up. I've had rotations grow at 10pm. I live with it and manage it. Two "new" singers, one from "the rotation." 11pm: one "new" singer, one or two from "the rotation" (depending on the ratio). Midnight to 1:00am: it depends upon your philosophy. Thank the new singer for showing up, or the singers who have been there all night, spending their money and waiting patiently to sing their next song? Me? I favor the ones who have waited around (again, depending on the ratio), one "new" singer to two or three from "the rotation." (That's my market and my regulars who know I'll still try to fit in a new singer.) After 1:00am? (I have a 1:30am-2:00am cut-off due to MN law and bar time.) All bets are off unless the night is D-E-A-D.

I don't have a regular gig. I love AutOKJ to help me manage my library, but if I can't sense the singer/crowd/bar mood, and balance it accordingly, I shouldn't be hosting karaoke.

 

[DJ Cam]

I find the real problem is that the average song is 5 min not 3 min.

When I get 20 new singers I take a music break and get a beer because I know the night is going to be hell.

My rotation starts every night with about 6 singers. I will do 2 rotations, as I begin to hit the 3rd I will get about 10 new singers. When I get though the 3rd rotation some people will leave because by then it's after 12.

It all just depends, you can't make everyone happy. The real trick to to have a set way of doing things and do it that way all the time.

My new singers go to the end of the active rotation if it's 1 song cool, if it's 15 they wait a while. No singer that has sang will sing until all the new singers have had a turn. After 12:30am is exception, generally I take no new singers, but depends on the number of singers. Duets count as a turn for both people.

 

[JoeChartreuse]

1) It all just depends, you can't make everyone happy. The real trick to to have a set way of doing things and do it that way all the time.

2)My new singers go to the end of the active rotation if it's 1 song cool, if it's 15 they wait a while. No singer that has sang will sing until all the new singers have had a turn. After 12:30am is exception, generally I take no new singers, but depends on the number of singers. Duets count as a turn for both people.

1) AMEN!

2) How do you insert the new singers into the rotation?

 

[DJ Cam]

Joe

As I stated they go to the end of the active rotation.



1 Mike
2 Bob ----- Currently Singing
3 Bill
4 Jesse
5 Stacy
6 Michelle
7 Dan
8 Brian



10 New singers walk in and Hand me Slips

They all would go after Brian and #1 Mike has to wait for all new singers to finish. As long as the rotation is not back to #1 I will keep adding new singers. The moment I start #1 new singers go to the end of the list.

 

[Guest]

Very simple, the highest bidder moves to the front. Cash only.

 

[JoeChartreuse]

Joe

As I stated they go to the end of the active rotation.



1 Mike
2 Bob ----- Currently Singing
3 Bill
4 Jesse
5 Stacy
6 Michelle
7 Dan
8 Brian



10 New singers walk in and Hand me Slips

They all would go after Brian and #1 Mike has to wait for all new singers to finish. As long as the rotation is not back to #1 I will keep adding new singers. The moment I start #1 new singers go to the end of the list.

Gotcha. We're on the same page. There are many who will find a way to insert new singers INTO a currently active round, and I don't believe in this. If singers come in late they've probably been drinking and spending elsewhere earlier. I see no reason to show favoritism to new singers over regs who have been there from the beginning. Like you, I just add them to the end of the rotation. Again, my regs know this, and come in early. They also appreciate it. Want more air time? come in earlier. I might add that the venue owners appreciate it too.

 

[JoeChartreuse]

Very simple, the highest bidder moves to the front. Cash only.

Sorry, but I don't have an Asian venue. While that's the way to go there, it's a no-no in my venues.