Valerie, White Balancing & Calibrating are necessary... Is it just these cameras are bad at it and cumbersome?
[Split] Camera Discussion
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Travis
Yes, white balance is a necessary evil, however, tube cameras are their own special beast. They require warm up time, and even then can vary throughout a day. More tedious than necessary. Now, there are many things about these cameras that we do like. I'm not sure how much it would cost to have them tuned up, but they just aren't a spectacular camera. They were, in their day, a very good camera. Still are in many ways. We will probably try to buy a couple cameras that can utilize the lenses and breakout controls we already have.
Do you have any inside tips or information on these or others? Perhaps we aren't giving these cams enough credit, and they would perform adequately if tuned back to factory spec?
Yes, white balance is a necessary evil, however, tube cameras are their own special beast. They require warm up time, and even then can vary throughout a day. More tedious than necessary. Now, there are many things about these cameras that we do like. I'm not sure how much it would cost to have them tuned up, but they just aren't a spectacular camera. They were, in their day, a very good camera. Still are in many ways. We will probably try to buy a couple cameras that can utilize the lenses and breakout controls we already have.
Do you have any inside tips or information on these or others? Perhaps we aren't giving these cams enough credit, and they would perform adequately if tuned back to factory spec?
If you went to NAB you would have saw the new "Red 4K Film Camera" hehe that's a little overpriced for anybody IMO.
Seriously though, I always thought Canon's XL1 XL2 GL1&2 cameras had good low light handling before you had to gain up on them.
I honestly never used Tube Cameras before, and might be showing my age saying I have never heard of em before. (However will know about em tonight thanks to wikipedia)
Edit: Brain Fart, way early this morning... I remember those cameras!!! Old Old Timey. Back in news production to do green screen they just removed the "Green" Tube to figure out how to superimpose the weather graphics on. Those were the days of true television pioneers!
Seriously though, I always thought Canon's XL1 XL2 GL1&2 cameras had good low light handling before you had to gain up on them.
I honestly never used Tube Cameras before, and might be showing my age saying I have never heard of em before. (However will know about em tonight thanks to wikipedia)
Edit: Brain Fart, way early this morning... I remember those cameras!!! Old Old Timey. Back in news production to do green screen they just removed the "Green" Tube to figure out how to superimpose the weather graphics on. Those were the days of true television pioneers!
Val, I just unloaded 2 Sony MC-3A's (15K Each) that might have been nice for you. Didn't even think of ya (shame on me)
Shame on you Scott!
lol
Actually, it will be important to find ones that will fit our lenses and accessories. We have breakouts, monitors, a couple good lenses and 2 nice tripods that I would prefer to not replace. This will not be an immediate purchase.
Travis
Looking for a step or two above the GL1&2, though we have used them in the past with ok results. The studio cams have us a little spoiled even with their limitations. It won't be a cheap replacement.
Ahha, I should have known. One camera I have been having my eye on for a while... http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101625 3-CCD ProHD CAMCORDER w/16:1 FUJINON LENS GY-HD250U
If your not a big JVC Fan, I also found a very good sony model that our local TV station is using for their productions. (Commercials)
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/xdcamhd_cameras.shtml
Any of the XDCAM stuff you can't go wrong with, downside is expensive media.
My next camera will more than likely by DVCAM, XDCAM, miniDV (Not preferred), or VHS-C. I like VHS-C because all the stations in our market use that format relgiously. Except for one which uses Beta which is still an option for me.... So many routes to go
so little money.
If your not a big JVC Fan, I also found a very good sony model that our local TV station is using for their productions. (Commercials)
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/xdcamhd_cameras.shtml
Any of the XDCAM stuff you can't go wrong with, downside is expensive media.
My next camera will more than likely by DVCAM, XDCAM, miniDV (Not preferred), or VHS-C. I like VHS-C because all the stations in our market use that format relgiously. Except for one which uses Beta which is still an option for me.... So many routes to go
so little money.My next camera will more than likely by DVCAM, XDCAM, miniDV (Not preferred), or VHS-C. I like VHS-C because all the stations in our market use that format relgiously. Except for one which uses Beta which is still an option for me.... So many routes to go
BETA... really?
VHS - C...... even a bigger REALLY?????
We use all DVC Pro or they record to memory cards... not sure of the format.
Also, we're not really interested in a camcorder, just a good solid studio camera. Too many limitations involved with having the 'corder; and we just need the video feed (either dumped to hard drive or just for live image mag).
Best, worst..
We have a small black star ball I purchased like 4 years ago. I dunno why I did, but I did...Well, with the sale of my first pair of JBL EONs G2s, I gave it to him as a bonus...
My best purchase, well I have 2 sorry..
DJ Power LB 150..June 2004..
Bose L1 system (end of May 2007..)
We have a small black star ball I purchased like 4 years ago. I dunno why I did, but I did...Well, with the sale of my first pair of JBL EONs G2s, I gave it to him as a bonus...
My best purchase, well I have 2 sorry..
DJ Power LB 150..June 2004..
Bose L1 system (end of May 2007..)
I have seen some cameras that have no tape slot in them. They are "studio" grade cameras. And you would have to run them with those MultiPin CCU Cables. (Which are very fragile) THen you would use a CCU Box, which is great in "Studio Config" Modes, because you can instantly dial in your shutter, iris, focus, etc all from the box instead of relying on your operators eye. You can then break it out to Component, Y/C (S-Video), and some offer SDI output options.
Edit:
This was surprisingly challenging for me to find on the net, HOW??!?!
What do you think of this head: http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/docs/brochures/v-2179-b.pdf
Then you just need a Triax Cable & A CCU Box of your liking.
Travis
Good find. That would fit our tripods....would have to see if the CCU and any accessories are compatible. I don't see that the Sony has full breakout controls, but I didn't look real close. Our Ikegamis have good breakouts... Searching for this purchase could be a time consuming proposition!! lol
Good find. That would fit our tripods....would have to see if the CCU and any accessories are compatible. I don't see that the Sony has full breakout controls, but I didn't look real close. Our Ikegamis have good breakouts... Searching for this purchase could be a time consuming proposition!! lol
let me know what you need, we can figure this out together. I'd like to get something that gets you exactly what you need. BTW I am trying to steer you towards the SD direction for these heads and CCU's, because I have seen HD cameras have big issues in low light, also these are 3 2/3" CCD's much better than these other 3-CCD cameras. I have seen many issues with the MPEG-2 Encoding on HD cameras, lets face it the technology isn't up to par yet. Also since your using 4:3 screens there is no point to get a HD (16:9) camera, that would be a step back IMO.
I am sick of the blocky digital compression which people are considering "Broadcast Quality" on television. It is horrible when the video abruptly moves if you haven't seen it.
I am sick of the blocky digital compression which people are considering "Broadcast Quality" on television. It is horrible when the video abruptly moves if you haven't seen it.