How high does the price of fuel have to get for you to change your driving habits?

[sawdust123]

I have been working remote since 2004. Before that I was driving ~8000 miles a year. My first year as a remote employee, I drove 24000 miles. I was in sales. As I got to know my customers, I could do more work by phone. And, as my territory expanded, I was flying as much as driving. I started my current job at the start of the pandemic. I work from home but the actual office is only 3 miles away. I don't even have a desk there. I do stop in a few days a week though to meet with my employees and fellow managers. Certain meetings are just better done in person.

 

[Dan The Man]

I haven't been able to drive in over a year it's been kind of a blessing as I'd be spending a ton on fuel just to be driving around seeing friends, etc.

 

[adj2ent]

Well, a little bit of good news, the company I rep for raised the mileage reimbursement. It isn’t much but something. Other than that getting estimates for updating my Electric service and installing connection for charging. Car dealers are doing crazy markups on anything in demand on the lot. So, looks like whatever I go with I will have order it. Fine will me, I waited 6 month for my last van and got exactly what I wanted.

 

[djtaso]

Well, a little bit of good news, the company I rep for raised the mileage reimbursement. It isn’t much but something. Other than that getting estimates for updating my Electric service and installing connection for charging. Car dealers are doing crazy markups on anything in demand on the lot. So, looks like whatever I go with I will have order it. Fine will me, I waited 6 month for my last van and got exactly what I wanted.

What van are you looking at? I was told a 9-12 month wait for a Ford Transit...

 

[Jeff Romard]

What van are you looking at? I was told a 9-12 month wait for a Ford Transit...

I'm not sure about the Transit but I was told 3-6 for an F150 up here

 

[Jeff Romard]

I've been driving for personal reasons a little less but not much. That being said I've either been driving or paying for trips for the 2 of my girls to play Rugby.

From a business standpoint I only have 3 out of range trips this year so far. The one today is about 220 miles round trip I'm leaving in a few minutes and I'll get home 3AM or so if I don't stop for a nap. On a normal year I do 7-10 out of town

 

[sonic-vision]

Not limiting Business miles as of yet. I am ave. no more than an hour 15 mins. one way per gig. Charging more for over an hour drive one way.
Drive the car a lot more for personal use these days ( better gas mileage)
I make fewer trips to town & plan where and where I need to go so as to make one trip.
Yesterday, Church , Dollar General , Rural King ( ammo , Coffee ) Walmart, pharmacy, bank ,made deposits ,Tractor Supply ( softer salt ) lowes( New Fridge}, & Calvers for lunch with my Wife. I did make a BBQ brisket pickup early evening. My daughter was buying.
I can always get out my pedal asst. electric bike if I am not in a hurry ?!

 

[adj2ent]

What van are you looking at? I was told a 9-12 month wait for a Ford Transit...

I am looking for a EV SUV, I replaced my van back in 2016 with another Chevy. It was about 6 month wait back then. There were vans on the lot then, they were all white and without the extras I wanted, namely the larger engine.
I trying to figure out what the wait will be for the EV SVU, bottom line I need to get in line before all the tax rebates run out. Since I already have something it’s ok for now. It’s nothing like it 2014 where the wait was over 2 years with a manufacturer I don’t care to mention. But I Dodged that bullet.

 

[sonic-vision]

 

[adj2ent]

Lol, that is is big assumption for people who don’t know. Perhaps you missed it but I have solar and generate enough power to charge a couple Of EVS plus all the power for my home. In less than 1.5 years I fed 4.7 mega watts excess power into the power grid. And in my area we use Natural gas i’m not sure we’ve ever had Coal fired power plants in my lifetime. But it’s all about knowing if you getting a EV you first should get or think about solar especially in a area with high power rates like NY. before the rebate go away.

 

[ittigger]

Lol, that is is big assumption for people who don’t know. Perhaps you missed it but I have solar and generate enough power to charge a couple Of EVS plus all the power for my home. In less than 1.5 years I fed 4.7 mega watts excess power into the power grid. And in my area we use Natural gas i’m not sure we’ve ever had Coal fired power plants in my lifetime. But it’s all about knowing if you getting a EV you first should get or think about solar especially in a area with high power rates like NY. before the rebate go away.

While your area may not have a coal fired power plant, power is generally produced on a region level. If you can support your own EV at home, that is great - it really is, I don't know how many people are planning this way .. but this works, while you're at home. When you're out and about, you'll have to deal with the grid and the biggest problem with EV's is the grid - and the time to charge. They tell you to back down on the hot days - to avoid overloading the grid .. but hey everyone, let's get EV's.

For all - If you were to buy a car and the salesman told you - today, it'll hold 300 gallons, tomorrow it'll hold 280 gallons, etc. - would you still buy it? What is the plan in a blackout? What is the plan in an extended power outage (days, weeks, months)? What is the plan in rolling power outages (like California has)?

NY Stats on power generation stations:
Coal-fired: 10
Petroleum-fired: 51
Natural Gas-fired: 87
Nuclear: 5
Hydro-electric: 157
Other Renewable: 24

I can see buying a hybrid at some point, but I doubt I'll ever go full electric.

 

[adj2ent]

While your area may not have a coal fired power plant, power is generally produced on a region level. If you can support your own EV at home, that is great - it really is, I don't know how many people are planning this way .. but this works, while you're at home. When you're out and about, you'll have to deal with the grid and the biggest problem with EV's is the grid - and the time to charge. They tell you to back down on the hot days - to avoid overloading the grid .. but hey everyone, let's get EV's.

For all - If you were to buy a car and the salesman told you - today, it'll hold 300 gallons, tomorrow it'll hold 280 gallons, etc. - would you still buy it? What is the plan in a blackout? What is the plan in an extended power outage (days, weeks, months)? What is the plan in rolling power outages (like California has)?

NY Stats on power generation stations:
Coal-fired: 10
Petroleum-fired: 51
Natural Gas-fired: 87
Nuclear: 5
Hydro-electric: 157
Other Renewable: 24

I can see buying a hybrid at some point, but I doubt I'll ever go full electric.

We haven’t had a serious black since Hurricane Sandy, even then the issue was the power line being knock down, Solar is big in my area and increasing, least five of my neighbors have solar, everyone here has multi cars likely one will be gas, the only time I’d need to charge out is on road trip or over 125 miles on a single day, most charge at night when the demand is lower, those 10 Coal power plants are very likely upstate in the rural part of the state with a Low population density.

I don't know where people think anyone is forcing them to buy anything. It will many years before we get to the point where most could get a EV if they want one. As far as what salesman tell you, their job is to sell & move cars, I’d don’t get my critical information from them, Actually I have information they didn’t have yet, I like to research my purchases before acting.

 

[Scott Hanna]

We haven’t had a serious black since Hurricane Sandy, even then the issue was the power line being knock down, Solar is big in my area and increasing, least five of my neighbors have solar, everyone here has multi cars likely one will be gas, the only time I’d need to charge out is on road trip or over 125 miles on a single day, most charge at night when the demand is lower, those 10 Coal power plants are very likely upstate in the rural part of the state with a Low population density.

I don't know where people think anyone is forcing them to buy anything. It will many years before we get to the point where most could get a EV if they want one.

California says says 35% "zero omissions"by 2026, 100% by 2035. That doesn't sound like many years to me.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when an electric vehicle is a better option for overall driving experience. If and when it's a better option, California or anyone else won't need to mandate it and the government won't need to offer rebates. People will buy them. I don't believe EV's will be the environmental saving grace some are wishing for once you consider the electricity needed, the rare minerals needed, and the millions upon millions of dead batteries. Plus the current resale value of an electric vehicle is tough because of government rebates for new ones and people's fear that buying a used EV means an expensive battery replacement coming soon.

 

[adj2ent]

Scott
That is just a goal which they know won’t be reached but you have to have some sort of goal. They said we be on the moon by 2000 & Mars by 2025, do you believe it? There are certain steps which need to happen first, infrastructure which need to Built developed. Some areas will progress way before others. Others will be more difficult because the way agencies and Energy providers handle things. There is no way they will be mandating and forcing anyone to buy a EV and getting rid of gas cars anytime soon. Most gas powered cars produced now will likely be on the road for years. I had a very interesting Conversation with Person with solar from Texas. It was like they were doing everything to difficult for him to use Solar efficiently. But again we are still in the Beginnings Of this, EVs cost more, production is limited, very limited. Most have never Driven a EV, been in a EV, don’t know how you charge, do road trips. They drove coast to coast in hours in a EV with charging 7 or 8 years ago. There are plug In Hybrids which gives you a battery for short trips & then a gas engine for the rest. Batteries are still being improved on and very likely the what they are made of will change just like years ago we had lead acid batteries, now we have something else and solid state is coming. Once batteries are no longer usable in Car they will be still usable for energy storage where weight isn’t a concerned. However, batteries seem to be lasting much longer than expected. Batteries don’t just don’t die, they lose range, car the still works. What happened with the Bolt I think was a manufacturing defect. Even with the required battery replacement the car is selling and a Bolt EUV premier will cost you over 40K, I was just at the dealer. Basically any EV will handle all your local driving, how fast they charge, how far they will go on a charge and what level of tech & comfort you want is the question. For most buying now, know likely the car won’t last as long as our gas car, but that is assumed risk you take as a early adopter.

 

[DJ Ricky B]

The technology to run cars on water has been around for decades. The Elite, as in those that have run things behind the scenes has gone to great lengths to keep this technology supressed, and under the radar of the general public. Look up Stan Meyer or Stanley Meyer.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYOo7MAEGqc


Here Bob Lazar explains and SHOWS how Hydrogen can be seperated from Water, and put into a storage tank on a car (He used a C4 Corvette for this by the way) so that a car can run on hydrogen! He was doing this in 1995! The answer to fossil fuels is right in front of our faces, BUT due to government regulation, and Hydride being against the law to purchase, or store, this technology can't be used

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjeM2IBhtlc


He explains the law, and the dumb reason why it is outlawed, but also explains that it's a totally safe chemical by itself.

 

[DJ Ricky B]

And Toyota came out with a Hydrogen powered car! Great looking ride.

What's the problems right now?

A. Price of the car
B. There are only 43 Public Hydrogen stations in California, and 2 in Hawaii. No other states have a Hydrogen fueling station for the public to use.
C. You legally, can't produce, and store your own hydrogen.
D. The cost of Hydrogen right now at the current stations is about $14 to $16 per kilogram. Tank in the car takes 5 KG of hydrogen to fill the tank. Pretty expensive at the moment considering it comes from WATER. Hopefully we can get the price down by 60% or more in the coming years on Hydrogen

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846yRFp7VF0

 

[Proformance]

In less than 1.5 years I fed 4.7 mega watts excess power into the power grid.

...enough to power one of those locomotives for up to 800 milli-seconds. The reality of solar energy isn't that your panels sent 4.7 mega watts into the grid - it's that it took a year and a half to do it.

Just one of those locomotives as pictured is capable of producing 5 or 6 mega watts on demand.

 

[adj2ent]

Just one of those locomotives as pictured is capable of producing 5 or 6 mega watts on demand.

Are you trying to compare passive engry generation with active? Because there is not point to that. However there is a point to getting a credit for power you don’t use so you call pull it from the grid when you need it. Why would anybody want to generate 5 mega watts on demand in their home? Especially when you only use10/20 kw.a day. Hopefully it was a joke.

 

[MIXMASTERMACHOM]

Let me say on Friday to fill up cost $83 and Saturday another $26. So that's $109. Ouch! I will go out in a few for a small run.

 

[tunes4046]

Here’s the problem with current electric cars, today I filled up my Toyota Corolla,$52 410 miles of range it took 4 minutes, when electric becomes that convenient people will switch