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Hi All,
I’m rather new to this Digital DJ World and have been working small shows with a laptop. I’ve been looking at a few controllers and have no idea where to start or how I can (or should) incorporate one into my life.
I’d like to be able to listen to a song from another source before mixing it into the set. I’d also like to add some effects into the night here and there.
Help!!
Thank you in advance from an old school, realistic mixer + 2 cassette decks Gal!
 
Do you have a price range?

There are a host of features that you'd have to determine the importance of for someone to recommend a unit .. size/feel of the platters, number of channels, number of mic inputs, number of USB inputs (important to be able to cue and play simultaneously), size/weight of unit, types of effect controls, etc.

I love my Denon MC6000mk2 ... it's relatively small (can be rack mounted), has all the features I need and is decently priced (less than $600 which included a full copy of Serato DJ). Some here love the huge Pioneer controllers and some use a simple unit like the Numark DJ2GO (I have one as a backup).
 
Unless you already have a specific program in mind, you have the cart in front of the horse. While in theory almost any midi compliant controller can work with almost any software, your life will be a lot easier if you pick the software first, and then compatible hardware (the controller) second. Most of the big names have (crippled) versions you can download and try.
 
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I’m rather new to this Digital DJ World and have been working small shows with a laptop.
Is there a particular piece of software you are comfortable with so far? What are the specs on the laptop - is it capable of handling the controller? For example recent versions of Serato have minimum requirements of an i3 going up to i7 depending on the load you'll be putting on it. Free and open source Mixx on the other hand supports an array of controllers and is slightly more forgiving of older tech.

I’ve been looking at a few controllers and have no idea where to start or how I can (or should) incorporate one into my life.
If you are going from a basic mixer/computer/cassette setup to something newer, is this only for the sole purpose of digitizing your library and ease/speed of locating selections, or do you plan on doing any advanced cueing/mixing/matching etc.

I’d like to be able to listen to a song from another source before mixing it into the set. I’d also like to add some effects into the night here and there.
This can technically be done without a controller.

Without knowing the exact need, it is hard to say if a controller is even required for your application. You could get away with a mixer with an integrated sound card or USB soundcard for your most basic requirements, however, if you are looking to learn and grow into something, it would be more beneficial to splurge on something that's slightly overkill for you right now. Additionally, without knowing a whole lot about your equipment, there could also be the "hidden costs" of tech upgrades, cables etc.

As others have mentioned, Pioneer and Denon make solid products. I personally use both (DDJ-SX2 and MC6000), however, I would steer most professionals away from their entry level products as in a wedding application or similar some products that are more "Controller" than "Mixer" do not have the flexibility for as many inputs, microphones, etc. which are critical at our gigs.
 
Apologies for not elaborating on what I have been working with...
One PC laptop (another duplicate backup laptop) with OtsDJ, Mackie mixer and Bose S1 speakers. I use Spotify on a separate channel to mix in tunes that the kids have on their phones. I would like to continue using OtsDJ since ALL of the music is loaded into it. I did install Virtual DJ on my Macbook and played around with it for a while. The version of Ots I have is not updated tho is fine for what I’m using it for now. I will have to update it if I’m going to use a controller or just copy everything over to Virtual DJ (eeeekkkk!)
I am subscribed to Promo Only to keep my library current. The karaoke library is a few weeks behind since I’m not sure where to get the files for that yet. So far the gigs I’ve been doing have gone well. There are times I play a song and it’s an instant hit... Other times I have to mix out of a bomb song. Thank you all for your replies so far. I’m so thankful to have found you all.
 
Do you have a price range?

There are a host of features that you'd have to determine the importance of for someone to recommend a unit .. size/feel of the platters, number of channels, number of mic inputs, number of USB inputs (important to be able to cue and play simultaneously), size/weight of unit, types of effect controls, etc.

I love my Denon MC6000mk2 ... it's relatively small (can be rack mounted), has all the features I need and is decently priced (less than $600 which included a full copy of Serato DJ). Some here love the huge Pioneer controllers and some use a simple unit like the Numark DJ2GO (I have one as a backup).





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Do you have a price range?

There are a host of features that you'd have to determine the importance of for someone to recommend a unit .. size/feel of the platters, number of channels, number of mic inputs, number of USB inputs (important to be able to cue and play simultaneously), size/weight of unit, types of effect controls, etc.

I love my Denon MC6000mk2 ... it's relatively small (can be rack mounted), has all the features I need and is decently priced (less than $600 which included a full copy of Serato DJ). Some here love the huge Pioneer controllers and some use a simple unit like the Numark DJ2GO (I have one as a backup).

Hi Steve,
I was thinking between 300-600 and consider by a used unit as well.
 
A challenge with OtsAv DJ is the limited number of out of the box controller mappings. Seems it can work with most controllers, but the list of "actual" supported ones is small ( OtsAV: Download MIDI Hardware Control Maps (OHML) ), so you'd need to do some work in mapping things with some of the newer ones (they seem to favor the Denons). Also, you need the full Pro version apparently to work with any controller.
 
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A challenge with OtsAv DJ is the limited number of out of the box controller mappings. Seems it can work with most controllers, but the list of "actual" supported ones is small ( OtsAV: Download MIDI Hardware Control Maps (OHML) ), so you'd need to do some work in mapping things with some of the newer ones (they seem to favor the Denons). Also, you need the full Pro version apparently to work with any controller.

That’s why I have been exploring other software options. Virtual DJ seems to be quite user friendly. Ots requires everything to be in Ots format.


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You have at least two options based on your setup:

(1) Music Sources+Controller -> Mackie Mixer -> Powered Speakers
--Basically you'll run a computer into the controller then run the controller into the mixer so it will be similar to what you have now. This would also be the most economical option as you can opt for a controller with less channels.
(2) Sources-> Controller -> Powered Speakers
--Basically here you are eliminating your existing Mackie Mixer and finding a controller that doubles as your mixer and supports all of your inputs and needs. Of course this means purchasing a higher end controller. This option looks a little bit nicer as it has less components and wires, which ultimately means less knobs to worry about and stuff that can ultimately fail.

Honestly, in my area I see both a lot. There's really no right or wrong. If you plan on having guests perform along with you with additional controllers or do a large volume of karaoke, then keeping the mixer might be advantageous to you.

I kind of do the opposite of Option (1). Everything is wired through my controller and if I have a karaoke show I either use one of my other mixers (scrapping the controller for the evening) or run a microphone mixer into an input on my controller (it all comes down to the particular application and what is important at that event).

Other thoughts:
-"OtsDJ"- not a bad program...I don't personally use it but people who have worked for me in years past have. I have never personally mapped it to a controller. I know Ots (like other programs) saves off mapping files for the music and some versions even convert your library to a proprietary format. If you move from Ots to something else, you'll probably need to "import" the library but the other programs will not convert the music so the import process is not as much of a headache. If you don;t have your original MP3s any longer, going from Ots to another program if your files have been converted could cause problems.

-Primarily, my company is weddings and festivals so I stay away from streaming applications. Anything important is stored off locally on the computer before the gig. Anything obtained on-site is done through downloading an MP3 so there is no hiccup in service. We do run two computers throughout the night - a primary and backup (like you a Windows machine and a Mac).

-"Virtual DJ on my Macbook"- the import process for this should be relatively painless IMO (assuming OTS didn't convert the files to a proprietary format). This is also a good program for auto-mixing, karaoke and acts as a stepping stone (very beginner friendly) should you decide to go with Mixx, Serato, Rekordbox etc. later.

-"The karaoke library is a few weeks behind"- If you want to keep it up to date there are services for this as well (similar to PO and ERG). I don't personally use them as it is more economical for me to grab the karaoke files I need ad-hoc since Karaoke constitutes a low volume of my business and new selections aren't often frequently requested by singers.
 
You have at least two options based on your setup:

(1) Music Sources+Controller -> Mackie Mixer -> Powered Speakers
--Basically you'll run a computer into the controller then run the controller into the mixer so it will be similar to what you have now. This would also be the most economical option as you can opt for a controller with less channels.
(2) Sources-> Controller -> Powered Speakers
--Basically here you are eliminating your existing Mackie Mixer and finding a controller that doubles as your mixer and supports all of your inputs and needs. Of course this means purchasing a higher end controller. This option looks a little bit nicer as it has less components and wires, which ultimately means less knobs to worry about and stuff that can ultimately fail.

Honestly, in my area I see both a lot. There's really no right or wrong. If you plan on having guests perform along with you with additional controllers or do a large volume of karaoke, then keeping the mixer might be advantageous to you.

I kind of do the opposite of Option (1). Everything is wired through my controller and if I have a karaoke show I either use one of my other mixers (scrapping the controller for the evening) or run a microphone mixer into an input on my controller (it all comes down to the particular application and what is important at that event).

Other thoughts:
-"OtsDJ"- not a bad program...I don't personally use it but people who have worked for me in years past have. I have never personally mapped it to a controller. I know Ots (like other programs) saves off mapping files for the music and some versions even convert your library to a proprietary format. If you move from Ots to something else, you'll probably need to "import" the library but the other programs will not convert the music so the import process is not as much of a headache. If you don;t have your original MP3s any longer, going from Ots to another program if your files have been converted could cause problems.

-Primarily, my company is weddings and festivals so I stay away from streaming applications. Anything important is stored off locally on the computer before the gig. Anything obtained on-site is done through downloading an MP3 so there is no hiccup in service. We do run two computers throughout the night - a primary and backup (like you a Windows machine and a Mac).

-"Virtual DJ on my Macbook"- the import process for this should be relatively painless IMO (assuming OTS didn't convert the files to a proprietary format). This is also a good program for auto-mixing, karaoke and acts as a stepping stone (very beginner friendly) should you decide to go with Mixx, Serato, Rekordbox etc. later.

-"The karaoke library is a few weeks behind"- If you want to keep it up to date there are services for this as well (similar to PO and ERG). I don't personally use them as it is more economical for me to grab the karaoke files I need ad-hoc since Karaoke constitutes a low volume of my business and new selections aren't often frequently requested by singers.

Thank you for your Awesome reply.
I’ve been leaning towards option (2) and when I do Karaoke, for now, I can use the other laptop and mixer with the wireless microphones. Could I also use the wireless microphones (two) with the controller? I’ve been eliminating wires whenever possible and hiding them under the table. I have a rack from my band days that I can use for power supplies and maybe the microphone unit. Each gig I make notes of what needs tweaking.


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Apologies for not elaborating on what I have been working with...
One PC laptop (another duplicate backup laptop) with OtsDJ, Mackie mixer and Bose S1 speakers. I use Spotify on a separate channel to mix in tunes that the kids have on their phones. I would like to continue using OtsDJ since ALL of the music is loaded into it. I did install Virtual DJ on my Macbook and played around with it for a while. The version of Ots I have is not updated tho is fine for what I’m using it for now. I will have to update it if I’m going to use a controller or just copy everything over to Virtual DJ (eeeekkkk!)
I am subscribed to Promo Only to keep my library current. The karaoke library is a few weeks behind since I’m not sure where to get the files for that yet. So far the gigs I’ve been doing have gone well. There are times I play a song and it’s an instant hit... Other times I have to mix out of a bomb song. Thank you all for your replies so far. I’m so thankful to have found you all.

Oh, and I would have to convert all of the Ots formatted digital music files back to MP3. Time consuming, yet possible.


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Before I launch into a tirade over the madness of converting your song files into a proprietary format that can only be read by ONE program, I feel it is only fair to have the proponents of OtsAv have their say - and I hope it's better than "it's reliable" or "it was the best available at the time".
 
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Based on your updated info, the Denon MC-6000 should meet your needs. You'll have to "Decks" for mixing, two microphone inputs and extra available channels for the backup laptop or whatever. I have seen these sub $600 new down to a couple hundred dollars used - so it should fall in your budget.

It should work with Virtual Dj, Mixx and Serato so you'll have a variety of options software-wise.

If you get creative, you could probably rig up more microphones to it as well - either preamplifying them and passing them through a line input or using mic systems where two mics go into one receiver and can relay a combined signal through one output. If needed, you can put the controller into a line on the mixer or put the mixer through a line in on the controller to add options. The only downside to these types of things is if you have someone filling in/helping/working for you who is not as savvy with audio equipment to be able to trace the wires, is inpatient or overall not familiar with your system there might be a learning curve leading to a hiccup in performance.

Now for the bad news...Ots... I can't tell you if you would need an update or if a mapping file is available for this controller off-hand. You'd probably want to check the specs on their website or look through the forums on that one. Ots has changed since I have used it, I honestly do not even know if there is a good way to batch convert your files back to a conventional format or what kind of quality loss the files might suffer during this process. Honestly, when I was using Ots I was using it because of the proprietary format in conjunction with locking down the computer to prevent opportunity theft (aka make it less attractive to temps to attempt to copy my library/drive). If you have links to original downloads or the Cds you may be better off re-downloading or re-ripping your library.

Side note for anyone browsing through on this thread: I'm OCD. While others laughed at me, back in the day I imaged many of my critical Cds into WAV/ISO formats etc. I then converted/ripped everything into MP3 at 320kb/s. I then duplicated the drive - the old copy went back into it's box and has been sitting in a drawer since.
Same with my video and karaoke drive. Video got ripped in as VOB or ISO. A backup of the karaoke library was also stored - old drive went back into a box in the drawer. Since 2008, many programs and formats have come and gone. I have seen Djs use Apple, WMA, MP4, VOB, AVI, OTS, some proprietary karaoke formats etc. etc. etc. Whenever you convert, you run the quality of signal/quality loss.

What I am getting at is it is advantageous to keep a master copy of your drive in a near lossless format since the requirements put on us are subject to change. If all the software moves to FLAC files in a few years - it will be no problem for me as I can dust off the original drive and run a batch convert. When some video programs stopped supporting VOB and went over to mostly MP4 this was not an issue either. I always have the option to convert to the new format, and never have to worry about converting back or reconverting something inferior. The time and effort saved by this upfront investment has been invaluable, and storage prices keep falling. Out of those that laughed at me ten years ago - I am now the one getting the last laugh as I watch some of them repurchase their libraries...
 
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Based on your updated info, the Denon MC-6000 should meet your needs. You'll have to "Decks" for mixing, two microphone inputs and extra available channels for the backup laptop or whatever. I have seen these sub $600 new down to a couple hundred dollars used - so it should fall in your budget.

It should work with Virtual Dj, Mixx and Serato so you'll have a variety of options software-wise...

The Denon MC-6000 also works with Traktor Pro 2. so it's a very good choice if you haven't settled on which software you want to use.:)
 
Based on your updated info, the Denon MC-6000 ... I have seen these sub $600 new down to a couple hundred dollars used - so it should fall in your budget...

Got my first MC6000MK2 on eBay used (won the auction) for $445... Perfect condition. Got my second one from Pro Sound Gear (Recording Studio Gear, Musical Instruments Online, Musical Instrument Sales, Pro DJ Equipment Gear Doral) for $549 (free shipping); demo unit but looked like brand new. The demo unit at Pro Sound Gear is almost always available.