3% tempo speedup.

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So lately i've been conducting an experiment. Jokerswild said a while back he liked running his show at 3% faster because it just sounded better. So I decided to give it a go for the last week.

It's nice....

I'm watching my replays from last night. I started off at 3%, then spedup another 2% later in the evening for a total of 5%.

It just works out better for all the songs. American Idiot by green day actually sounds quicker, more punky. Slow songs have less singer breakup in them, because the usually long notes are shorter by 5% so singers just breeze right through them.

Finally I get a few extra requests in which makes the singers happy. Singers are happy, boss is happy, everyone is happier and more lively at an extra 3-5%.
 
toqer said:
So lately i've been conducting an experiment. Jokerswild said a while back he liked running his show at 3% faster because it just sounded better. So I decided to give it a go for the last week.

It's nice....

I'm watching my replays from last night. I started off at 3%, then spedup another 2% later in the evening for a total of 5%.

It just works out better for all the songs. American Idiot by green day actually sounds quicker, more punky. Slow songs have less singer breakup in them, because the usually long notes are shorter by 5% so singers just breeze right through them.

Finally I get a few extra requests in which makes the singers happy. Singers are happy, boss is happy, everyone is happier and more lively at an extra 3-5%.
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If you were to ask some of the DJ's that have done radio and some current radio jocks they will tell you that the reason they increase playback by 2-3% is because it gives the recorded music a more live feel... lets face it if you go to a rock concert most bands know their music so well that they tend to play it faster than they did in the studio anyway... that's just one reason why the music at a live concert sounds different than the recordings. Take a listen to any live album and compare that to a studio record and you'll see what I mean.
 
You just have to be careful that the songs do not sound like chipmunks. You would have to adjust the key tempo also. Many do not even notice but in a few instances I have had some come to me and notice that it was playing faster.
 
3% works awesome and gives the audiencesomething a bit different than how they here a song per radio and their copy of a hot newer song. Energizes the house. i been doing just this for 20 yrs.
 
I've tried it, and yes, it does energize to a degree, but, I won't do it anymore.

Radio does it for a diff. reason, and that is more ad time, which is what pays the bills. I understand bills.


I've come to my own conclusion, over years, that to do so, destroys the intent of well written music. Having written quite a few tunes, it takes mucho work to get a tempo and key to fit the feeling of what you are trying to convey.

Would you speed read Shakespeare?
Would you up-tempo Mozart?

If the artist wanted it faster, I suspect they would have done so...
 
doing so allows for a perfect mix of one song of lower bpm to a couple beat higher hot hits so it actually serves more purpose. Many artists release singels with many different beat counts to allow its use in other applications. I dont see or compare most new music the likes of Shakespeare or Mozart much less my last finger painting. LOL Goats make some awfully fine art work after supper dont they Rick?
 
doing so allows for a perfect mix of one song of lower bpm to a couple beat higher hot hits so it actually serves more purpose.
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Being a good DJ, allows one to mix any song together, without changing tempo or pitch.

One could say the bpm science would be somewhat precise,

While the delivery of the presentation, is the art... :sqwink:
 
hey I usually sing many of my song slelctions dropped 2 . Id have to race if they were pitched +3, and would certainly wear my tite BVD's!
 
Jon Tuck said:
hey I usually sing many of my song slelctions dropped 2 . Id have to race if they were pitched +3, and would certainly wear my tite BVD's!
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this isn't about pitch shifting folks... what we are talking about is an increase in the tempo of the song.... not change the pitch or key of the song.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Being a good DJ, allows one to mix any song together, without changing tempo or pitch.

One could say the bpm science would be somewhat precise,

While the delivery of the presentation, is the art... :sqwink:
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We're talking about KJ's here. I think you also said:

SoftJock Rick said:
Radio does it for a diff. reason, and that is more ad time, which is what pays the bills. I understand bills.
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Karaoke is about rotation rotatation rotation and "How many times do I get to sing a night?" It's about confining yourself inside a box and following a common set of rules that determine when songs get played.

Folsom prison blues followed by Gorrilaz Dare? Maybe followed by some sad country song you really love to hate? Don't like it? Tough, rotation determines when things get played.

With that being said, your comment about more ad time plays directly into this. Everytime someone is singing, that's advertising YOU. That's advertising you ability to get people on stage and looking/sounding like rock stars.

KJ'ing and DJ'ing are two completely seperate animals and I sort of hold KJ'ing sacred. Any attempt to compare the two outside of equipment sets me off, sorry :(
 
KJ'ing and DJ'ing are two completely seperate animals and I sort of hold KJ'ing sacred. Any attempt to compare the two outside of equipment sets me off, sorry
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Fair enough, no need to be sorry. I've never done a KJ show, although I have attended many (note I don't write KJ software, as it's not my field of expertise). :)

As you are passionate about the Karaoke, I am so about regular DJ'ing and music in general, and I don't like fooling with the original sound too much, if at all.

Whatever works though, works :sqbiggrin:
 
As long as we're cool :)

Yah I sort of admire good DJ's. I don't have a single song memorized, not up to date on top 40 or any of that. I have no idea what song mixes well with what. Stick me in a DJ booth for some dance event, and you'd probably see me being chased outta there by an angry torch carrying mob.
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KILL THE DJ!!!
 
Not a yay or nay here, but just relaying some personal experience. This IS a karaoke thread, not DJ. In regard to karaoke: When I tried this I was, in most cases, called out by the singer. They practice and learn a song a certain way. They aren't pros, and had some trouble adjusting, So I gave it up.

Many songs CAN sound better this way, but A) gotta keep the singers happy, and B) I kind of agree with SoftJock regarding artistic integrity. I know that if one were to pick nits, one could say that ANY added effect is actually a change, but for that, see "A".
 
I agree with you Joe... that we have to keep the singers happy.... but do you really think the amature singers will even notice a 2-3% tempo increase? In my experience no they don't. Now if you increase it by 5% or more ya it really does become noticeable. What were talking about is for example a song that might be oh say 78bpm being increased to maybe 80bpm.... that's not a huge change. But it does IMHO give the music a more live feel.

Of course it all does finally go back to customer satisfaction... if your singers are like the princes in "The Princess and the Pea" story then they will notice and cry..... "It's too fast...." In that case then don't monkey with it.
 
jokerswild said:
1) I agree with you Joe... that we have to keep the singers happy.... but do you really think the amature singers will even notice a 2-3% tempo increase? In my experience no they don't. 2) But it does IMHO give the music a more live feel.

Of course it all does finally go back to customer satisfaction
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1) Like I said, I've been called out on it, so mine do notice- darn it!

2) I agree, it liven some pieces up, and I like the sound- but I'm not the customer.....Darn again!
 
djdon said:
I use Chronotron. I tried the 3% speedup last Thursday. It seemed to experience phase shift: the bass would fade in and out. Seems it does that if it's off of 0%.

Maybe it's time to try Pacemaker?
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That's a new one on me. Does it occur when you use it with a straight DJ disc?
 
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