Does anyone still load passive SR systems?

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I hear ya Wolfie.

I normaly run (2) P.A.S Ft1.2 tops. http://www.pas-toc.com/products/touring/ft-1.2.html

And (2) P.A.S Mf218 Sub Cabs.

http://www.pas-toc.com/products/touring/mf218.html

I have a total of (4) tops.& (4) sub cabs.

There processed by the Sb2 (Designed by P.A.S for this system)

All powered by a pile of QSC plx2 amps. A Rmx 850 on highs, 3602's on mids,
And 3602's on sub duty.

I run live sound all the time with different combo's, and use this as my dj rig also. (overkill sometimes?? YES But my back is strong so i don't mind!!!!)
 
Howl on Mr. Wolf!!!! It's about time someone told the truth about all these active 'toys'!!!!!!

I only own one active speaker and it is used as a stage monitor for karaoke.

My old JBL concert series cabinets are heavy, but I LIKE 'EM!!!

Does the client notice the difference, YES! The real test for a system comes when you go outdoors.....
 
Well... many of the snot-in-a-wind-tunnel molded actives are really just powered stage wedges. That's all they are.

Yup, Carvin's PMs (nee LMs) are just that ~ glorified powered stage wedges. That's all the Eons and Mackies are. Sorry, guys... just calling 'em as I see 'em. They're going thermal because people are trying to use 'em for more than what they were designed to do.

Why anyone in his right mind would confuse these things with FOH mains is beyond my comprehension. It doesn't help that they're marketed to DJs as mains. :(

In my experience, there are two types of active cab users: Those who are gonna get burned and those wish they'd never wasted good money on the damn things to begin with.

Honestly... there have been countless posts on the bbs forums about active cab failures over the years. Yet, people still buy the stuff. Hey... it fits in the backseat of your Saturn. Well, that's as good an excuse as any. :rolleyes:

Oh sure... poke fun at our big, heavy passive FOH rig. Remind me once again about how easy your load is. Laugh about it. Call me old-fashioned and dumb. I don't mind. This old dog don't lay on no porch. :)

But perhaps there's a reason this ignorant, old-fashioned DJ is still working with the same gear he was working with 7 years ago. Perhaps there's a reason that these Class A/B amps and processing rack are still in service after all these years without a moment's trouble.

Perhaps this ignorant, old-fashioned DJ actually listened to others who knew what they were talking about before forking over the dough for business equipment. Perhaps this dumb, old DJ didn't hit the market with the "I have $X to spend and want a complete sound system" nonsense.

And just perhaps these big, heavy birch plywood cabs are in service for a reason? How do ya spell tone, lol.

Face it... when you've got a large house filled with 400 partying guests and a big dancefloor to rock, you ain't gonna do it with a pair of Mackie or Eon active stage wedges on sticks and plastic active subs. Oh, you can try... but it ain't gonna happen. And all those pretty lighting effects that you pissed good money away for ain't gonna help, either.

No, you've gotta rattle the walls from front to back, folks. And that's at 1/3 output just for starters. You're gonna need professional processing, big amps and big speaker cabs fed with 100% headroom to do this.

But I don't know what I'm talking about. I never do. :D
 
Hey Shirl! Was Wolfie hitting the bottle tonight?
Fred you said what I have been preaching for over 2 years.

SRM 450's are monitors. Not loud speakers.
L1's are for musicians. Not for DJ's.
Eon's are for local strip/karaoke bars.

Now you users of the above should not go running to the mods crying about me bashing your speakers. It's not a bash, it's just me agreeing with someone that understands the true labor of providing real sound for his clients.

By the way nothing beats turning up that volume without worring about a clip light. Headroom baby.

I love my powered subs, but the tops will always stay passive.
 
I just deleted what I was about to say but you guys are actually having fun so I wont throw a differing comment in its truly not worth it!
Enjoy!!
 
Jon Tuck said:
I just deleted what I was about to say but you guys are actually having fun so I wont throw a differing comment in its truly not worth it!
Enjoy!!
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Aw c'mon Jon. Tell us how you really feel. :D

John,

Long before I was able to afford a professional FOH system I visited several bbs forums and listened to the soundmen when they commented. Scott McKinney and many others posted honest reviews on various brands and models and offered suggestions.

At the time I was working with RS crap. It was sadly underpowered and I got myself into a few situations where I simply didn't have the needed SPL to effectively handle the shows.

I swore I'd never do that again. I posted and listened to people who had built pro-grade SR systems. At the time I didn't have the money to invest in the full monty... but I had enough to start with processing and a plan for upgrading.

Seven years later we own a conventional FOH system that can manage any situation, indoors or out with a sweet tone. We can patch live sound through it if needed... we have the processing. It's not 100% touring grade... we don't have individual C/L and EQ channels for mics nor stage wedges but this FOH can hold its own.

Yeah, it cost more than your average "DJ equipment". But we didn't wish to be just average. We wanted what the pros suggested, even though it cost more.

We'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. There were times in the old days when I needed it and didn't have it. :)
 
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Fred I know I should Know this but what does FOH stand for? :sqembarrassed:
 
Fred Stewart said:
Oh sure... poke fun at our big, heavy passive FOH rig. Remind me once again about how easy your load is. Laugh about it. Call me old-fashioned and dumb. I don't mind. This old dog don't lay on no porch. :)

But perhaps there's a reason this ignorant, old-fashioned DJ is still working with the same gear he was working with 7 years ago. Perhaps there's a reason that these Class A/B amps and processing rack are still in service after all these years without a moment's trouble.

Perhaps this ignorant, old-fashioned DJ actually listened to others who knew what they were talking about before forking over the dough for business equipment. Perhaps this dumb, old DJ didn't hit the market with the "I have $X to spend and want a complete sound system" nonsense.

..................................But I don't know what I'm talking about. I never do. :D
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ROFL!! Bravo! But just 7 years makes your gear still a pup.....
 
I still only use a passive system unless its an outdoor small BBQ or something.
I use Yorkville A15's or EV Force i25's,
for subs I use Cerwin Vega earthquakes or yorkville LS808's, or double 18's,
sometimes I may use an LS800P which is powered but awesome sound.
I still carry 2 QSC RMX 2450's, all tuned with a DBX Driverack.
Just like you, I prefer the sound out of heavy wood cabinets, passive.
 
Fred Stewart said:
Absolutely. We don't use these cabs together stacked.

Only problem we've found... the horn in the dually 15s isn't sufficient for vocal warmth. To be honest, I prefer a set of subs and the dually 10" tops bi-amped.

Jeff, the Carvin DCMs are class A/B if memory serves. I'm not gettin' any younger and could be wrong about this. :)
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Just to note.. all of Carvins Powered models use the DCM amps inside. I had a bad batch of LM's new ones are on the way. The way i run mine is the same as a tri-amped, time aligned system
 
I have both powered & passive JBLs.
But I gotta tell ya, I rarely take out the passive ones anymore.

Once ya go powered, it's hard to go back.
 
Some how I feel awfully bad about my powered system taking me out to 40 or so gigs per year and hearing some of the Passive ists sitting at home with a handful of gigs. Perhaps Im a bottomfeeder. Oh wait im charging in the top 90 percent of my regions curve. Im now ashamed!! I suppose my clients are sparing me the embarrasing comments cause well they are just darned nice folks. You know the Canadians turning the other cheek and all.
 
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Some how I feel awfully bad about my powered system taking me out to 40 or so gigs per year and hearing some of the Passive ists sitting at home with a handful of gigs. Perhaps Im a bottomfeeder. Oh wait im charging in the top 90 percent of my regions curve. Im now ashamed!! I suppose my clients are sparing me the embarrasing comments cause well they are just darned nice folks. You know the Canadians turning the other cheek and all.
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Ed The Tuck from Vegas!
You are a staple to the DJ Industry. I bet you can wear a good crowd down at any party. You get a lot of props from us here on the board.
So what the hell are you talking about in the above post??

I don't think their is anything wrong with using powered gear. It's just a thread expressing the opinions of those that use passive stuff.:bconfused:
 
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