What are your likes and dislikes of the Yamaha DSR series speakers?

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Seeing as you don't have any of those subs (except the scoops), again I ask to see a difference to how you roll today. I don't see any of the bigger jobs coming along in this area, so I am scaling back. I agree that I would get big stuff for a club gig, but I wouldn't be schlepping it back and forth on a weekly basis. The reality is the gigs will be small bar, conference rooms, and dining rooms. Double 728s not needed there. 2 tops and a good pair of lighter weight subs and I'm golden. And there are plenty of decent sounding subs in that weight range (or close to it): TH Mini, JTR Growler, JBL PRX 618s-XLF, QSC KW181 come to mind.
 
I would like to share the sound of Dynacord. Semi compact probably lighter than the Scoops and they can easily cover off larger crowds. They compliment having felt the boom with amazing tone.
 
Ok this debate is going nowhere. It is very simple, we are all in different markets. For years now I have been getting slammed on here for the size of gear that I use. I have been accused of using unnecessary gear, that I should get rid of my EQ etc. We have the DJ jobs here in Houston, Weddings, Small Parties, Large Gigs, concerts, productions etc. With my gear, I can scale back and take a Wedding Gig or small party. The chaps here in Houston that do Weddings cannot effectively do the Gigs that I do unless they rent additional equipment and that is cost prohibitive to many. Besides which, many of them would have a difficult time hooking up a complex system.
 
Canute - What I was trying to figure out is what you were debating. You kept saying the small stuff is no good, but my system, with the subs that are getting a bit heavy for me, is actually larger than your system in the golf gig picture, so it's the SIZE piece I'm missing. Are you saying your system isn't as good because it's smaller? I doubt it.

For me, the tops without subs is a bit thin. With the subs, I'm loading 2 120 pound cabinets I would prefer not to anymore, so it's those I'm trying to scale down with an equivalent current system, and I think I can without much if any compromise.
 
steve149 said:
Canute - What I was trying to figure out is what you were debating. You kept saying the small stuff is no good, but my system, with the subs that are getting a bit heavy for me, is actually larger than your system in the golf gig picture, so it's the SIZE piece I'm missing. Are you saying your system isn't as good because it's smaller? I doubt it.

For me, the tops without subs is a bit thin. With the subs, I'm loading 2 120 pound cabinets I would prefer not to anymore, so it's those I'm trying to scale down with an equivalent current system, and I think I can without much if any compromise.
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The Golf Gig system used was two way with two scoops, 16ohms each. The beauty of my system is that it is modular. It was designed that way for a reason. I add two more scoops in parallel via jumper cables in the back and I increase the bass. Add three way with an amp rack and tweeter and midrange boxes and now my vocals and higher instruments have increased without being blaring. I have never had to run my system fully open. Almost every signal path is no more than 50%. You also have to take into account that I have a Console, Process rack with two amps included, separate Amp Rack with Electronic crossover and three amps. That is a lot of stuff.
 
But you didn't need the extra subs/mids there and that would be a typical gig for most of us. Big and heavy don't necessarily equate to good sound (maybe loud sound). I'm an engineer by degree .. I'm sure I can figure out a system that weighs less than my current one, that out performs my current one and saves wear on my body without spending a fortune. That's MY goal.
 
steve149 said:
Seeing as you don't have any of those subs (except the scoops), again I ask to see a difference to how you roll today. I don't see any of the bigger jobs coming along in this area, so I am scaling back. I agree that I would get big stuff for a club gig, but I wouldn't be schlepping it back and forth on a weekly basis. The reality is the gigs will be small bar, conference rooms, and dining rooms. Double 728s not needed there. 2 tops and a good pair of lighter weight subs and I'm golden. And there are plenty of decent sounding subs in that weight range (or close to it): TH Mini, JTR Growler, JBL PRX 618s-XLF, QSC KW181 come to mind.
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That's what i decided to do when i sold the earthquakes. Some simply just won't pay enough to make it worth our while to use them.
 
ahoustondj said:
Ok this debate is going nowhere. It is very simple, we are all in different markets. For years now I have been getting slammed on here for the size of gear that I use. I have been accused of using unnecessary gear, that I should get rid of my EQ etc. We have the DJ jobs here in Houston, Weddings, Small Parties, Large Gigs, concerts, productions etc. With my gear, I can scale back and take a Wedding Gig or small party. The chaps here in Houston that do Weddings cannot effectively do the Gigs that I do unless they rent additional equipment and that is cost prohibitive to many. Besides which, many of them would have a difficult time hooking up a complex system.
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I think you should use what you like. If someone is slamming you for your choice of equipment, the best strategy is not to slam someone else..like saying their equipment is for the birds. Your equipment works for you. That's all that really matters. Be happy with that.

But, I do events for 400+ people with no issues whatsoever, so I know that it's possible for light equipment to handle the job very effectively. I'm glad yours is working for you, but mine's working for me(do you notice me not slamming anyone else's choice?) They may be different events that you have. The largest event I've done with my systems is 800. All private events. I don't do clubs. Every club that I know of around here has house sound anyway.

I'm not debating whether my system is better than your system. I really couldn't care less. I really don't know what gigs you typically do outside of some clubs you mention. Even so, your crowds might demand something different than mine do. But, I do believe that you are absolutely wrong that small, simple looking equipment without huge racks cannot be effective. I personally know that not to be the case.
 
There are times big and loud are needed (outdoor shows, large Gyms, dance clubs), and you need the right equipment for that. I have stuff that will make a dent in that world (bi-amped Yorkville u15B, Yorkville UCS1B), but even those aren't enough for big events. The events I do still do are mostly non-profit gigs, so I've decided to scale back and double up on the smaller stuff so I can do those properly and still be able to walk the next day.

The JBL PRX612s I bought are a start, but they're thin in the sound dept., so I need some manageable subs and then maybe something a little bigger, yet lighter than the 81# Unitiies. I like the QSC KW line, but the 15" 2way has a tight horn (60 deg) and the 15" 3way is a bit heavy (85 pounds) to put on a stick and not sure it's tall enough to work over an 18" single. The KW122 looks promising but not sure it would be a big enough jump from the PRX. I'll look around at the others (JTR, Dynacord, etc.) over the next few months.
 
I scaled back my equipment a few years back and I'm happy that I did. My events are not big enough anymore. 2 18" subs with 2 15" tops are used for the 300 guest count. I also use 2 lite RCF passive tops with dual 10" sub for the smaller gigs. So far so good. If I ever need big carnival style sound then I can rent from the Trini's in Brooklyn. Those mofo's love big ass sound.
 
I go back and forth with plans that I have in the works. My Garage is full and I don't want to go back to renting a storage room. If I had the space I would have already finished my 3 way upgrade and added two JBL SRX728s and a couple ITech Amps. With that, I will have more big paying Production Gigs. What you guys may use for 400 people may be sorely inadequate for me here in Houston.
Two weeks ago I went to a Karaoke show. The place holds about 300 people. The KJ was using a small line mixer and two 12" Eons. WTF! I would never do a Show like that with that size of equipment. Some patrons don't know better until they hear better. Once there, they don't want to go back.
I don't always report the Gigs that I do or take pics. Here is one from last Saturday 4/14/2012 This place is a Pub but can hold over 200 people.

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Leave it to Houstonute to bring an Elephant to a dog show. Them boys do like things big in Texas. Just messing with ya!

I understand why you do what you do and I can't knock your game. If I could, I would also. But my big sound days are done until I can find a lucrative market for it.
 
ahoustondj said:
I agree, the lightweight stuff is for the birds. When I can no longer lift the heavy loads I will give up DJing and move on to something else.
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I'm on both sides of the fence on this one I can make lightweight stuff sound real good but to my ears it's never as good as the old birch cabs. I have gear that is lightweight and real heavy stuff and in the end I don't really know if the average client can tell the difference
 
Here's the thing...My main system is JBL JRX Tops and Subs. In alot of places I just use tops because subs would be just overkill. I play in some places that aren't much bigger than a good size basement and I play in some very large venues. For the really large venues I have my CV Quakes if I need them. I also have a Yorkville NX 55 system with a couple of NX 200 subs that I use in venues that are suited and sometimes I just use the tops depending on the size of the venue. It's all about using what is required and having a little extra.

There are no right or wrong awnsers just use what works
 
Damn! We turned MixMasterMachoMachoMan's thread into an all out dick slinging contest..:bzhmm:

As for the original Yamaha question in post #1. I think you made a good choice for your needs. I heard the 12" version tops at the expo in Atlantic City two years ago and they did sound good. Good luck with your purchase MixMasterMachoMachoMan
 
Damn! We turned MixMasterMachoMachoMan's thread into an all out dick slinging contest..:bzhmm:
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Best line in the whole darn thread. I spit ice water on my monitor!

Best,

Paul
 
I didn't mean to turn this thread into a riot. Just wanted to have some fun. I remember one person saying that at certain gigs they don't use a sub because of the size of the room. Let me say this. We did a wedding a few years ago in a Knights Of Columbus Hall where the room was devided because it was a small wedding. We bought the 2 earthquakes and used them. We powered them with a QSC 2450 amp. What we did was to turn the volume down on the amp and make sure it wasn't over bearing. It worked out great. The problem is just because you use a sub doesn't mean you have to push it to the limit to get earth shaking bass. Some think they need to do this to impress the crowd. Let's just push everything to the limit. Sometimes less is more!
 
I did a wedding recently in a multi-room facility. After setting up, i was walking out, I saw another reception set up in a much smaller room, 6 huge speakers, 2 huge subs. 2 truss's with lots of lights. The room had maybe150 seats tightly packed in there. The set up took up half of a small dance floor. For that size room, I would use one tower, would be way more than I need.
 
Scott Hanna said:
I did a wedding recently in a multi-room facility. After setting up, i was walking out, I saw another reception set up in a much smaller room, 6 huge speakers, 2 huge subs. 2 truss's with lots of lights. The room had maybe150 seats tightly packed in there. The set up took up half of a small dance floor. For that size room, I would use one tower, would be way more than I need.
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Scott, I do agree with you, some setups can be overkill. Maybe I used a wrong choice of words when I said "Lightweight is for the birds". What I should have said is that Lightweight does not impress me. Some DJs carry a lot of stuff that is not needed. I,for one, may not need some of the stuff I carry but I have no choice since everything is rack mounted. What am I going to do, remove the equipment from the rack and replace it with Blank Panels? The system design and speakers used gives the rig a special sound. A VocoPro mic plugged into a DJ mixer is not going to give one the same "clarity and body" as a Shure ULX or SLX plugged into a Live Mixer Board with reverb etc.

I believe that the comparison between regular Weddings and Club Gigs/Sound Reinforcement is a mismatch. I have to remember that when I start spouting off. My bad. As long as people are happy with what they have then who cares. ;)
 
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