I think i've decided on the controller i want finally.

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MIXMASTERMACHOM

MIXMASTERMACHOM

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I'm seriously looking to get the Denon DN MC 6000 controller. I was in a bar where i know a dj that brought one and went there to ask a few questions. I wanted to know if this controller had built in effects. It does. It's very compact with a lot of features. I like the wheels on it because they are free spinning. Unlike some others that the wheel is very stiff or doesn't move at all. I like the feel of that kind of wheel. I hate to rely on the play button to setup a mix properly.

My partner brought the NS7. Nice controller but it's way to big to me and for the money it soesn't have a lot of features. I figure for that price they should have added more to it then what it has. It's also not very light either. He loves it but i'm not crazy about it. The wheels were designed for people used to using turntables. I haven't played on turntables in too many years. Not the controller for me. He ask me if i was getting one and i wanted to tell him hell no!

Lastly i was planning on getting the Denon either some time next month or the beginning of December. My plan after that was to sell the 2 CDJ 800's i have along with a Denon X 500 mixer and a Pioneer EFX 500. I'm looking to get $700 for the cd players and mixer. That price includes 2 cases for the cd players. If you want everything that's a firm $900.00 local pickup only. I talked to a friend yesterday that we used to work in the same building and he said he might be interested in getting the cd players and mixer for the $700.00. My plan is to sell the gear and then buy some more lights. Right now we only have 2 lights we can use. I decided to get some more lights and a crank stand to put the lights on. I'll let everyone know how things go.
 
YES! That thing is a BEAST.
If you have any questions on it I would be happy to answer them :)
 
I have used Serato Scratch Live for years. I'm starting to like the idea of a nice light controller instead of lugging 2 stanton's & a mixer. My first thought was getting the Denon DN MC 6000. Then I saw the the VMS4 by American Audio for half the price.

I was reminded of an age old saying "you get what you pay for" this past weekend. It didn't happen with the controller, but it reminded me -don't buy cheap crap.

Here's what happened.

I went to a local music shop to get a fogger. They had one for $20 for small parties, one for $40 medium parties, and a beast that was $150. I chose the $40 one and went to my gig. I should have tested it out first. I could have smoked cigarettes and put out more smoke.

So the moral of the story... I'm back in the market for the Denon DN MC 6000. I don't want to buy the VMS4 and it not do what I need to do.

I need a couple good mic inputs.
I need fast response.
I need something that will last.

My question for you DJ Jynxx is: How is the sound quality of the Denon 6000? And have you used a VMS4?

Thanks guys!
 
I use Serato as well, though I use Itch and not Scratch Live. I reviewed SSL and Itch and for my needs, I had no desire to lug around a mixer, a computer AND turntables (or digital vinyl decks), as you stated earlier. With Itch, I also reviewed the NS7 and the VCI-300. For me, aside from the spinning 'records', the VCI-300 can do everything the NS7 can do - in half the size and half the weight. I've been using it for about 2 years now and I LOVE it! I think the NS7 is a very cool piece of hardware. I don't think 'The wheels were designed for people used to using turntables' - I think it was designed to look like you're using turntables. There is a difference. Like I said, I can do most anything you can do with the NS7 on my VCI-300.

Cost of the VCI-300 (now on it's MKII release) is in the general ballpark of the NS7, but it is the cheaper side of the ballpark (funny how spinning decks add that much to the price huh).

I also firmly believe in Rule #1: You Get What You Pay For

With that said, the VCI-300 and the NS7 are direct competitors and you would be happy with either.
 
How many midi controllers have TWO mic inputs? I see the Numark Mixdeck Express and the American Audio Versadeck both have two,

Any others?
 
The MC6000 has two mic inputs and each has it's own volume, plus 3-band EQ.
The sound quality is great, 24-bit sound, and actually better than any DJ setup I have ever owned (turntables, cd decks, SSL, etc).

I also was a Serato user, and went from turntables to CDJ's, back to turntables, and now to the controller.... and I can not say enough, that I wish I would have had this thing years ago. It is built like a tank. Rubber knobs, smooth sliders and faders, and the wheels are not too heavy nor are they too light. When moving from Serato/TTs to the controller, I also went to VDJ Pro, and it (I HATE to say this, I really do)... it makes serato look basic. Serato does what it does great, but you can do so much more with VDJ that it's really no comparison in terms of overall features. But with things like SSL, you pay a lot for the name. There is a thread on the VDJ boards that I reposted in the FB group about a guy who got turned down for a club gig because they said he used "bedroom dj" software. So if you are hoping to use SSL on the MC6000, sorry. Some people have gotten it to work, but the lights don't work with the current hack that they use.

And no, I have never used a VMS4, but I hear good things about them. If you can, I would go to a local music store (guitar center, etc) and try out whatever they have available. I would put my reputation (which isn't a whole lot, but hey...) on the line and vouch for the 6000. You might also want to look at the NS6 instead of the NS7. It is about the size of the MC6000, and can do most of the things the 6k can do too. From what I have seen in those, it's really a matter of preference and how intuitive you feel the controls are. I DID get a chance to see an NS6 at the same time as the 6k, and I chose the 6k.
 
MIXMASTERMACHOM said:
The American Audio is definately out because it doesn't have any built in effects on the unit. That's a must for me! It keeps me from getting bored while djing.
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But you can always map effects to buttons you don't use. You are going to find that most of these have some basic effects like filter, flanger, etc. but since it is MIDI, you can change any of the buttons to use whatever effects you want,
The MC6000 has 4 effect buttons per channel. I don't even remember what they are because I changed them to effects that would be more useful to me. "cut", which automatically chops the beat up like you were transforming, backspin (with the knob its perfect), doubles (kinda an echo, plays one beat later), and then I kept #4 as the filter.
But then... I didn't use a ton of the buttons, so I mapped those to even more effects. I use the PARAM buttons as the "break" effect, and the knobs with them to control how long or short the break is. All the way right and the "break" sounds like a turntable losing power (slows down reeeeally sloowwww). Then I mapped the "BACK" and "FWD" buttons to "Flanged Echo Out" for each deck. I mapped the "LOAD A" and "LOAD B" buttons as video fader transition from one side to the other, so I don't have to worry about the video fader when I mix videos.
Point is, on *most* of the units, it is super easy to just map whatever effects you want, at least in VDJ it is. And for any Serato users, the only thing I missed at first was the "crates". But you can either transfer your existing SSL crates over (they are already on the list), or you can create virtual folders where you can dump any songs you want in them (JUST like crates), and smart folders that automatically add things based on filters. For example I have a "remixes" folder where I dump all my remixes into (they are scattered all over into their own folders, this puts them all in one place), and I have a "DJ Intro" smart folder that looks for any songs that contain the words "dj intro" in them (my record pool makes a lot of these), and it automatically adds them to the folder every time a new one is added to my computer.
So I guess what I am saying is that you can do anything you want on these units, and in my experience VDJ beats anything else by a mile. Especially when making MIDI maps of your controller. Its super easy to just type in -Deck A effect "break- and have it work. You can also just the "key / action learn" where you push the button/slider/knob you want and then click on the desired result on the screen.

Whatever, I am rambling again. I tend to do that ;)
If you have any more questions about the mc6k, VDJ, or controllers in general, I would be glad to help... obviously lol
 
I recently purchased a Numark Mixtrack Pro and some Mackie Thumps for my personal use and small gigs too and sold all my heavy Peavey equipment and American Audio DP2 and it was the best decision I have made but just wished I would have made it sooner but have not looked back since its great to have real light equipment and set up is so easy too
 
OK, I don't really know what a "thread" is. And I'm terrible with forums. With that being said, please excuse me if I'm going on some uncharted forum territory that I shouldn't go. This has been the most helpful discussion that I've had in purchasing my new controller. I am definitely going with the Denon 6000.

But my new found friend DJSAZON1 brings up the Mackie Thumps. They are like half the price of Normal Mackie Powered speakers.

Right now I have 2 Peavey 115 Loud speakers being pushed by a 1000 watt gig rack. I have one powered JBL subwoofer.
Could you say the Mackie Thumps would be equal to the Peavey 115's?

Again, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong thread :triconfused:
 
Mackie Thumps in wiring and plastic content it might equal. Otherwise they are great boat anchors.
 
If they're the Peavey 115PS's, they're made of wood and ported on the bottom - great speakers!

Love 'em!

Like JT said, the thumps are not near the quality. They're half the price for a reason.
 
ittigger said:
If they're the Peavey 115PS's, they're made of wood and ported on the bottom - great speakers!

Love 'em!

Like JT said, the thumps are not near the quality. They're half the price for a reason.
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My partner brought the Thumps. They are ok. Not what i would have picked but they are a step up from Gemini and Sampson powered speakers. I love either the Mackie SRM 450's, JBL EON's and the QSC powered speakers. I really wish I had the money to get some RCF speakers.

The one good thing about the Thumps is so far the amp doesn't clip.
 
The Mackie Live X are very light and have incredible tone for a really low priced system. The Italian Mackies or USA made are the best with RCF drivers.Now they have Chinese mystery meat drivers and harsh out at mid to high playing type levels. The new Eons are very light I used a pair for a small function a couple weeks ago and they are no better than the cheapest powereds I have witnessed as far as clarity. They are super light though. QSC are heavier but sound nice as a buddy of mine has a pair. The RCF out of that bunch are the only ones that top what I have experienced with the EV Live X sound. They however are more expensive almost double the price of the EVs with two EV Live X 12's and an 18 sub for around the same price as two of the RCF tops.
 
I love my Eon 515xt's every time I have to put them on a stand my back thanks me. I looked at the QSC's as I always loved the amps but the weight vs the EON's sold me on the JBL.
Every time I think back to the old days of dealing with unpowered speakers I cringe at the thought of having to lug that weight around again and try and put them on a stand.
 
Hey BKlyn do you seriously have the new EONS and hoonestly think they share a proper amount of sound? Seriously I agree they are the lightest sounding units in their league but they are near the bottom for sound quality. I have used them most recently and was appalled at the less than appealing sound coverage the eprovided and it was for a small crowd of 60 people. Seriousl y the Behringer sound tons better and even they dont compare to the QSC. Reading your posts in regards to cheap clients kind of rings true to many DJ's who sacrifice quality sound for price and or convenience ala weight etc.
 
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