DJ a gig with your cellphone

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Bill Kexel

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It's becoming easier & easier to be a DJ these days without having to invest big $$ into a large musical library.
Access to 15 million songs, just plug in your cellphone?



LOS ANGELES (AP) — Digital music service Spotify arrived in the United States on Thursday, aiming its addictive, free song service at American listeners in the hope that they will then pay for more features, just as nearly 2 million have done in Europe.

Spotify gives people access to more than 15 million songs on computers for free as long as they listen to a few 15-second ads. It then tries to persuade them to pay $5 a month for a computer-only version that strips out the ads, or $10 a month for one that can be used on mobile devices including iPhones and Android-powered devices.

"The key is to get them invested in the experience," Ken Parks, chief content officer and managing director of Spotify North America, said in an interview. "You spend 1,000 hours in an experience like Spotify building playlists, it sort of becomes part of your life."

"Suddenly the question about whether you pay the equivalent of two or three fancy coffees a month to take that collection on your mobile device becomes a much easier question to answer," he said.

The Swedish company has more than 10 million registered users and 1.6 million paying customers in the United Kingdom, Sweden, Finland, Norway, France, the Netherlands and Spain. It added the United States as its eighth market on Thursday as it launched for invited users in a test period.

Spotify is the latest in an array of companies to offer a subscription music plan with the cooperation of the major music labels. The competing plans include Rhapsody, MOG and Rdio. All offer a $10-a-month plan that allows for unlimited listening to millions of songs and the ability to save songs on phones for playback when outside of cellphone range.

So far, such plans have not been popular enough to reverse a decade-long slide in music sales, which has been mainly caused by piracy.

Last year, revenue from paid subscription plans fell 5 percent from a year earlier to $201 million, even though the number of subscribers grew about 25 percent to 1.5 million, according to the Recording Industry Association of America. Including CD sales, downloads and other forms of music, the value of U.S. music shipments fell 11 percent to $6.85 billion, the RIAA said.

The most popular of the subscription services, Rhapsody, has more than 800,000 paying subscribers.

But none of the existing plans have what Spotify offers: an enticing free service that offers a huge chunk of listening and gets consumers to bond with its interface. Others have trial services that last from a few days to a week.

Pandora, a popular Internet radio service, allows for unlimited free listening to songs with audio ads, but it doesn't allow users to pick specific tracks and its library of songs is far smaller.

On Spotify, European users are allowed to listen for free for 20 hours a month for the first six months, after which their free listening is capped at 10 hours a month with a limit of five plays per song.

Spotify said it will study how U.S. users adopt the service before it decides on free usage caps here.

Parks boasted that the application offered "instantaneous" access to songs with no data buffering. In a brief test of the computer-only application, song plays were extremely snappy.

The program also quickly dug through a user's existing iTunes program to find playlists and identify purchased music and favorites. The interface resembled Apple Inc.'s iTunes program but with less clutter.
 
Look at it this way...if someone starts using it to DJ with...it's still going to be illegal music. They don't own it.
 
Look at it this way...if someone starts using it to DJ with...it's still going to be illegal music. They don't own it.

You don't own the music on your CDs either -- and most have a legal disclaimer that they may not be used for commercial use (read: DJ'ing)... ;)

Not that anybody really gives a hoot though... :D

Spotify is designed for consumer use, and they have a number of legal TOS. I'm guessing they are similar to most other download services -- i.e. Not for commercial use.


As far as I am aware, the only squeeky clean, totally legal way for a DJ to play music, is by using one of the promotional subscription services...
 
Of course this is probably once again a case of "the sky is falling" in regards to the impact on DJs.
 
Look at it this way...if someone starts using it to DJ with...it's still going to be illegal music. They don't own it.

Honestly, have you, ever even once, gotten the slightest bit of concern from a prospective client when you used the "illegal music" pitch? I sure haven't. There's one message that services like spotify should be screaming to our more "purist-audio-only" brethren.........you better diversify your services...........
 
Honestly, have you, ever even once, gotten the slightest bit of concern from a prospective client when you used the "illegal music" pitch? I sure haven't. There's one message that services like spotify should be screaming to our more "purist-audio-only" brethren.........you better diversify your services...........

Well, seeing as I've never bothered with the legal music approach in any of my sales, I can't say that I've ever seen any reaction. :tribiggrin:

As for it screaming for some folks to diversify their services; sorry, I'm not buying it.

This is the same battle that has been going on for the past two decades now. Yes you have access to a ton of music...whoopie....but the question is do you actually know what you're doing.

Just remember...lighting and other services don't do much good if the music sucks.
 
Hey....i can do a full gig from my iphone.....but why would i want to? Could you imagine.....a phone connected to speakers....talk about easy load in...but man....let's keep it real.

we've used this idea with the Sound Company...
we occasionally need background music for the KIDS AREA...
and dont really have the need to do a full blown DJ setup.
We put on an appropriate Pandora type channel and walk away

But remember, we all worried about the "dual I-pod setup" when it first came out...
but they never turned into a real threat.
I don't even hear much about the dreaded IPod Wedding any more.
 
Yes but if I'm putting out good music and have lighting in my bag........guess who loses out on the contract?

That all depends on the client. A DJ's personality is what sells them, not the gear they own.
 
I agree with J Mac. As long as you are a great performer you will be hired consistantly. If you are a plug and play dj, you should find another job.

I would use my phone as a back up if I had bo choice. I keep a couple of my personal mix sets in it.
 
I agree with J Mac. As long as you are a great performer you will be hired consistantly. If you are a plug and play dj, you should find another job.

I would use my phone as a back up if I had bo choice. I keep a couple of my personal mix sets in it.

I actually know a DJ that has over 12,000 songs stored on his cellphone.
But this topic deals with a music service where you don't actually own the music, but for $10 (or so) per month, you can access any title you want.

It makes it much easier to get into the DJ business compared to the old days of going to the record store & buying armloads of records.
 
I actually know a DJ that has over 12,000 songs stored on his cellphone.
But this topic deals with a music service where you don't actually own the music, but for $10 (or so) per month, you can access any title you want.

It makes it much easier to get into the DJ business compared to the old days of going to the record store & buying armloads of records.


It may be easier to get into it -- but that does not mean they will be successful...


If you're like me, and spent hours a day in record stores, year after year, searching for just the right tunes (and what you could afford that week) -- you know that you came to know and love those tunes -- you play them hundreds of times. You spent the money that most people would of spent at a bar, to do what you love. You'll know immediately in your head, what songs will go together. You even have the lyrics to those songs in yer head. We do it unconsciously.

There's more to it then the personality or the size of the collection -- it's the art of knowing your music. That doesn't just mean BPM, but it means content as well. If you've got a groove going in the place, it may very well be because of the content, and we know how to flow with that.

Therein comes the art of reading the crowd, and knowing whether they are grooving to the content, or just the beat. I've seen DJs rock the dancefloor all night long with the young folks at a wedding, but they ignored the nice middle aged guy, that just wanted to shine buckles with his wife to After The Lovin'. If you can't read that, and make that moment happen at the right time, and bring the whole crowd into it -- you got nothing.

Our only competition, is those that can do all of the above better. And there's always somebody better -- that's why we work harder... :)
 
You don't own the music on your CDs either -- and most have a legal disclaimer that they may not be used for commercial use (read: DJ'ing)... ;)

You do own the cd, which allows you to play the music. You just don't have unlimited rights to use the song any way you choose. When it says it can't be used for commercial use, I take that to mean any public performance needs to have the proper licensing, as the music from a purchased CD or digital download does not give anyone the proper licensing. In the US, the VENUE needs to acquire the licensing, not the DJ...unless they are one and the same.


When J Mac said "you don't own it", I was looking at it differently. I thought he meant physically "owning the song" ....as I've purchased the song and "it's in my CD collection or an unrestricted mp3 in my computer. I don't want to rely on a service like this because I can see some record companies pulling their stuff at any time or killing the service and I don't want to find out that I can't play that song any more
 
You do own the cd, which allows you to play the music. You just don't have unlimited rights to use the song any way you choose. When it says it can't be used for commercial use, I take that to mean any public performance needs to have the proper licensing, as the music from a purchased CD or digital download does not give anyone the proper licensing. In the US, the VENUE needs to acquire the licensing, not the DJ...unless they are one and the same.


When J Mac said "you don't own it", I was looking at it differently. I thought he meant physically "owning the song" ....as I've purchased the song and "it's in my CD collection or an unrestricted mp3 in my computer. I don't want to rely on a service like this because I can see some record companies pulling their stuff at any time or killing the service and I don't want to find out that I can't play that song any more

I probably should have been a little more clear in my post, but Scott has it right. When we purchase the cd, we own the cd and the songs on said cd. When we download a song we own that copy of the file. Something like this, we never own anything.
 
I probably should have been a little more clear in my post, but Scott has it right. When we purchase the cd, we own the cd and the songs on said cd. When we download a song we own that copy of the file. Something like this, we never own anything.

Technically speaking, you can never own a song -- you only own the plastic disc. By purchasing said plastic disc, you are entitled to limited rights to listen to said songs on the disc. The copyright owner, is the only one that actually owns the song (same with software, BTW).

The problem I see with these types of services, is that the service is licensed based (basically what Scott said) -- meaning that if something happens, and your license doesn't validate -- yer SOL.


Again, it's a consumer based service, and not something a working pro would use (at least I wouldn't)...
 
Outside of the ownership issues, I think that if they make an app that pitches and allows you to beatmix and cue up two tracks at a time, then we've got some trouble.

SANITY CHECK:

a Single cell phone is still only going to play one song at a time....right? Still gotta do something with it that makes sense, right?

And still gotta cue up something that works with it, right?

And you will still have to change directions go right or left to go where the crowd wants you to go, right? Not seeing the flexibility.

Access is one thing, useability, I think is the more crucial factor. A huge library doesn't compare to the ability to pick the right song at the right time. It's a storage device. Someone with talent still has to make it work...right?

Just sayin:)
 
I think that apps like Pandora and this Spotify will raise the expectations bar for DJs, just like iPods, satellite radio & jukeboxes. 'Regular' folks having access to this scale of library will be able to make better playlists than before for personal use. Some of them will probably become proper DJs eventually. Meanwhile, those same people will not be as impressed by a DJ simply playing a song they like. They will still appreciate (maybe more so?) a good DJ playing a string of perfect-for-the-moment tracks, mixing, level matching, and generally being in complete control of the music.

Furthermore, it's gonna be a pretty big cellphone that has balanced 1/4" or XLR outputs or even RCA for that matter :p A smart phone is better at calling people than any DJ mixer I've ever heard of. A DJ mixer is better for spinning tracks than any smart phone I've ever heard of. This could be a workable emergency backup though, and a great way to browse for new music ideas!