Some people just don't get it...

[jokerswild]

Tsk Tsk Tsk... Rick... who said anything about making fools of themselves or not knowing how to party.... just ask Keith and Randy how well our people partied... and we did have some good singers....

The simple fact is we are in the entertainment business... part of that entertainment can be the guests being the star of the show... it doesn't always have to revolve around a good back beat everyone can dance to... sometimes it's that song old dude sang that makes the evening... YMMV

 

[jokerswild]

I dj for more than food stamps lol, no if it works ok, but its ya thing do what ya wanna I cant tell ya !!!!!!

I wonder.... how does karaoke equate to doing events for food stamps????? Really I'm scratching my head on that one.

 

[JPDJSC50]

im just kidding ya but if I wanna hear somebody sing Ill go to a concert and I'm not a singer, just saying

 

[SoftJock Rick]

Tsk Tsk Tsk... Rick... who said anything about making fools of themselves or not knowing how to party.... just ask Keith and Randy how well our people partied...

You want me to ask two other corn huskers... :sqerr:


I'll tell you what -- come do a wedding here in NY town, and let's see how that flies...

I'm not busting on you guys (not too much anyway), but things are different in different places. There's a damn fine chance, that if you started doing kroakie in one of our venues here during a wedding, that you'd get hummed out the door by Uncle Vinny and his pals...

 

[jokerswild]

You want me to ask two other corn huskers... :sqerr:


I'll tell you what -- come do a wedding here in NY town, and let's see how that flies... Sure thing, as long as karaoke is what the client has hired me for I'd be more than glad to show you how to party Midwest style...

I'm not busting on you guys (not too much anyway), but things are different in different places. There's a damn fine chance, that if you started doing kroakie in one of our venues here during a wedding, that you'd get hummed out the door by Uncle Vinny and his pals...

It's pretty simple if a client has paid for it and want it, who am I to argue? They know their guests better than I and if they think they will enjoy a round or two of karaoke I'm all to happy to provide it to them....

 

[JPDJSC50]

all kidding aside i tell em they got this new show called American idol , The Voice and all that other crap,, Krokie dont fly in weddings or partays around here either, Rick do you know Angel Rissoff a singer/artist that lives in Brooklyn old school singer,,

 

[Jeff Romard]

What your recent entree in the constant provision of free dj services creates, in a similar fashion to the bottom feeding leeches that willingly poison the well, is an unhealthy expectation of the craft's market value and diluting the worth as perceived by the consuming public. Particularly as it relates to newer, struggling, and developing legitimate companies. Simply restated, "You are likely hurting, with greater impact, the new and smaller guys."

Such activity, if done with frequency and regularity, unnaturally lowers the floor for all compensation. It doesn't necessarily do so but it has clear capacity and obvious ability to, at the very least, facilitate that devaluation.

Furthermore, it is a rarity when an regularly and deliberately uncompensated provider of a valuable service delivers at a level that promotes the craft rather than meets some "less than" or minimal standard. There are indications in your story that suggest just such a result.

Opinions will vary but that is mine.

I have to disagree with you Rox especially in this case. The odds are good if Tommy didn't play this event no one would and having an experienced DJ for free would help this business more than hurt it in the fact that the other option would be an Ipod

 

[SoftJock Rick]

all kidding aside i tell em they got this new show called American idol , The Voice and all that other crap,, Krokie dont fly in weddings or partays around here either, Rick do you know Angel Rissoff a singer/artist that lives in Brooklyn old school singer,,

Nah, I'm almost 50 miles from Brooklyn, and don't get a chance to go downtown much anymore. I live in the suburban sprawl zone, where everybody that works downtown lives, and commutes to work.

30 years ago, Rob's thing would have worked, but now the people that have moved up from the city, are the city -- they just brought it to the country.

Other than a few more trees, and the Hudson being a little wider, there's little difference between here and 42nd St. -- except we have a higher crime rate...

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

No one is suggesting that anyone "measure their lives in dollars and cents" and it is undeniable that charity is absolutely an honorable and commendable undertaking.

What your recent entree in the constant provision of free dj services creates, in a similar fashion to the bottom feeding leeches that willingly poison the well, is an unhealthy expectation of the craft's market value and diluting the worth as perceived by the consuming public. Particularly as it relates to newer, struggling, and developing legitimate companies. Simply restated, "You are likely hurting, with greater impact, the new and smaller guys."

First you say that volunteering for charity is a good thing then you compare me to a leech for doing just that.

The whole point of this picnic is to raise money for this camp. The whole point of the camp is to give kids that would not normally get an opportunity to camp because of their economic situation or even genetic situation (a.k.a. special) a chance to do that.

A DJ may have charged $400 to $600 for this event; the one in 2009 charged $400. That's $400 that did not go to making the camp better or to repairs. From what I understand, the one in 2009 stunk and I am being kind about it.

Sure, I may bitch and complain about people not getting it at these events but I will not stop doing them for what I perceive as a worthy cause. Why should my organization pay for these services when I have the skill set to provide them? That way the money that would have gone to pay for the services can be put to better use.

Such activity, if done with frequency and regularity, unnaturally lowers the floor for all compensation. It doesn't necessarily do so but it has clear capacity and obvious ability to, at the very least, facilitate that devaluation.

Well, I have heard time and time again from many DJs on this very board that they would not take on such events for fees that these types of organizations are able to pay. So, if no DJs are willing to take it on then who am I hurting?

Furthermore, it is a rarity when an regularly and deliberately uncompensated provider of a valuable service delivers at a level that promotes the craft rather than meets some "less than" or minimal standard. There are indications in your story that suggest just such a result.

Call me Mr. Rarity!!! As indicated, I may bitch and complain but I don't drop the standards. Bitching and complaining is letting of steam for me.

Opinions will vary but that is mine.

Opinions are like rectums, everybody has one and most of the time they are worth just what was paid for them. And that is my opinion.

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

Tom - So you're saying that since the "city kids" were in the minority, they shouldn't have been allowed the same benefit of music they enjoy which the majority "country kids" got... Why should their wishes (the minority's) be completely negated in favor of the many? Is there no room for a 2 or 3 song set of top 40 music for those who might enjoy it?

This is my second year doing this event and it is still a learning experience but experience is showing that Top 40 just does not work here; even for one song. I think that it is a situation where the rural folks have moved out into the sticks to get away from the city and keep having the city intrude into their lives through urban sprawl and they associate Top 40 with the city they are trying to get away from. I can relate to that to a point.

So, sorry city kids, if you want to listen to Top 40 then you need to go elsewhere.

I get donating "from the heart" very well... I do so for 3 or 4 events a year for organizations that are near and dear to me without thought to monetary compensation. HOWEVER, at such time as I am spoken to disrespectfully (as you were by the "gentleman" who took such great offense at the playing of a SINGLE song that fell outside of the genre he personally enjoyed), I am more than happy to remind the offending buffoon that I am indeed VOLUNTEERING my services, and that I am sure that there are other charities that would appreciate my donation if my efforts are not currently being appreciated... I take disrespect from others very personally, and do not suffer fools gladly...

Oh, I did remind him. I just don't think the alcohol in his bloodstream let him acknowledge it.

 

[djrox]

I have to disagree with you Rox...

I'm shocked...

The odds are good if Tommy didn't play this event no one would

Certainly not if they have been conditioned to get it for free.

P.S. They actually paid someone in 2009 and presumably in 2010. (See Mr. Rarity's Post #29:triwink

What they clearly didn't get in those circumstances, was a service and performance that created any sense of value.

Care to discuss some possible reasons why?

and having an experienced DJ for free would help this business more than hurt it

How?

in the fact that the other option would be an Ipod

That is only one option.

First you say that volunteering for charity is a good thing then you compare me to a leech for doing just that.

What I wrote was "What your recent entree in the constant provision of free dj services creates."

That does not equate to a wholesale indictment of charity.

The whole point of this picnic is to raise money for this camp. The whole point of the camp is to give kids that would not normally get an opportunity to camp because of their economic situation or even genetic situation (a.k.a. special) a chance to do that.

Sounds like a very worthy cause and Kudos for your generosity.

A DJ may have charged $400 to $600 for this event; the one in 2009 charged $400. That's $400 that did not go to making the camp better or to repairs. From what I understand, the one in 2009 stunk and I am being kind about it.

A professional, talented, and compensated MC and entertainer can generate interest, add greatly to the event value and actually INCREASE event proceeds. I have been directly told such by fund raising event coordinators...in thank you notes.

Sure, I may bitch and complain about people not getting it at these events but I will not stop doing them for what I perceive as a worthy cause.

I hope, for your own peace, you can find a reason to stop birching because you seem to have an endless supply of free events.

Why should my organization pay for these services when I have the skill set to provide them? That way the money that would have gone to pay for the services can be put to better use.

That is certainly one way to look at it.

Here is another:
Professional, talented, effective and compensated MCs and entertainers actually generate interest, add value to the event and effectively INCREASE event proceeds.

Those are two clearly different mindsets.

Well, I have heard time and time again from many DJs on this very board that they would not take on such events for fees that these types of organizations are able to pay. So, if no DJs are willing to take it on then who am I hurting?

Depends...

Call me Mr. Rarity!!!

You are Mr. Rarity. (Glad to help, good luck with your new tag)

Opinions are like rectums, everybody has one and most of the time they are worth just what was paid for them.

Nice effort but the change didn't make the original quote better nor seem to make sense.

Original:
"Excuses are are like azzholes, everybody's got one"

"Opinion" Alternate #1:
"Opinions are like azzholes. Everybody's got one."

"Opinion" Alternate #2 (from The Dead Pool):
"Opinions are like azzholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks."

Alternate #2 (My favorite)
"Opinions are like azzholes. Everybody has one but no one truly cares to hear yours."

 

[Jon Tuck]

my question or concern had no weight but who cares here we go again. Your title implies someone else is an idiot or doesnt get it. I would consider saying to the city folks and their kids you are not invited. One other thing to keep confusion out of the event per your title I would not play one more karaoke song even if it was Obamas Child crying. Sorry but statements such as if the city kids want top 40 they can go somewhere else and other comments sounds a bit prejudice to me.So this event was only for the country kids not the city ones why in the world were they even invited then? I suggest next time to check ideas, get PO codes and turn them away if they are not from the exclusive area. You also might question them with their legs and arms spread and wall asking them what kind of music they like. Then give them the boot. Those black military steel toed boots.

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

P.S. They actually paid someone in 2009 and presumably in 2010. (See Mr. Rarity's Post #29:triwink

Wrong presumption... I did it last year and this year.

What they clearly didn't get in those circumstances, was a service and performance that created any sense of value.

It depends on your definition of value. I delared the value at $800 for the charity report.

A professional, talented, and compensated MC and entertainer can generate interest, add greatly to the event value and actually INCREASE event proceeds.

I did! Attendance was up by 20% of last year. People liked the music and karaoke and told their friends.

my question or concern had no weight but who cares here we go again. Your title implies someone else is an idiot or doesnt get it. I would consider saying to the city folks and their kids you are not invited. One other thing to keep confusion out of the event per your title I would not play one more karaoke song even if it was Obamas Child crying. Sorry but statements such as if the city kids want top 40 they can go somewhere else and other comments sounds a bit prejudice to me.So this event was only for the country kids not the city ones why in the world were they even invited then? I suggest next time to check ideas, get PO codes and turn them away if they are not from the exclusive area. You also might question them with their legs and arms spread and wall asking them what kind of music they like. Then give them the boot. Those black military steel toed boots.

Jon didn't get it either.

Folks, if you do have some positive input in regard to making this worthy endeavor better next year, please feel free to chime in. BTW, I still won't charge for it and i have been invited back.

 

[Jon Tuck]

I made suggestions Thom. Simply dont allow the city kids to attend. Dont play another karaoke song ever if you announce its finished. Those were your complaints or issues I addressed them. Or you could go to plan B add top 40 play karaoke throughout the duration and when the few asshats who complain about Rihanna being sung put on thos same black military steel toed boots and take care of the whiners with fury.

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

Simply dont allow the city kids to attend.

That is not in my control.

Dont play another karaoke song ever if you announce its finished.

That is and next year grandpa will just have to put up with his bawling grandkid.

Or you could go to plan B add top 40 play karaoke throughout the duration.

99% of the attendees don't want Top 40. So Top 40 ain't happening unless it CW or Southern Rock.

When the few asshats who complain about Rihanna being sung put on thos same black military steel toed boots and take care of the whiners with fury.

You are more than welcome to come to the picnic and do that,

 

[Proformance]

What I get from this thread is that once again Tom is feeling unappreciated.

I like orange juice. However, I never make fresh squeezed becuase, the yield from any single orange never lives up to the effort.

The reward from DJing is not in the gig. It's not even necessary that the audience
"gets it." The answer is choosing too get your juice in a more substantial form.

A few things to consider and simply accept:

There is no point in polishing sneakers.
Trees don't care that you rake up the leaves.
The tide comes and goes even when you're not looking.
All roads leaving the Elks club lead back to the Elks club. and that's okay.

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

But Bob, why is there always at least one azzhat? I was having a good time until then.

 

[djrox]

Wrong presumption... I did it last year and this year.

I misread the post, sorry...any idea what happened in, 07, 08 and prior?

It depends on your definition of value. I delared the value at $800 for the charity report.

Some folks don't get it, because they continue to measure value in dollars and cents.

I did! Attendance was up by 20% of last year. People liked the music and karaoke and told their friends.

Kudos!

Folks, if you do have some positive input in regard to making this worthy endeavor better next year, please feel free to chime in. BTW, I still won't charge for it and i have been invited back.

Imagine how utterly horrible you'd have to be to NOT get an invitation to provide another freebie for an organization to which you have membership.

Tom, YOU still are NOT GETTING IT!

99% of the attendees don't want Top 40. So Top 40 ain't happening unless it CW or Southern Rock.

Are you sure it is not simply and actually only 100% of the complainers?

We can't get 99% of any group to agree on treating known terrorists in kind yet you some how have determined your audience is in complete agreement regarding music.

 

[SemiRetired DJ]

I misread the post, sorry...any idea what happened in, 07, 08 and prior?.

They had the same DJ for five years that I know of before the guy in 2009. He was not an Elk and he was paid. The only reason why they changed was his unavailability. He went out of business in late 2009 or they probably would have gone back to him.

The need for a DJ was brought to the camp BOD and my lodge's rep asked me and asked me how much I would charge. I did say that my charge would be $600 but that would be donated back to the camp.

This year it was $800. No checks were written either time but the value was recorded on the charity report that is done for the event.

Imagine how utterly horrible you'd have to be to NOT get an invitation to provide another freebie for an organization to which you have membership.

Tom, YOU still are NOT GETTING IT!

Rockie, there is a dollar value offered each year and I just don't collect it. So, is that still a freebie?

Are you sure it is not simply and actually only 100% of the complainers?

We can't get 99% of any group to agree on treating known terrorists in kind yet you some how have determined your audience is in complete agreement regarding music.

Just looking around and throwing out a few test songs tells me what the majority wants.

 

[JoeChartreuse]

This was no knock on karaoke. The kids and adults had a good time but I also had other things queued up. 1 to 4 with breaks in between is long enough for this type of event.

Next year I will make sure that there is a clear schedule and will tell them no hip hop or rap period.

BTW, got laid the other day. That ain't the problem.

Aw look! Dan fixes it so I can get back on using the quick version of the forum software, and you guys start a karaoke thread just for me ;-) (quick version has no emoticons).

Anyway, TELLING people that they can't sing certain songs that you HAVE can make you look bad. If you don't want Rap or Hip Hop to be done, make some books with those genres deleted. Then you can simply say that you don't have it. Just a thought....